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[BlackVideoGamer]

I hate to say this but, IMO, Lockdown needs some kind of Matchmaking system. I'm relatively new to this game (took a 1.5 year break on tom Clancy games for Halo/halo2) I keep ending up going up against level 40+ people that kill me in one burst(Higher upgraded weapons), where as it takes me 3-5 bursts. Its not fair that the "lesser" levels have to go up against that. Most of the people I've played who are 40+ are complete noobs but only beat me because of this unfair advantage.

Oh yeah and those claymores are F'ing annoying,bad kids spamming them all over the map and the gloating about getting kills really pisses me off.

Really my whole point to this thread is, LOSING TO NOOBS BECAUSE OF AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE SUCKS.

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[BlackVideoGamer]

I hate to say this but, IMO, Lockdown needs some kind of Matchmaking system. I'm relatively new to this game (took a 1.5 year break on tom Clancy games for Halo/halo2) I keep ending up going up against level 40+ people that kill me in one burst(Higher upgraded weapons), where as it takes me 3-5 bursts. Its not fair that the "lesser" levels have to go up against that. Most of the people I've played who are 40+ are complete noobs but only beat me because of this unfair advantage.

Oh yeah and those claymores are F'ing annoying,bad kids spamming them all over the map and the gloating about getting kills really pisses me off.

Really my whole point to this thread is, LOSING TO NOOBS BECAUSE OF AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE SUCKS.

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[Achillies316]

Level doesn't mean much in Lockdown. I've been a level one 3x, owned 40s all the time no matter what level.

Level helps on skills/time/amount.

Those "noobs" you talk about spaming mines--their cheaters, nothing more. To those people, yes I hope they get "their just deserves."

I really do't think a level cap on maps will help this game. Lockdown is just to short, 1-40 is only 25-35 hrs.

[WGSpeddyeddy25]

um, not to be rude and dont take this as any form of insult, but Achillies, if leveling were limited to say 100, or unlimited, then that would increase the unfair play deficit, sorry, but like I have and others have stated, this game isnt an RPG, nor was it meant to be an RPG, your statement about level 1's equal to level 40's is false entirely, I played letdown a bit and I noticed that higher levels win out a lot. no, this game used to be fun for its straight up hardcore tactics and realism but respawning isnt very realistic if you ask me, and rank/leveling points the game in a different direction and it had an effect the overall gameplay of the game, now come on, arcade games mix with RPG's better, tactical shooters and RPG's dont mix very well, thats why the gameplay was adjusted to see fit for it. But this game isnt new so changing the gameplay was a big mistake, sure, maybe PEC didnt change it all by itself, but it did make a dent. I agree with Black Video Gamer on this, unfair playing field sucks, and it does effect how well you play. Old Bow play was simple and original.

[Achillies316]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
um, not to be rude and dont take this as any form of insult, but Achillies, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never try to take anything personal. You, me, everyone has their opinion.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
if leveling were limited to say 100, or unlimited, then that would increase the unfair play deficit, sorry, but like I have and others have stated, this game isnt an RPG, nor was it meant to be an RPG, your statement about level 1's equal to level 40's is false entirely,
I played letdown a bit and I noticed that higher levels win out a lot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lockdown uses the leveling system to gain access to new skills. It really doesn't affect the game play too much.

I suspect you know there is a difference between a person who has played a game for 100 hours and a person who has played the game for 1 hour. The person with more time knows the better spots and is use to the game play.

A level 1 with 100 hours in Lockdown VS a level 40 with 30 hours---Whos your money going to be on?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
no, this game used to be fun for its straight up hardcore tactics and realism but respawning isnt very realistic if you ask me, and rank/leveling points the game in a different direction and it had an effect the overall gameplay of the game, now come on, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry everyone in the world is not equal. You have skills that I do not have and vice versa. You talk of realism yet your trying to close the door on that huge looming fact.

People who play the game more should be the exact same as a person who just bought the game? I like a reason to keep playing a game beyond stats. I like how I was able to work and see my character progress.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
arcade games mix with RPG's better, tactical shooters and RPG's dont mix very well, thats why the gameplay was adjusted to see fit for it. But this game isnt new so changing the gameplay was a big mistake, sure, maybe PEC didnt change it all by itself, but it did make a dent. I agree with Black Video Gamer on this, unfair playing field sucks, and it does effect how well you play. Old Bow play was simple and original. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are ways to level an unfair playing field. Make your own room: boot all the higher end people, it's one option.

[WGSpeddyeddy25]

um sorry, but I dont agree with what yur saying still, I stopped playing Lockdown before I reached level 40 so I dont think more levels would help, second, like I stated, this game was originally for the last 7 years a tactical shooter, not an RPG, if you want an RPG go play final fantasy, and yes, this game has RPG factors, not skills unlockables only. No, everyone should be created equal, but if your good your good if your not get better, dont noob your way up in your skills by leveling and ranking, sorry if your not good as fast as other players. booting other high level people is kinda ******ed especially if say (not in my case) you had friends who were high level and you were low level, sorry thats called being a hipacrit, we have them everywhere, and we especially dont want racist, then everyone wouldnt get to play. My point is that I want to play people good or better than me, but they shouldnt be given an advantage because they played longer than me, thats stupid, if your a better player then you shouldnt worry about needing leveling/ranking, all guns should be available to you like it says in the friggin Tom Clancy's Book. If the game was so dam realistic if you rank up then why the hell are you ranking up if you died, progression shouldnt be possible if you are dead duh, if you were to go in say your direction then you would have to restart your score after each death. Even playing ground would not bring this up as a problem in any way, no questions asked, if you were shot you cant say "But he was a higher level than me", no, instead it should be "****, he got me", this game shouldnt be about who has higher level, no, this game should be a battle of the wits, not "Oh im higher level so I should rush without problem", and yes that is all that is happening with run and gun and spray n' pray, that is especially not realistic as that its imposible to hold an automatic straight when spraying, and its even more impossible when running while doing this, that is why the Army after vietnam had their guns with burst fire so that the soldiers wouldnt spray into the woods, UNACCURATELY. If you want a game with RPG features and is a FPS, then go and buy Plantetside, its an MMO, that should satisfy you, but dont go around and try to get a game that was fine to stay like a POS with other features demonstrated by other genre's (RPG and Arcade). you say that a level 1 vs a level 40 being that the level 1 has more experience playing would win, that could be equal, but lemme ask you another question, what about all the level 1's without experience? or the good players who would restart like in the first situation, how many times do you think that he would get BS'ed because of rank? Why is it that a medic can save you from near death in seconds, I dont think thats possible or realistic, why would counter terrorist lug around proxy mines, I thought they were going to the terrorist, not the other way round. Its easy to say this game isnt the same at all, I would know, I played since rogue spear and on, this game isnt the same at all, it was downgraded a million different ways, and if you were so right Achilles then why all the complaints, why is the majority here agreeing with me, we will see many more PO'ed gamers after the PC release even though they were lucky enough to dodge PEC in the game, it still was a bad game compared to the other games, they will be here and probably agree with most of what is being said. I dont know how long youve been with the series and it shouldnt matter much unless your a Lockdown comer, but If you want your features go play another game, I think its almost been accomplished that rank/level/classes/buying will be removed from the game, goliath said it himself that PEC would be customization only (Appearance and gun). So sorry but your just fighting a already lost battle fighting with me, there's no point to say anything else, go ahead, flame me all you want, I dont need to say anything else to convince you of anything because it seems your set on what you want and Im set on what I want. Theres no reason to keep this going between us we would just repeat ourselves, no need to post anything, no need to bother everyone else, lets let other people post their opinion if they have anything to say.

[Achillies316]

.:Grumbles something about sentances and paragraphs:.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
um sorry, but I dont agree with what yur saying still, I stopped playing Lockdown before I reached level 40 so I dont think more levels would help, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">You never made it all the way to 40 and played it for a while. Sounds like your assuming on how easy it is on the high end.

I never stated I wanted more levels.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
second, like I stated, this game was originally for the last 7 years a tactical shooter, not an RPG, if you want an RPG go play final fantasy, and yes, this game has RPG factors, not skills unlockables only. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">This game is still very tactical, (ambushes, closing off routs, working as a team.)

Your trying to spit hairs on this game being an RPG, it is. So are all other games technically. Lockdown simple includes a few features from other games it didn't contain before.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
No, everyone should be created equal, but if your good your good if your not get better, dont noob your way up in your skills by leveling and ranking, sorry if your not good as fast as other players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">If I devote more time to a game I should be better than a person who just went out and bought/rented it. This will never change. If you want to be good at something you must work for it, no one is going to do it for you.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
booting other high level people is kinda ******ed especially if say (not in my case) you had friends who were high level and you were low level, sorry thats called being a hipacrit, we have them everywhere, and we especially dont want racist, then everyone wouldnt get to play. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I gave that as a viable option to level the playing field. It is done in every game system I have ever played in. I have been booted from rooms for getting the most kills a few games in a room. (Happens more times than I care to remember. Sad part is I'm a MEDIC. I'm there to help support the team as well.) Rooms will not allow proxy mines in them, no gernades, or be pistols only. Why? Because it is their choice. If you don't like the rules the host puts down, go find a different room.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
My point is that I want to play people good or better than me, but they shouldnt be given an advantage because they played longer than me, thats stupid, if your a better player then you shouldnt worry about needing leveling/ranking, all guns should be available to you like it says in the friggin Tom Clancy's Book. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">There is always someone out there who is better than you. They have more free time to devote to learn: maps, where to look, where to run too, where to aim, and how to survive the longest. This equallity you talk of has never existed in any of the games.

Ranking has always existed on the scoreboards. Whether it be a ELO or a number or kills. This helps to show you the quality of player you are up against.

It took me 3x 1-40 to figure out level has a minor roll in ths game. If I'm level one or I'm level 40 everyone on a map in a FPS is a threat to you. Rank is what determines how much of a threat level they are. (40 with 12 kills or the level 5 with 48 kills? Which one has a highte rank/threat level to you?)

This is a video game. Not a book.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
If the game was so dam realistic if you rank up then why the hell are you ranking up if you died, progression shouldnt be possible if you are dead duh, if you were to go in say your direction then you would have to restart your score after each death. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Its really nice not having to restart from level one every time. Some video games originally didn't let you save your progress. So every time you turned off your system you had to restart from level one. (Quite a few nintendo games worked like this. Ahhhh the memories )</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
Even playing ground would not bring this up as a problem in any way, no questions asked, if you were shot you cant say "But he was a higher level than me", no, instead it should be "****, he got me", this game shouldnt be about who has higher level, no, this game should be a battle of the wits, not "Oh im higher level so I should rush without problem", </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Some people need to make excuses when they die. People will always find a reason.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
and yes that is all that is happening with run and gun and spray n' pray, that is especially not realistic as that its imposible to hold an automatic straight when spraying, and its even more impossible when running while doing this, that is why the Army after vietnam had their guns with burst fire so that the soldiers wouldnt spray into the woods, UNACCURATELY. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Thats not entirely true, or even close to it.

In Vietnam the enemy was rarely seen. A hell of alot of ammo was used daily. Troops were told in training to be on target. Once there they learned that as long as your firing the ememy will have to take it slow or be mowed down.

That burst fire is great. When you want to put alot of lead in the air now you get three bullets per pull of the trigger instead of one.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
If you want a game with RPG features and is a FPS, then <span class="ev_code_BLUE">go and buy Plantetside, its an MMO, that should satisfy you</span> , but dont go around and try to get a game that was fine to stay like a POS with other features demonstrated by other genre's (RPG and Arcade). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I bought Lockdown because it was the new R6 out. What makes you think I want to leave the R6 series? I'm simply pointiong out that this game is no where near as horrible as people try to make it out to be.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
you say that a level 1 vs a level 40 being that the level 1 has more experience playing would win, that could be equal, but lemme ask you another question, what about all the level 1's without experience? or the good players who would restart like in the first situation, how many times do you think that he would get BS'ed because of rank? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">With that said: A newby player should never take down a more experienced player. No game in the R6 series has been like that. It never will be either. We are always given a chance to beat the opponent. Rank (how good your opponent is) determines how much or a chance you really have in accomplishing this goal.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
Why is it that a medic can save you from near death in seconds, I dont think thats possible or realistic, why would counter terrorist lug around proxy mines, I thought they were going to the terrorist, not the other way round. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">It's a video game. You have the choice to play without PEC mode or to choose a class and deal with the choice you made.</span>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
Its easy to say this game isnt the same at all, I would know, I played since rogue spear and on, this game isnt the same at all, it was downgraded a million different ways, and if you were so right Achilles then why all the complaints, why is the majority here agreeing with me, we will see many more PO'ed gamers after the PC release even though they were lucky enough to dodge PEC in the game, it still was a bad game compared to the other games, they will be here and probably agree with most of what is being said. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is not the PC forum. I realize that console and PC versions are vastly different.

<span class="ev_code_RED">The "majority" you talk of for some reason only want to bash this game. True fans of the R6 series would have said "here is what we need to improve this game" not "this game suxs, what else you got?" Most of them openly admit to not playing the game but continue to post. No idea what they are trying to do.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
I dont know how long youve been with the series and it shouldnt matter much unless your a Lockdown comer, but If you want your features go play another game, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Since Rougue Spear came out on the PC. Still one of the greats IMO. I have almost all of the differnt versions of ever game and tons of diffent maps and mods. How about you?</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
I think its almost been accomplished that rank/level/classes/buying will be removed from the game, goliath said it himself that PEC would be customization only (Appearance and gun). So sorry but your just fighting a already lost battle fighting with me, there's no point to say anything else, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">This has never been a "battle". This is simple an awswering of questions, stating of options, and opinions.

Yes I know all about what Goliath has said. I've watched patiently. Not to put a damper on your rejoicing but Goliath said lots of "I"s not "Ubi"s. There is a big difference in that.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
go ahead, flame me all you want, I dont need to say anything else to convince you of anything because it seems your set on what you want and Im set on what I want. Theres no reason to keep this going between us we would just repeat ourselves, no need to post anything, no need to bother everyone else, lets let other people post their opinion if they have anything to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I don't flame. I let facts speak for themselves.</span>

[WGSpeddyeddy25]

"You never made it all the way to 40 and played it for a while. Sounds like your assuming on how easy it is on the high end.

I never stated I wanted more levels."

I made it to level 34 as a spec ops, I got too bored of the game before I wanted to finish, and you did say that you wanted more levels indirectly.

"This game is still very tactical, (ambushes, closing off routs, working as a team.)

Your trying to spit hairs on this game being an RPG, it is. So are all other games technically. Lockdown simple includes a few features from other games it didn't contain before."


That statement is false, the game is not tactical, its just a shooter now, you can ambush in any game, RS3 had the tactical feel, Halo, H2, quake, Unreal, RS3, GR, GR2, Farcry etc. Those games do not have the RPG characteristics, but you said all other games have these features?


"If I devote more time to a game I should be better than a person who just went out and bought/rented it. This will never change. If you want to be good at something you must work for it, no one is going to do it for you."


what, thats not true either, you should better than someone through your skill, not given to you, but if skills are given to you, then I guess you must work really hard then. No, If you werent given skills then you would have to work harder then, and plus, if you played longer you should be better but sometimes other players get better faster, so yes a newb should be allowed to be able to kill you.



"I gave that as a viable option to level the playing field. It is done in every game system I have ever played in. I have been booted from rooms for getting the most kills a few games in a room. (Happens more times than I care to remember. Sad part is I'm a MEDIC. I'm there to help support the team as well.) Rooms will not allow proxy mines in them, no gernades, or be pistols only. Why? Because it is their choice. If you don't like the rules the host puts down, go find a different room."


Yeah I heard you, like I said its racist to boot players simply because they are higher than you. Another thing, I dont have such an awesome ISP so I just join games, not really much of a host. And Just for your information, Ive never been booted out of RS3 for having a better score or being a higher rank(because there is not rank in that game), Ive only been booted to make room for a friend or when I have a one star (rare).

"There is always someone out there who is better than you. They have more free time to devote to learn: maps, where to look, where to run too, where to aim, and how to survive the longest. This equallity you talk of has never existed in any of the games."

Ranking has always existed on the scoreboards. Whether it be a ELO or a number or kills. This helps to show you the quality of player you are up against.

"It took me 3x 1-40 to figure out level has a minor roll in ths game. If I'm level one or I'm level 40 everyone on a map in a FPS is a threat to you. Rank is what determines how much of a threat level they are. (40 with 12 kills or the level 5 with 48 kills? Which one has a highte rank/threat level to you?)

This is a video game. Not a book."

Not true, Ive played with people whove restarted several times and have told me its harder at the beggining, if leveling was just to scale where your at I wouldnt be so very pissed off but look I am, and guess what, this game was modeled after the book, Lockdown was the first to go off track. Yeah Im looking for people better, no they shouldnt be given an advantage over me, that would make them way too good, at least in RS3 I have a chance. What do you mean that equality hasnt existed in the other games? IM talking about the characters you control has an equal chance of killing the other player who has an equal chance, duh all gamers are different and not equal in skill.


"Its really nice not having to restart from level one every time. Some video games originally didn't let you save your progress. So every time you turned off your system you had to restart from level one. (Quite a few nintendo games worked like this. Ahhhh the memories )"

I dont get what your saying here, sounds like your agreeing with me somewhat, but the statement that you had to restart from level one is not true about the other rainbow games, because 1. there was no ranking and 2. the game saved what map/level you were on (1 & 2 is for either situation of map level or skill level) (and yes I remember the good ol N64/NES (Super Mario 3!)

"Some people need to make excuses when they die. People will always find a reason."

Yeah they do but on RS3 its an irrational excuse, on RSL its very rational simply because of leveling/ranking.

"Thats not entirely true, or even close to it.

In Vietnam the enemy was rarely seen. A hell of alot of ammo was used daily. Troops were told in training to be on target. Once there they learned that as long as your firing the ememy will have to take it slow or be mowed down."


Dude, it is true when they did see them, I think you should check out a few history books on the war or guns, but yeah not seeing them and then spraying was another reasone, but burst fire is more accurate you cant say no because I have a brother a father 2 uncles and a grandfather who all served in the military and have told me single shots while stationary was more accurate then running around shooting bullets out yur ***, and what do you mean when you say its not true that running and gunning or spraying is inaccurate, check that out in any military book, they'll tell you otherwise.


"I bought Lockdown because it was the new R6 out. What makes you think I want to leave the R6 series? I'm simply pointiong out that this game is no where near as horrible as people try to make it out to be."

I didnt say leave the series, I said that the series would return to its former glory probably, and yes, this game is as horrible as said because go ahead and check out IGN or Gamespot, compare the scores between the games.

"With that said: A newby player should never take down a more experienced player. No game in the R6 series has been like that. It never will be either. We are always given a chance to beat the opponent. Rank (how good your opponent is) determines how much or a chance you really have in accomplishing this goal"

What?! If a NEWBY players sneaks up on an experienced player then in that case that experienced player should probably die, in Lockdown this isnt true, hell me and this one guy snuck up on this level 40 popped a few shots into him did ****, he turned around sprayed and then I was dead. You say that levels dont help players but show how good they are, not true, whats the point of removing the ELO system for the ranking one, whats the point of the skills? That doesnt make very much sense.

"It's a video game. You have the choice to play without PEC mode or to choose a class and deal with the choice you made."

PEC has a major effect on the outcome of the game, it effected it because arcade games go better with RPG than tacs with RPG's, my statements have pointed to PEC shouldnt even exist, Team Sharpshooter wouldnt exist without PEC but it does, and its very very unrealistic when you kill someone and then they come back again, once again respawns only go with arcade games, tactical shooters are more towards realistic but respawn is unrealistic so they dont mix so well.

"The "majority" you talk of for some reason only want to bash this game. True fans of the R6 series would have said "here is what we need to improve this game" not "this game suxs, what else you got?" Most of them openly admit to not playing the game but continue to post. No idea what they are trying to do."


Ok what? Dude true fans dislike RSL so yeah they're kinda Pissed, but I remember that some of us said "this is what needs to be done", and yeah were the majority, if there were so many people who "LOVE THE GAME" Where are they, I dont see very many of them around. and ya know what, Im a true fan of the games cept for lockdown, Ive been around for a friggin long time and ya know what this game did suck, too bad face facts, of course a few kids (yeah i said kids) will enjoy the game, but there are more who disliked it. The game by itself is Decent, but compared to its predacesors its garbage. What do you mean they admit they havent played the game, who said that? I said I STOPPED PLAYING THE GAME, plz quote someone for me, I would love to hear it.


"Since Rougue Spear came out on the PC. Still one of the greats IMO. I have almost all of the differnt versions of ever game and tons of diffent maps and mods. How about you?"

Yup, Thats something we have in common isnt it, personally Rogue spear is probly the best CPU and RS3 is the best console (Opinion) (I miss bunkers and the old city street large)(The N64 Rainbow six wasnt half bad but the controls were a little whack but it was still awesome)

"This has never been a "battle". This is simple an awswering of questions, stating of options, and opinions.

Yes I know all about what Goliath has said. I've watched patiently. Not to put a damper on your rejoicing but Goliath said lots of "I"s not "Ubi"s. There is a big difference in that."



yeah yur right this is a debate that will prove nothing but you went on ahead and decided to keep this **** going the the repetition on both sides like I said would happen. and guess what, goliath is UBI.

"I don't flame. I let facts speak for themselves"

If this is true then why is all your evidence "Here say"(means your evidence has very little support), you should listen to facts as they are, if they spoke for themselves and you were listening this **** wouldnt be needed to have been said and it wouldve been done days ago. Like I said last post, stop this now before **** gets out of hand, We dont want attention from Devs or Mods, and it would be negative attention.

[Achillies316]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
um sorry, but I dont agree with what yur saying still, I stopped playing Lockdown before I reached level 40 so I dont think more levels would help, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">You never made it all the way to 40 and played it for a while. Sounds like your assuming on how easy it is on the high end.

I never stated I wanted more levels.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I made it to level 34 as a spec ops, I got too bored of the game before I wanted to finish, and you did say that you wanted more levels indirectly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">With online games you are never finished. That not important though. You decided to give up on the game at 34, thats fine. It also makes everything your saying about being 40 heresay.

I'm not seeing anywhere in this post that I have asked for more levels. (I have stated in a different thread how more levels may be a good idea. Or how leveling up should not be so easy. That is a different thread and has no relivance to this one.)</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
second, like I stated, this game was originally for the last 7 years a tactical shooter, not an RPG, if you want an RPG go play final fantasy, and yes, this game has RPG factors, not skills unlockables only. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">This game is still very tactical, (ambushes, closing off routs, working as a team.)

Your trying to spit hairs on this game being an RPG, it is. So are all other games technically. Lockdown simple includes a few features from other games it didn't contain before.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That statement is false, the game is not tactical, its just a shooter now, you can ambush in any game, RS3 had the tactical feel, Halo, H2, quake, Unreal, RS3, GR, GR2, Farcry etc. Those games do not have the RPG characteristics, but you said all other games have these features? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I never said those features were from a FPS. Combiming different asspects of differnt games is nothing new. Most of those features were taken from real life. That would be a better answer.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
No, everyone should be created equal, but if your good your good if your not get better, dont noob your way up in your skills by leveling and ranking, sorry if your not good as fast as other players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">If I devote more time to a game I should be better than a person who just went out and bought/rented it. This will never change. If you want to be good at something you must work for it, no one is going to do it for you.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what, thats not true either, you should better than someone through your skill, not given to you, but if skills are given to you, then I guess you must work really hard then. No, If you werent given skills then you would have to work harder then, and plus, if you played longer you should be better but sometimes other players get better faster, so yes a newb should be allowed to be able to kill you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">In this game and all other R6 games noobs have the option to to kill the most experience play with the same shot they take (one shot to the head.) You make this sound like you want to go down to your local game stor, pick out a game and instantly be as good as a person who has played it for a year. This will never happen. The person with one years time will know the map, the best spots, were to shoot at, and how to avoid being hit better that you. Nothing is free, but here you are saying you want what others have worked for without putting as much time and effort in yourself.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
booting other high level people is kinda ******ed especially if say (not in my case) you had friends who were high level and you were low level, sorry thats called being a hipacrit, we have them everywhere, and we especially dont want racist, then everyone wouldnt get to play. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I gave that as a viable option to level the playing field. It is done in every game system I have ever played in. I have been booted from rooms for getting the most kills a few games in a room. (Happens more times than I care to remember. Sad part is I'm a MEDIC. I'm there to help support the team as well.) Rooms will not allow proxy mines in them, no gernades, or be pistols only. Why? Because it is their choice. If you don't like the rules the host puts down, go find a different room.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I heard you, like I said its racist to boot players simply because they are higher than you. Another thing, I dont have such an awesome ISP so I just join games, not really much of a host. And Just for your information, Ive never been booted out of RS3 for having a better score or being a higher rank(because there is not rank in that game), Ive only been booted to make room for a friend or when I have a one star (rare). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">It has nothing to do with being a racist. Your server your rules. That simple. Its been like this since Rogue Spear and has never changed.

Glad to hear you have never been booted for those reasons. I use to get booted on a daily basis. I don't glitch or cheat. I simple had 5x the kills of most of the people in the rooms. I don't hold it against people for booting me. If they asked me to leave I would do so without a complaint as well.

I prefer not to host games myself. I prefer to join other peoples games.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
My point is that I want to play people good or better than me, but they shouldnt be given an advantage because they played longer than me, thats stupid, if your a better player then you shouldnt worry about needing leveling/ranking, all guns should be available to you like it says in the friggin Tom Clancy's Book. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">There is always someone out there who is better than you. They have more free time to devote to learn: maps, where to look, where to run too, where to aim, and how to survive the longest. This equallity you talk of has never existed in any of the games.

Ranking has always existed on the scoreboards. Whether it be a ELO or a number or kills. This helps to show you the quality of player you are up against.

It took me 3x 1-40 to figure out level has a minor roll in ths game. If I'm level one or I'm level 40 everyone on a map in a FPS is a threat to you. Rank is what determines how much of a threat level they are. (40 with 12 kills or the level 5 with 48 kills? Which one has a highte rank/threat level to you?)

This is a video game. Not a book.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true, Ive played with people whove restarted several times and have told me its harder at the beggining, if leveling was just to scale where your at I wouldnt be so very pissed off but look I am, and guess what, this game was modeled after the book, Lockdown was the first to go off track. Yeah Im looking for people better, no they shouldnt be given an advantage over me, that would make them way too good, at least in RS3 I have a chance. What do you mean that equality hasnt existed in the other games? IM talking about the characters you control has an equal chance of killing the other player who has an equal chance, duh all gamers are different and not equal in skill. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Those people who told you Lockdown is tougher at lower level are wrong. I leveled a medic 1-40 3x. I use a gun to kill my oponent 95% of the time, not gernades. I know from EXPERIENCE that at level 1 I have just as much of a chance to kill you (being 40) as you do me. I also go by "mind over matter" meaning "those skill point really don't help me, I can do fine without them." </span>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
If the game was so dam realistic if you rank up then why the hell are you ranking up if you died, progression shouldnt be possible if you are dead duh, if you were to go in say your direction then you would have to restart your score after each death. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Its really nice not having to restart from level one every time. Some video games originally didn't let you save your progress. So every time you turned off your system you had to restart from level one. (Quite a few nintendo games worked like this. Ahhhh the memories )</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
Even playing ground would not bring this up as a problem in any way, no questions asked, if you were shot you cant say "But he was a higher level than me", no, instead it should be "****, he got me", this game shouldnt be about who has higher level, no, this game should be a battle of the wits, not "Oh im higher level so I should rush without problem", </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Some people need to make excuses when they die. People will always find a reason.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah they do but on RS3 its an irrational excuse, on RSL its very rational simply because of leveling/ranking. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">How maney people acctually say "good kill" to the person who shot them. Not maney. People naturally want to blame thier death in a game on something in the game. It's never their fault for not being as good or as lucky as the person who shot them. (I do tell people "good kill" when they did do a notable job in killing me. People being lame, not a chance.)</span>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
and yes that is all that is happening with run and gun and spray n' pray, that is especially not realistic as that its imposible to hold an automatic straight when spraying, and its even more impossible when running while doing this, that is why the Army after vietnam had their guns with burst fire so that the soldiers wouldnt spray into the woods, UNACCURATELY. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Thats not entirely true, or even close to it.

In Vietnam the enemy was rarely seen. A hell of alot of ammo was used daily. Troops were told in training to be on target. Once there they learned that as long as your firing the ememy will have to take it slow or be mowed down.

That burst fire is great. When you want to put alot of lead in the air now you get three bullets per pull of the trigger instead of one.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, it is true when they did see them, I think you should check out a few history books on the war or guns, but yeah not seeing them and then spraying was another reasone, but burst fire is more accurate you cant say no because I have a brother a father 2 uncles and a grandfather who all served in the military and have told me single shots while stationary was more accurate then running around shooting bullets out yur ***, and what do you mean when you say its not true that running and gunning or spraying is inaccurate, check that out in any military book, they'll tell you otherwise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I never said burst fire was more accurate than a single round fired.

I know history quite well. I know guns quite well. I have no reason to do any more research at the moment. You simply put words in my moth that were never said.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
If you want a game with RPG features and is a FPS, then <span class="ev_code_BLUE">go and buy Plantetside, its an MMO, that should satisfy you</span> , but dont go around and try to get a game that was fine to stay like a POS with other features demonstrated by other genre's (RPG and Arcade). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I bought Lockdown because it was the new R6 out. What makes you think I want to leave the R6 series? I'm simply pointiong out that this game is no where near as horrible as people try to make it out to be.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didnt say leave the series, I said that the series would return to its former glory probably, and yes, this game is as horrible as said because go ahead and check out IGN or Gamespot, compare the scores between the games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">The impression you gave was that I am unsatisfied with the R6 series. Since I never expressed that and I am here defending the game, its just anther way of saying "go away."

I do not go buy IGN or Gamespot. I let myself decide which games are good and which ones should be used as coasters. </span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
you say that a level 1 vs a level 40 being that the level 1 has more experience playing would win, that could be equal, but lemme ask you another question, what about all the level 1's without experience? or the good players who would restart like in the first situation, how many times do you think that he would get BS'ed because of rank? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">With that said: A newby player should never take down a more experienced player. No game in the R6 series has been like that. It never will be either. We are always given a chance to beat the opponent. Rank (how good your opponent is) determines how much or a chance you really have in accomplishing this goal.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What?! If a NEWBY players sneaks up on an experienced player then in that case that experienced player should probably die, in Lockdown this isnt true, hell me and this one guy snuck up on this level 40 popped a few shots into him did ****, he turned around sprayed and then I was dead. You say that levels dont help players but show how good they are, not true, whats the point of removing the ELO system for the ranking one, whats the point of the skills? That doesnt make very much sense. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Lockdown uses it own rules. (When you sneak up behind someone, put a full clip in his back NOT ONE OR TWO SHOTS! Its one of those quircks of the game.) I see the skills in Lockdown as a reward for playing the game. Skill points allow you to tweak your character to perform tasks better. If you do a job routinly in the real world, you find out the most efficent way to complete that task if you show interest.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
Why is it that a medic can save you from near death in seconds, I dont think thats possible or realistic, why would counter terrorist lug around proxy mines, I thought they were going to the terrorist, not the other way round. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">It's a video game. You have the choice to play without PEC mode or to choose a class and deal with the choice you made.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PEC has a major effect on the outcome of the game, it effected it because arcade games go better with RPG than tacs with RPG's, my statements have pointed to PEC shouldnt even exist, Team Sharpshooter wouldnt exist without PEC but it does, and its very very unrealistic when you kill someone and then they come back again, once again respawns only go with arcade games, tactical shooters are more towards realistic but respawn is unrealistic so they dont mix so well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Sharpshooter match is nothing new to R6. With a team it makes it very entertaining.

PEC mode to me is great. I can use a skill to help out a wounded teammate, do suveilance, close off paths for my opponent all very useful and realistic (there are used in real life.) It gives me something else to do besides shoot or throw a gernade.</span>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
Its easy to say this game isnt the same at all, I would know, I played since rogue spear and on, this game isnt the same at all, it was downgraded a million different ways, and if you were so right Achilles then why all the complaints, why is the majority here agreeing with me, we will see many more PO'ed gamers after the PC release even though they were lucky enough to dodge PEC in the game, it still was a bad game compared to the other games, they will be here and probably agree with most of what is being said. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is not the PC forum. I realize that console and PC versions are vastly different.

<span class="ev_code_RED">The "majority" you talk of for some reason only want to bash this game. True fans of the R6 series would have said "here is what we need to improve this game" not "this game suxs, what else you got?" Most of them openly admit to not playing the game but continue to post. No idea what they are trying to do.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok what? Dude true fans dislike RSL so yeah they're kinda Pissed, but I remember that some of us said "this is what needs to be done", and yeah were the majority, if there were so many people who "LOVE THE GAME" Where are they, I dont see very many of them around. and ya know what, Im a true fan of the games cept for lockdown, Ive been around for a friggin long time and ya know what this game did suck, too bad face facts, of course a few kids (yeah i said kids) will enjoy the game, but there are more who disliked it. The game by itself is Decent, but compared to its predacesors its garbage. What do you mean they admit they havent played the game, who said that? I said I STOPPED PLAYING THE GAME, plz quote someone for me, I would love to hear it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">My majority is online playing R6:Lockdown.

So I'm not a "true fan" because I like Lockdown now?

I will admit compared to the other R6 games this one is lacking.

And that last part is a typo sort of. I didn't include the word ANYMORE </span>



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
I dont know how long youve been with the series and it shouldnt matter much unless your a Lockdown comer, but If you want your features go play another game, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Since Rougue Spear came out on the PC. Still one of the greats IMO. I have almost all of the differnt versions of ever game and tons of diffent maps and mods. How about you?</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, Thats something we have in common isnt it, personally Rogue spear is probly the best CPU and RS3 is the best console (Opinion) (I miss bunkers and the old city street large)(The N64 Rainbow six wasnt half bad but the controls were a little whack but it was still awesome) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Tottal agreement.</span>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
I think its almost been accomplished that rank/level/classes/buying will be removed from the game, goliath said it himself that PEC would be customization only (Appearance and gun). So sorry but your just fighting a already lost battle fighting with me, there's no point to say anything else, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">This has never been a "battle". This is simple an awswering of questions, stating of options, and opinions.

Yes I know all about what Goliath has said. I've watched patiently. Not to put a damper on your rejoicing but Goliath said lots of "I"s not "Ubi"s. There is a big difference in that.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah yur right this is a debate that will prove nothing but you went on ahead and decided to keep this **** going the the repetition on both sides like I said would happen. and guess what, goliath is UBI. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Take it for what its worth. Goliath has never stated to my knowledge he make the decisions for UBI. He was farwording this informatin through the proper channels. With big companies it never boils down to one person.</span>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Achillies316:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WGSpeddyeddy25:
go ahead, flame me all you want, I dont need to say anything else to convince you of anything because it seems your set on what you want and Im set on what I want. Theres no reason to keep this going between us we would just repeat ourselves, no need to post anything, no need to bother everyone else, lets let other people post their opinion if they have anything to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I don't flame. I let facts speak for themselves.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this is true then why is all your evidence "Here say"(means your evidence has very little support), you should listen to facts as they are, if they spoke for themselves and you were listening this **** wouldnt be needed to have been said and it wouldve been done days ago. Like I said last post, stop this now before **** gets out of hand, We dont want attention from Devs or Mods, and it would be negative attention. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">If you go back through some of the posts that I have made, my input is ignored and pushed to the side. With so maney voices calling for this game to thrown into the trash bin, it is very easy for people not to be heard/addressed.

I'm not worried about Devs or Mods. I know the Mods have been watching. That is a task they accepted and do with little to no compliments coming their way.

Discussion is what these boards were made for. As long as we remain civil to one another, there is no "negative attention" being done.</span>

[Achillies316]

That post just took me an hour to edit to look like that.

If we continue this dicussion I'm going to break it down into smaller pieces so it is easier to follow and post.