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[AMuppetMatt]

This is kind of a compilation of a number of things mentioned in other threads and my thoughts, I originally thought about putting this in the theories thread... but A) I couldn't find it and B) It wasn't really going to be a theory, it's more of a compilation of my thoughts.

First off, I'm starting my third runthrough of ACB and I'm desperately looking out for some hints, ANY hints or suggestions as to what's occurring in modern day times or what will happen. And... things just aren't adding up. We break out of Abstergo on something like the 7th of September (Can't remember the exact date but it's deffo early September). We were in the hideout for 2 maybe 3 days max (even though Desmond only had one sleep, I'm assuming he worked 24 hours straight for at least one session, I'm trying to give as much time possible here) before the Templars find us. Allow for one, maybe two days on the road to get to Monteriggioni and you would expect the date to be something like the 12th to the 14th. If I remember right the date on the first Email is something like the 18th to the 19th. Remember I'm trying to be as generous with time as possible here, trying to make up for as much time as I can... and we're short a week (This WAS highlighted to me by another poster in a thread, well spotted sir ). Unless the new DLC covers that week, we're missing a week in time. Where's it gone?

I noticed this on my second runthrough and again with the third and I'm not sure how much significance it holds: When you get out of the van in Monteriggioni there's a cutscene where you and "the gang" talk for a bit before wandering off to whatever the next bit is. At the end of this cutscene the camera holds over the animus for a bit... a little bit like in the movies where the camera holds over the badguy to say "This is the bad guy... look how suspicious the camera position is and makes this seemingly neutral character appear". There's been a lot of talk about an Inception style thing of it's just a dream or that you're viewing Desmond's memories in a future animus... I'm not rolling with that as it seems a little bit... contrived? Stupid? I dunno... but I think that the camera there suggests that maybe reality isn't entirely... reality.

In AC2 in the hideout the computers have an Absetergo symbol on them. Granted I read an explanation months back that you can attribute that to the memory core that Lucy gives Rebecca... so I looked out for it. Checked out the cutscene where Lucy gives Rebecca the core. Abstergo symbol is already there. Now granted that could be an oversight by the
Devs and I don't wanna jump to conclusions (mainly cause I don't have any ) but if that isn't an oversight then that suggests... well I'm not 100% sure... maybe someone else can form an educated response

"Unless we're all in a dream right now..." final words to the ACB Database entry on Ezio at the very beginning of the game. This is further making me wonder about how much of ACB is real.

Brotherhood's ending was too... neat? 72 days until Satellite launch, 72 names of God, being able to find Juno's tomb so easily. It doesn't seem to fit with how the rest of AC has been. Nothing's that easy (other than the gameplay ), why is this pivotal moment so different?

The Red trail. [Forum discussion]( http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/3271027009 )
It's not there at the beginning of the game or the very end, it's just... there. There's no doubting it appears to be a double helix from above, and there's no doubt it appears to be footprints that appear/dissapear into the grating below the Villa. Who made them, how and why? Normally Eagle vision only shows what's there, not what's been. The only time a trail appears and remains there (other than the 5 metres we get behind a target in the animus) so far in our experience has been with blood. But no-one can bleed like that... can they? The only OTHER time we've seen red symbols that stay there in the form of cryptic shapes is in the animus and subject 16s glyphs. To me (coupled with a couple of other things I've highlighted above) this suggests that we're still IN the animus. But the moment I suggest this more questions than answers arise. This is why I didn't want to put it in the theories thread. I haven no theory, I don't think we are.

There are other bits that don't seem right too, but I can't remember them all. It all occurs in various conversations with Shaun, Rebecca and Lucy and I can't really explain it. Just replay through if you want and have an open mind.

Something doesn't feel right.

[Gyro458]

I always did think the ending was suspicious. With the 72 days until sattelite stuff and 72 other 72 references....

[rileypoole1234]

To be honest, I would have said this earlier but I just didn't want to sound stupid. I think ACB is really just a dream. You may think that is really stupid(*Spoiler coming up*) but when I first saw Desmond stab Lucy I said to myself "This can't be real" I honestly think its Desmonds dream in the the truck. I mean think about it, the ending was really the only important thing about it, the rest was pretty much just what Ezio did after AC2. I think its Desmond nightmare about Ezio and himself. I could go on for hours, but thats what I think.


Cheers mate

[magesupermaster]

Something that is really suspicious; the fact that you can pause the game when you are controlling Desmond. A white, Animus 2.0 like background and menu come up.

Like many have brought this before, someone reliving the life of Desmond that relives that lives of his ancestors.

Like Inception(Although I haven't seen the movie, many brought it up as an example).

[Rakudaton]

Whilst I think this is VERY unlikely (no offence), it does raise an interesting possibility:

THE BLEEDING EFFECT.

Rebecca mentioned a list of symptoms, including hallucinations. So I suppose it's possible that Brotherhood consists of Desmond alternately hallucinating modern day events and exploring his genetic memory without the need for an animus. At the end, the shock of killing Lucy might snap him out of the hallucination.

Just a thought, but I think it's very very unlikely to be right.

[MetalX2010]

what AMuppetMatt said about the dates really got me thinking O_o
I hope this memory inside a memory theory is wrong, although it's very badass but because its predictible.. Im sure we're all gonna be disappointed when we see subject gazilion-teen jump out of the animus and go like "lol they srsly thought 2012 is the end of the world TIHII ^^"
arghh for some reason i feel like this actually IS the ending thats it Im gonna forbid myself from overthinking this !

[coryplayspiano]

A lot of these points have been bothering me as well. It seems like after AC2, the gang tried to find a hideout and were discovered again. This hideout could have been the cabin that Lucy mentioned during the credits of AC2. That could have been where Desmond got his new Assassin hoodie and his different hidden blade. When they were discovered and had to escape, the van was shot at. Then they made their way to Monterrigioni where ACB picks up, which would explain why Lucy says it's their last safe house in Italy. She never sounded like they were down to just one more hideout at the end of AC2.

About the whole Leave Animus option and the red trail, it's interesting that the only time you see the present-day artifacts or the red trail is when you voluntarily elect to leave the Animus from the menu. When you first arrive in Monterrigioni and when you finish Sequence 9 and leave the Animus, the red trail and artifacts are nowhere to be found. It seems odd that Rebecca would tell you that you could leave the Animus at any time and then they somehow trick you into thinking you've left when you're still in the machine, but who knows. I'm not sure the Animus could trick Desmond like that, but it is rather fishy.

[coryplayspiano]

I also noticed that a lot of computers/servers in AC2's hideout and ACB's hideout have Abstergo logos on them. Rebecca said that Lucy got Animus blueprints to her, but it sure seems like she was able to get actual Abstergo equipment out as well. That seems even more fishy.

The other interesting puzzle piece is the emails on the Abstergo Industries website. They talk about missing Animus blueprints and that Warren Vidic assured someone that everything was in order. There's also several mentions of a lot of equipment without invoices or parts manifests showing up at Abstergo, and employees are questioning what's going on. Someone mentions Project Siren's codename and asks if that's planned for Subject 17. Is it possible that Desmond never even left Abstergo in the second game? Was all that equipment showing up at Abstergo without records the equipment that is running the Animus 2.0? I don't know what to think any more.

[zabaranak]

i think we should all calm down. its just a game. however Amuppetmatts theory does seem quiet weird in a good way, what i think is we should just be open minded and hope the assassins win and templars eat dirt.

[Rakudaton]

Someone mentions Project Siren's codename and asks if that's planned for Subject 17. Is it possible that Desmond never even left Abstergo in the second game?

Oh. My. God.

Project Siren? Are you sure?


A siren -- a mythical beautiful woman who sits on rocks and lures sailors to their deaths by singing to them.

Is Lucy... a siren?

This would explain why so much doesn't match up. I've heard theories about her being a triple agent and actually working for Abstergo all along. That would explain why Desmonds had to stab her; after all, Minerva said "the cross darkens the path", and we can assume that to be the templar cross.

If this is right, then... just what IS project siren for? Why did Lucy break him out of Abstergo? Why could they not continue as in AC1?


This traitor theory has been floating around for a while, but this 'siren' thing... it seems too big to be a coincidence. I wonder...