Originally posted by maxpontiac:
1 - Agreed. But given the right scenerio, a P-51 Mustang could even have it's gun sights on your F-14. It proves nothing. Yet the Anti-Raptor-Crowd cling to this like an ace up their clueless sleeve.
2 - Speculation. No one knows what would have happened IF that was real gun fire. Speaking of flying without a wing, did you ever see the 3 winged Eagle? Amazing. Flying without a wing is possible, although improbable.
3-5 - This is where doing proper research pays off, Tomcatter. Pick a Red Flag Exercise in which the Raptor was featured and I will tell you how many Raptors were there, what there job was, and what the Red and Blue teams were allowed to do. In all likelihood (as is nearly all cases), the Raptors were flying in a 8 to 14 ship contingent, while being severely outnumbered.
6 - Please. You came into this thread, posted a pic of a "simulated" WVR lock on the F-22, and posted on how the USAF just lost 137.5 million. You then play down the significance of the Raptors exercise dominance.
Bonus - If common sense does not apply to you in regards to the F-22, we can take this to a scientific level, and use real world physics and data on lets say, the F-22 versus the F-14.
Bonus 2 - Perhaps I could post quotes from Generals, aviation experts, and Pilots (US and Foreign) alike when it comes this aircraft and what it is capable of.
We have had a discussion similar to this in the past, and for whatever reason, you continue not to embrace the Raptor for what it's worth. This tells me you are either very young and ignorant, or old and stubborn. Perhaps it's neither, and you just like to argue, albeit in a losing cause.