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[Celeon999]

Video (Available in HD !)

Thought this might be something for you

I see you use one of our camo sheet sets for the Leo. Beside Switzerland your the only one who seem to ever cared about them

[Kaleun1961]

Thanks very much for that, Celeon. Sad to say, the only place I've ever seen one of our modern tanks is on TV. It's a pretty big country, but I know they are here somewhere.

Elmer Fudd voice:

"Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting Weopards!"

[Scape_G]

Originally posted by Celeon999:
Beside Switzerland your the only one who seem to ever cared about them

Lies!!

[Celeon999]

Originally posted by Scape_G:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Beside Switzerland your the only one who seem to ever cared about them

Lies!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, ok maybe the swedes use them aswell

We certainly use parts of them and add the classic version for the rest

Remember the Tiger haystack from Band of Brothers

Celeon is a big fan of camouflage measures. There is so much you can do with so little effort

[Kaleun1961]

The trick with camo is not to overdo it. Some guys in my unit used to overdo it and you could pick them out. They'd be the only "tree" in a field, or the darkest clump in a treeline; that sort of thing. The idea is to break up the outline of what you are trying to hide, so that the eye skips over it as it scans.

[Celeon999]

Exactly. The most important things is to break up common shapes.

For a tank , the edges of the turret and chassis and most of all the gun are the important visual lines that need to loose their distinctive visual form that does not fit to natural surroundings. Especially the horizontal lines of the gun need to be broken up.

Horizontal grown trees are very rare.

Sharp edges and flat surfaces are also a problem, at least in natural surroundings while in urban areas round edges do not fit to the surroundings and you want edges and lots of straight lines.



This is a experimental camo sheme for urban areas with large rectangles and lots of straight lines.



Here you can recognize the idea behind the straight lines and the chosen colors




This is a well done camo that eleminates almost all sharp shapes. The weapon still needs some twigs. Drive it among some bushes near a treeline and will blend in perfectly.





This one on the other hand is dutch.

.... And therefore , just as on the football field, a totally useless attention seeker.

[Kaleun1961]

Let's try this again. I had composed a lengthy reply, complete with links, only to lose the whole thing in a Ubiblackhole.

I had copied and pasted the whole thing to my clipboard, then at the last second I copied and pasted one last link and then forgot to backup the whole post. That really burns my tailpipe. Let's try this again:

The modern art of camouflage is about to be radically changed by the new science of nanotechnology. This involves the manipulation of "stuff" on the molecular level. Remember the Arnold Schwarzenegger film, "Predator?" The creature in that film used a camouflage technology that made it essentially invisible. At the time of the film's release, this sort of thing was science fiction. Now, it is no longer as incredible as it seemed back then. Scientists are now working on nanotechnology to develop all manner of new chemicals and devices, including BDUs, or battle dress uniforms, that change colour by themselves to match their current environment. For example, if a soldier walked through an urban environment, the uniform would blend in with the street and buildings. As soon as he stepped into a treeline, the uniform would change colour to match the foliage of the woods. I would not be surprised to see these uniforms introduced within a few years.

Nanotechnology - Wiki

In an earlier post I mentioned the Russian word, maskirovka. Although this is commonly thought of as camouflage, it can involve more than that. Maskirovka is an art that can be applied from the tactical level, right up through operational and strategic execution. A Russian infantry squad or a tank, for example, would dig in to a new position and camouflage itself to match its environment. The Russians were very adept at this and could hide whole battalions as close as a hundred metres from a German line and not be visible. On the operational level, they could hide entire divisions, armies and army groups. Two examples of this are their deceptions prior to "Uranus" at Stalingrad and "Bagration", their summer offensive in 1944 aimed at Army Group Center. In both of these operations, the Red Army was able to move up, deploy and conceal divisions and armies, and the supplies they would need for their imminent offensive operations. At Stalingrad they tore holes on both sides of 6th Army that were hundreds of kilometres in length, encircling and finally crushing the trapped army. In Bagration, they were also able to spring a strategic surprise on the Germans. From positions just south of Leningrad, extending on an angle towards the central city of Vitebsk and extending further south, they launched an offensive that destroyed 28 of the 34 divisions of Army Group Center. Over 300,000 Germans were lost, a toll greater than at Stalingrad and the Russians recaptured Byelorussia, bringing them to the borders of Poland. Bagration began on the third anniversay of Barbarossa, the German attack on Russia, June 22, 1941. It ran until August 29, 1944. During this time the Germans were pre-occupied with the Allied landings and breakout in Normandy. Hitler and OKW must have been tearing their hair out as a result of these two massive hammer blows and the after effects of the July 20th bomb plot.

On the strategic level, maskirovka can cover the development and deployment of entirely new weapons and/or grand deception schemes. In 1962, the Russians were able to sneak missiles into Cuba, capable of launching nuclear warheads onto the eastern shoreline of America. Their maskirovka was not quite perfect and their deployment was detected by U2 spyplane flights. Recent reports indicate that the Americans had not detected all of the missiles and that a few of them had become operational. If these reports are true, and the Americans had launched a pre-emptive strike, those particular missiles could have been used in a counterstrike, and that could have set off a nuclear exchange. Who knows how close we came to nuclear disaster?

Operation Uranus

Maskirovka and Bagration

Operation Bagration

The enormous success of Bagration was due to three factors: 1) superior Red Army forces, 2) deception, and 3) Allied ground operations in Italy and France and air operations over the Reich which made it impossible for the Wehrmact and Luftwaffe to concentrate its forces.

For an excellent book detailing Bagration, I recommend "Hitler's Greatest Defeat" by Paul Adair. ISBN: 1-898800-07-3

[nelson92506]

"Let's try this again. I had composed a lengthy reply, complete with links, only to lose the whole thing in a Ubiblackhole.

I had copied and pasted the whole thing to my clipboard, then at the last second I copied and pasted one last link and then forgot to backup the whole post. That really burns my tailpipe. Let's try this again:"

I couldn't help but laugh a little when I read the above. It has happened to me more times than I care to remember. The last time it happened to me, I posted my frustration and a warning to others:


Posted Tue January 19 2010 19:30

NEVER, EVER, attempt to post your reply to these forums without first having saved the contents of your reply to the windows clipboard or a word document! You WILL regret it if you don't. It will vanish into the ether. It surely is a sign of my stupidity that I have to be taught this lesson again and again. There really needs to be a warning placed next to the "Post Now" button. I'm not kidding!


I wonder how many great patrol reports have been lost in similar catastrophies. The author slaves for hours describing the action and posting links to screenshots. Then it is all lost due to a simple oversight of not backing it up to the clipboard before hitting the "post now" button. I'll bet that quite a few authors loose heart and don't rebuild their attempted post. And for those that do, I'll bet the second attempt is a pale version of their first endeavor. Ubisoft should place a warning next to the "post now" button. It should remind people to copy the contents of their post to the clipboard before they hit the "post now" button. If things go badly, as they often do, the post can be recovered from the clipboard. Another attempt at uploading can then be made.

[Celeon999]

@ Kaleun

You're certainly not the only one who had that happen to him.

Luckily it happens rarely but somehow always when one writes a real long post with lots of links.

To the topic of nanotechnology : LINK

Today a small bump in a gold plate , tomorrow we hide our entire government debt with it.


BTW :

Ive read that Canada is looking for 108 new infantry fighting vehicles to accompany their newly aquired Leopard's.

Seems that the brand new Puma is among the final candidates.

Its seems that the manufacturer (KMW which also builds the Leopard 2) also entered the u.s GCV competition with it as it not just matches but exceeds the requirements in most aspects.

Although its chances seem rather slim, mainly because of its rather big price tag, i wonder if Canada may choose it nonetheless. Because of all that KMW maintenance equipment and knowhow it already possesses.

Its full of hi-tech gizmos and has an extremely thick armor and unusually powerful engine for a IFV.

Thats were the money for the Leopard 3 went after 1995.

[Kaleun1961]

I'd love to see us acquire these Pumas. The Germans always make nice armour named after felines. Tigers, Panthers, Leopards, Lynx... all good in their day.

I'm still playing "Steel Panthers: World at War" on my laptop. Usually I play as the Germans; it seems that their army is the most fun to use as a gamer. I build my "kampfgruppe" around a core of armoured cars for recon and a few medium platoons, with one platoon of support tanks. Add to that a few platoons of panzergrenadiers, some dedicated AT and flak guns and I'm all set. I usually start in September 1939, when my kampfgruppe is called upon to repel the Polish aggressor, then when I am done with them, I rush to the western front to repel the Franco-Anglo aggressors, then either move to Africa for a spell, then transfer to the eastern front to repel the Bolshevik aggressors.

The Puma armoured car is my favourite recon vehicle, but of course, it is not available in 1939. Until it becomes available, I make do with the Sdkfz 8-rad. But I love the Puma. Armed with a 75mm long gun, it is fast enough for quick, deep probes, and has a big enough set of claws to tangle with a T-34 should it suddenly bump into trouble.

If the Germans name something after a cat, you'd best steer clear of it.