When did SC officially "jump the shark"? | Forums

[EmmaJordan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:
I say it was in SC:CT with the addition of the knife.

It was a little cool i guess but made the game a lot more simple. If you were seen just run right up to the guy and hit your button for the fast kill. The first 2 SC's you had to use a lot more of your gadgets.

What are your opinions on when the SC series took a turn for the worse? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah. What secret agent would be without a knife? A knife is one of the most useful weapons an operative could have.

For me, SC jumped the shark in Double Agent. Sam Fisher joins a terrorist group of (skinheads?!!) to extract information from John Brown's Army. Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't Sam - as a Third Echelon splinter cell - infiltrate the headquarters, steal the information and then leave? Moreover, couldn't he have stopped their plan and then assasinated Emil? Something would tell me that he is certainly qualified to do it... never understood the need to become a "double agent".

Why would the NSA risk a highly trained specialist in what is likely a much more risky mission (infiltrating a terrorist organization, being unarmed, etc.)? Moreover, why would the NSA risk such a highly trained and important operative flipping to the other side (a risk when you put a person in the position of being a double agent)?

If it did not jump the shark then, it certainly does with Conviction...

[osborne10]

i think he had to join the jba to see there plans ,see where they were going,what they were going to do and most importantly see who they are working with getting there supplies.and the whole thing started (i think)is that the nsa heard about the selling of red mercury.

[EmmaJordan]

The point is that, in past games, he found out other group's plans by spying on them when they didn't realize he was there, stealing plans, planting bugs, interrogating prisoners, using a laser microphone, etc.

From a strategic standpoint, this mission made no sense (given NSA capabilities with Sam)

[insanity76]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">When did SC officially "jump the shark"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It hasn't in my opinion. I agree with the knife in CT and making it entirely too easy, even on Expert. Not to mention the EEV, shotgun/sniper attachments, and even the close up knockout always taking guys out with one hit. Even using none of that stuff, going full stealth was miles easier than it was in the first 2 SC's.

It still was a lot of fun though.

[Jackie Fiest]

"Jump The Shark" is a television term. It generally doesn't apply to video games/film etc...

But, if what you are asking is if it has become old, I think Ubi was afraid of that very thing happenings hence the change in gameplay. I can't speak for the devs, just an observation.

[Aj6627]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stavros_27:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think it jumped the shark on the next-gen versions of DA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why are so many people negative about DA on the 360? I am a big SC fan and have played the series and loved the L&S gameplay since I first played the first SC. But after playing DA on the 360 then starting to play it on the xbox, the 360 seems like a breath of fresh air to the series while the Xbox version seems like an expansion of CT. It doesn't even have me hooked on playing it at this point, meanwhile every other SC game did when I first played it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not saying that I hated the 360 and PC versions that I own. I'm saying that DA for the 360/PC/PS3 alienated a lot of fans of the game. Especially on the PC.

[EskimoBob32]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
"Jump The Shark" is a television term. It generally doesn't apply to video games/film etc...

But, if what you are asking is if it has become old, I think Ubi was afraid of that very thing happenings hence the change in gameplay. I can't speak for the devs, just an observation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I believe the term actually originated when people realised the Fonz had become the main character of Happy Days. That would suggest 'jumping the shark' means taking the series from its roots, not keeping it the same and letting it get 'boring', doesn't it?

[ROLNIK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What are your opinions on when the SC series took a turn for the worse? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The day they started working on SCC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[LoneInTheDark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EskimoBob32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
"Jump The Shark" is a television term. It generally doesn't apply to video games/film etc...

But, if what you are asking is if it has become old, I think Ubi was afraid of that very thing happenings hence the change in gameplay. I can't speak for the devs, just an observation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I believe the term actually originated when people realised the Fonz had become the main character of Happy Days. That would suggest 'jumping the shark' means taking the series from its roots, not keeping it the same and letting it get 'boring', doesn't it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, you are right, Fonz on water skis. A very old phrase coined back in the 70s, now it is used vicariously to make a point. Not a thing wrong with that!

[ourrevolutionxx]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> What are your opinions on when the SC series took a turn for the worse? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SC 1, 2, 3 were awesome, double agent was a little shaky on the storyline, but the missions were still enjoyable, the turn for the worst, in my opinion, was as soon and word of conViction hit the public view.