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    Greetings All,

    I hope this is the right site for these questions. That said, I'd greatly appreciate your input regarding a bit of spyware confusion that remain open issues to the less experienced.....at least those at my house to be sure

    On the IL forum board, I've read a few notes written by Luckyboy who has often discussed several options for internet security overall, and as I understand it, with spyware being a separate issue for the most part. A recent article "Try Not To Be A Bunch Of Schmucks" on 03-13-04 is just outstanding, but for me, has left a few open questions.

    In the article Luckyboy expressed his experience with Norton and identified it as a wonderful tool in many regards. Personally, I fully agree. I have it as well and also think it's terrific.

    In another response from Luckyboy, (I don't rememeber which) and also on the "callingelvis911" site, he explains that most of the "Free" downloads are not really free, and are often one of the biggest sources contributing to the spyware problem. He also advises us to read the fine print before downloading any of them to avoid actually agreeing to the process unwittingly. Bottom line, he states that nothing is "Free" and to be careful. Great advise and I understand all of it up to this point.

    Here's where I'm a bit lost. On the "callingelvis911" site, the article there (another excellent piece) discusses Ad-Aware, Spybot, and PestPatrol. After reading this, my conclusion was that "PestPatrol" is the better program to use to catch the balance of unwanted stuff not caught by Norton. (At least at the time it was written....I didn't see a date, but I'm assuming it's pretty recent.)

    Yet, in the IL post on 03-13-04, Luckyboy discusses a potential problem his supervisor is having which he believes may be caused by spyware. He suggests to his superior to download Ad-Aware and Spybot, which (if I understood correctly) was identified on "callingelvis911" as fairly effective, but not so hot in the sense that they too contain spyware.

    That's the conflict.

    Was the suggestion to the superior to use Ad-Aware and Spybot perhaps because they're free or low cost to obtain, or simply less problematic spyware removal programs than others out there? ...even though they themselves contain spyware?

    After reading the "callingelvis911" info, I would have thought he would have recommended PestPatrol with Norton. Until reading the IL post on 03-13-04, I was under the impression that Norton and PestPatrol are pretty much all that is (currently) needed to take a solid bite out of the spyware problem without adding (somewhat)to the problem through the use of Ad-Aware and Spybot.......

    I fully realize that nothing is perfect and his articles are simply sharing what he has found to be effective tools. (Geez, without his and others articles, I would not have been aware of several problems and remedies available on a wide variety of topics.)

    I don't know if others are seeking a better understanding of this as well, but my guess is that I'm probably not alone. Whatever light you can shed to help clear up some of the confusion between PestPatrol, Ad-Aware, Spybot, et.al. is, of course, greatly appreciated.

    Lastly and most importantly, thank you all very much for the continued help and support in so many, many ways.
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    Greetings All,

    I hope this is the right site for these questions. That said, I'd greatly appreciate your input regarding a bit of spyware confusion that remain open issues to the less experienced.....at least those at my house to be sure

    On the IL forum board, I've read a few notes written by Luckyboy who has often discussed several options for internet security overall, and as I understand it, with spyware being a separate issue for the most part. A recent article "Try Not To Be A Bunch Of Schmucks" on 03-13-04 is just outstanding, but for me, has left a few open questions.

    In the article Luckyboy expressed his experience with Norton and identified it as a wonderful tool in many regards. Personally, I fully agree. I have it as well and also think it's terrific.

    In another response from Luckyboy, (I don't rememeber which) and also on the "callingelvis911" site, he explains that most of the "Free" downloads are not really free, and are often one of the biggest sources contributing to the spyware problem. He also advises us to read the fine print before downloading any of them to avoid actually agreeing to the process unwittingly. Bottom line, he states that nothing is "Free" and to be careful. Great advise and I understand all of it up to this point.

    Here's where I'm a bit lost. On the "callingelvis911" site, the article there (another excellent piece) discusses Ad-Aware, Spybot, and PestPatrol. After reading this, my conclusion was that "PestPatrol" is the better program to use to catch the balance of unwanted stuff not caught by Norton. (At least at the time it was written....I didn't see a date, but I'm assuming it's pretty recent.)

    Yet, in the IL post on 03-13-04, Luckyboy discusses a potential problem his supervisor is having which he believes may be caused by spyware. He suggests to his superior to download Ad-Aware and Spybot, which (if I understood correctly) was identified on "callingelvis911" as fairly effective, but not so hot in the sense that they too contain spyware.

    That's the conflict.

    Was the suggestion to the superior to use Ad-Aware and Spybot perhaps because they're free or low cost to obtain, or simply less problematic spyware removal programs than others out there? ...even though they themselves contain spyware?

    After reading the "callingelvis911" info, I would have thought he would have recommended PestPatrol with Norton. Until reading the IL post on 03-13-04, I was under the impression that Norton and PestPatrol are pretty much all that is (currently) needed to take a solid bite out of the spyware problem without adding (somewhat)to the problem through the use of Ad-Aware and Spybot.......

    I fully realize that nothing is perfect and his articles are simply sharing what he has found to be effective tools. (Geez, without his and others articles, I would not have been aware of several problems and remedies available on a wide variety of topics.)

    I don't know if others are seeking a better understanding of this as well, but my guess is that I'm probably not alone. Whatever light you can shed to help clear up some of the confusion between PestPatrol, Ad-Aware, Spybot, et.al. is, of course, greatly appreciated.

    Lastly and most importantly, thank you all very much for the continued help and support in so many, many ways.
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    Ask LuckyBoy he'll be dropping by. I personally use Spybot, AdAware6, and Spywareblaster since I saw that SteveV was using it.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RobertNighthawk:
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    Thanks, guys. I'll try and reach Luckyboy.
    Is there a way to reach him directly without creating a whole new thread?
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    My junk e-mail address is open to all who want it. And yes, I do read it and reply to civil requests...

    callingelvis911@yahoo.com

    This is how I replied to CaptDude's e-mail...

    Naw M8!!! You're alright here! The whole thing confuses me as well.

    As far as spyware goes, it comes down to a matter of personal choice. First you have to ask yourself, "Do I want this crap to get on my computer in the first place"? If the answer is hell no, then I'd click on the link at my site that takes you to Pest Patrol and buy it without another thought.

    If you simply want to manage it and be able to remove it when you want, then I'd use Spybot and Ad-aware freeware programs together. Then I'd click on that link to Pest patrolo at my web page and download their free scanner. It won't remove any spyware, but if you update Pest Patrol's free scan, delete all cookies including offline content and then run a scan Deep, complete (not the short version) of the Pest Patrol evaluation program just after you've run an updated Ad-aware and spybot scan, you can see if Pest Patrol can find anything that Ad-aware and spybot misses. If it doesn't find anything, then I'd keep your money in your pocket. If it does find things, then it becomes a judgement call that only you can make.

    Solutions for internet security & spyware problems... http://www.geocities.com/callingelvis911/s_s.html

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    Spyware Blaster is an outstanding spyware soultion.

    Common sense cannot be overlooked. The less-reputable the website you visit or the program you d/l, the more likely it's got some stowaways. 'You get what you pay for'

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    Well, I, uh, don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir.
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    Use the Immunize feature in Spybot...helps a ton
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    I also use PestPatrol on one of my machines(purchased after reading one of Lucky's diatribes) and it is superb. The other reason I am quick to buy this program is that I have had several instances of machines not even being able to access the internet because of this crap invading the machine and gumming the works.
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