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    It could be a joystick axis profiling issue then.
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    Thanks again for your help. I will proceed with these steps.

    One last inquiry re the loss of speed, or percieved loss - any explanations for that? Dogfights were faster in the XP/ATI Radeon 9000 set-up; I could hold a Corsair just off the water in canopy rolls with a opponent if I handled my throttle and controls correctly; the same with the heavy Ta-152C when dogfighting an Oscar. These examples illustrate the loss of top power with my Win7 set up. Dogfights were faster, therefore more exhilerating. Again, same 25% fuel/AI fuel set up and difficulty level. If I patch up to current level, will this correct that? Will the Il-2 JoyControl have any impact on speed control? I may have overstated at 20%, but definitely 5-15%. Thanks to all respondents, very grateful for your inputs and taking the time. I will dedicate more time now that I have it!!
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    Thought to add for others experincing similiar problems with CH Products Combat FlightStick and Pro Pedals: Though I very much like the product, I have had to send these in too many times over the past 1 1/2 years with problems with buttons and the main gun trigger sticking. And I noticed the refurbished units come in a new box and are undistinguishable from new product. As I purchased these from a discount online seller, it may be that I unknowingly purchased a refurbished unit. Check to make sure you are getting a new unit when you purchase. One of the above respondents mentioned older joysticks, maybe this is not a factor, but something to consider.

    While I’m offering feedback on CHP, also note that the main trigger sometimes sticks due to an apparent problem with the outer casing. If you encounter this, make sure to strongly insist that the tech person not disregard the problem because his test screen shows it working – it produces an intermittent problem, ie, a ghost, sometimes works fine, but then sticks. They sent me back my same Combat Stick as the tech believed his test screen and dismissed my input. Be advised, UPS back and forthing that you get to pay for are the results!
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    What you're describing is really not possible. At least in terms of speed of the aircraft. The speed of the aircraft, by hard numbers, will be for practical purposes identically the same on two computers. Going from one OS to another OS will not affect the game at a level like that. The only thing I can think of is that you were playing the game on a pre 4.01m installation before and then upgraded to something post 4.01m later and there were some pretty big changes in how aircraft handle... But then you say you were flying with the Ta152C before and that arrived in 4.07m. So not likely then... Really it shouldn't be any different.

    I think unless you can show definitively that on one computer the speed of the aircraft was X and on the other computer the speed of the aircraft is now Y I think it may be purely perception based. It could be the result of higher or lower frame rates or a different quality of monitor or something like that affecting perception only.

    As far as the controls. I can think of a few instances for myself where the config.ini was slightly corrupted (missing a 0 or two) in the joystick section and that was causing some less than pleasant maneuvering.

    I realize this now requires some technical abilities although limited ones.

    Do the following:

    1) Open Notepad
    2) Go to 'File', then 'Open' and then locate the IL-2 directory. It may be located in: C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946
    3) Find the file called config.ini and select that as the file to open (Note: You may need to select All Files as files of type instead of just .txt)
    4) In the Config.ini file find the section called [rts_joystick]. Copy everything under that section here. For reference, mine looks like the following:
    <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
    [rts_joystick]
    X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
    Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
    Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    FF=0
    U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    1X=1 6 15 24 29 33 42 53 61 86 100 0 0
    1Y=0 11 14 23 30 39 40 56 62 71 100 0 0
    1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1RZ=0 7 12 19 26 31 36 44 54 67 92 0 0
    1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    </pre>

    We may be able to spot something out of place and tell you how to correct it.

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    Achieved speed in this game (and in real aircraft) is affected by control inputs. Your control inputs are affected by (excluding human factors such as practice, fatigue, alcohol etc..) hardware condition and joystick axis profile (the sliders in the Hardware Setup / Input menu option which is the same thing as the numbers posted by IceFire above).

    If you're slider / conf.ini settings are different, small physical joystick movements may be resulting in larger control surface movements than in your previous setup. This would cause more impact on performance than you were used to on your XP installation.

    This may seem unlikely, but I've seen a pilot online unable to keep up with another human pilot until the impact of control movements is made clear and a couple of months practice at smooth flying has been applied. The difference can be so subtantiantial that I've seen cases (in older game versions) where the "faster" pilot had to fly at 60% throttle to allow the "slower" pilot to keep up @ 100% throttle setting.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
    What you're describing is really not possible. At least in terms of speed of the aircraft. The speed of the aircraft, by hard numbers, will be for practical purposes identically the same on two computers. Going from one OS to another OS will not affect the game at a level like that. The only thing I can think of is that you were playing the game on a pre 4.01m installation before and then upgraded to something post 4.01m later and there were some pretty big changes in how aircraft handle... But then you say you were flying with the Ta152C before and that arrived in 4.07m. So not likely then... Really it shouldn't be any different.

    I think unless you can show definitively that on one computer the speed of the aircraft was X and on the other computer the speed of the aircraft is now Y I think it may be purely perception based. It could be the result of higher or lower frame rates or a different quality of monitor or something like that affecting perception only.

    As far as the controls. I can think of a few instances for myself where the config.ini was slightly corrupted (missing a 0 or two) in the joystick section and that was causing some less than pleasant maneuvering.

    I realize this now requires some technical abilities although limited ones.

    Do the following:

    1) Open Notepad
    2) Go to 'File', then 'Open' and then locate the IL-2 directory. It may be located in: C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946
    3) Find the file called config.ini and select that as the file to open (Note: You may need to select All Files as files of type instead of just .txt)
    4) In the Config.ini file find the section called [rts_joystick]. Copy everything under that section here. For reference, mine looks like the following:
    <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
    [rts_joystick]
    X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
    Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
    Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    FF=0
    U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    1X=1 6 15 24 29 33 42 53 61 86 100 0 0
    1Y=0 11 14 23 30 39 40 56 62 71 100 0 0
    1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1RZ=0 7 12 19 26 31 36 44 54 67 92 0 0
    1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
    </pre>

    We may be able to spot something out of place and tell you how to correct it.

    Here is the copied file:
    [rts_joystick]
    X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
    Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
    Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
    RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    FF=0
    U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
    1X=0 6 12 21 29 36 44 53 64 75 85 0
    1Y=0 6 14 20 28 34 40 49 62 75 87 0
    1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
    1X1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
    1Y1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
    1Z1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
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    Originally posted by Tully__:
    Achieved speed in this game (and in real aircraft) is affected by control inputs. Your control inputs are affected by (excluding human factors such as practice, fatigue, alcohol etc..) hardware condition and joystick axis profile (the sliders in the Hardware Setup / Input menu option which is the same thing as the numbers posted by IceFire above).

    If you're slider / conf.ini settings are different, small physical joystick movements may be resulting in larger control surface movements than in your previous setup. This would cause more impact on performance than you were used to on your XP installation.

    This may seem unlikely, but I've seen a pilot online unable to keep up with another human pilot until the impact of control movements is made clear and a couple of months practice at smooth flying has been applied. The difference can be so subtantiantial that I've seen cases (in older game versions) where the "faster" pilot had to fly at 60% throttle to allow the "slower" pilot to keep up @ 100% throttle setting.
    I had related above that when in the Il-2 hardware set up window, my CH Products rudder pedals show up in the screen with the moving box indicators, but not my CHP Joystick. I read another post mentioned problem with CH gear. You refered me to the JoyControl, which I will be setting up shortly, so hopefully this will help me to adjust the settings as required. Is there a possibility that the throttle slider setting is somehow not correct, and that therefore even in top speed setting [110%] that the aircraft is not in fact at top speed? It may be in fact as IceFire said a perception matter, but it seems damn real to me. As to the control movements, I just recently read a German pilot relate that he would adjust the trim control via the horizontal stabilizer during dogfights, but that one didn't fly that way to long or you would bleed off speed..." - I'm more closely monitoring my use of trim and that is producing some improvement. I will be continuing to work on the problem with your inputs and guidance, and I will post the results afterwards. Thanks again to all, much appreciated.
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    If your throttle is showing 110% then you're getting 110%.
    What I'm suggesting and the information you've provided confirms is that your joystick (the axes labelled 1X1, 1Y1 and 1Z1 in your conf.ini rts_joystick section) are set up with maximum sensitivity. The sensitivy screen in game only recognises the first controller in Windows game controllers regardless of whether that's the controller assigned to your primary flight controls or not. IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation.

    When you move the controls and the aicraft manouvers, this almost always causes an increase in drag even for tiny movements. Thus, frequent control inputs slow you down and the larger the input, the more it slows you down.

    When your joystick sensitivity is at maximum (all sliders at 100), even very small movements of the joystick can slow you down quite a bit, a 5% joystick movement will give you a 5% control movement. If you have the sliders corresponding to small movements turned down to 10, a 5% joystick movement will only produce a 0.5% control movement.

    It's perfectly possible to fly smoothly and quickly with all sliders set to maximum... provided you adjust your flying accordingly. If however you're accustomed to the early sliders being set much lower and you haven't adjusted how you handle the joystick to compensate for them now being at maximum, you'll be slowing yourself down quite a lot in situations where you're manouvering frequently. If this is the case, either use Joy Control to bring the sliders back to something you're used to, or get used to the sliders where they are and try to develop a much more subtle hand on the stick during gentle manouvering.
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    Originally posted by Tully__:
    If your throttle is showing 110% then you're getting 110%.
    What I'm suggesting and the information you've provided confirms is that your joystick (the axes labelled 1X1, 1Y1 and 1Z1 in your conf.ini rts_joystick section) are set up with maximum sensitivity. The sensitivy screen in game only recognises the first controller in Windows game controllers regardless of whether that's the controller assigned to your primary flight controls or not. IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation.

    When you move the controls and the aicraft manouvers, this almost always causes an increase in drag even for tiny movements. Thus, frequent control inputs slow you down and the larger the input, the more it slows you down.

    When your joystick sensitivity is at maximum (all sliders at 100), even very small movements of the joystick can slow you down quite a bit, a 5% joystick movement will give you a 5% control movement. If you have the sliders corresponding to small movements turned down to 10, a 5% joystick movement will only produce a 0.5% control movement.

    It's perfectly possible to fly smoothly and quickly with all sliders set to maximum... provided you adjust your flying accordingly. If however you're accustomed to the early sliders being set much lower and you haven't adjusted how you handle the joystick to compensate for them now being at maximum, you'll be slowing yourself down quite a lot in situations where you're manouvering frequently. If this is the case, either use Joy Control to bring the sliders back to something you're used to, or get used to the sliders where they are and try to develop a much more subtle hand on the stick during gentle manouvering.
    "IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation."

    I seem to recall that I could adjust my joystick when I had the XP set up, but it's been some time now and I don't know for sure. I will set up the JoyControl and follow the advise from the forum here and see how I fare.

    As far as subtleness of controll movements, understood, but my most favored fighting is the close in, and I mean close in swirling dogfight, which of course is where the 190 comes into it's own. When I mentioned loss of power in my postings, I was not so much referring to top end, rather during a swirling dogfight close in, ie, F4U or Ta 152C vs Oscar. I flew this so much that I am more sensitive and aware of the flight characteristics, as I'm sure you all have inimate knowledge of your favorite most flown machines. The power loss is therefore much more critical with these heavier beasts and hard to mistake! But I hope I achieve improved results as I perform these suggested installs and adjustments. Thanks for your input and help.
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    Originally posted by Tully__:
    If your throttle is showing 110% then you're getting 110%.
    What I'm suggesting and the information you've provided confirms is that your joystick (the axes labelled 1X1, 1Y1 and 1Z1 in your conf.ini rts_joystick section) are set up with maximum sensitivity. The sensitivy screen in game only recognises the first controller in Windows game controllers regardless of whether that's the controller assigned to your primary flight controls or not. IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation.

    When you move the controls and the aicraft manouvers, this almost always causes an increase in drag even for tiny movements. Thus, frequent control inputs slow you down and the larger the input, the more it slows you down.

    When your joystick sensitivity is at maximum (all sliders at 100), even very small movements of the joystick can slow you down quite a bit, a 5% joystick movement will give you a 5% control movement. If you have the sliders corresponding to small movements turned down to 10, a 5% joystick movement will only produce a 0.5% control movement.

    It's perfectly possible to fly smoothly and quickly with all sliders set to maximum... provided you adjust your flying accordingly. If however you're accustomed to the early sliders being set much lower and you haven't adjusted how you handle the joystick to compensate for them now being at maximum, you'll be slowing yourself down quite a lot in situations where you're manouvering frequently. If this is the case, either use Joy Control to bring the sliders back to something you're used to, or get used to the sliders where they are and try to develop a much more subtle hand on the stick during gentle manouvering.
    What about video cards influence on these issues? I mentioned in the Community help re the improvements from driver updates with my ATI 9000 that allowed very good control of the high G black out by varying the speed and tightness of the turn, whereas my newer Nvidia 9800M GTS initially gave the 'lights out and crash' interpretation, and apparently a Win7 automatic upgrade [I did not install or upgrade anything] subsequently improved that. Do video card give the exact same interpretation? I've seen websites where they are passionately discussed and rated from best to worst, and it seems performance issues were mentioned. Just one last inquiry while I'm attempting to understand the reason for this issue. No one has discussed video cards as being a possible contributing factor, so any thoughts you can offer on this?? Thanks Tully__
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