Well, if they didn't make a merc pass out, then maybe dropping a few smoke grenades would be easier for you to swallow. i see how they could be considered "too effective" as a temporary barrier. especially in hospital at room 116: if you have one spy in the hall and he drops a smoke grenade @ the bottom of the stairs, behind & to the right and another at the bottom of the stairs, behind & to the left, then the mercs literally have a 0% chance of successfully stopping the spy defusing... but that's a very specific scenario (and i know a similar scenario gets repeated in deftech). You're right in the sense that multiple smoke grenades are extremely effective at hampering mercs, but i would argue that if you let the situation get that far out of control (as a merc), then you need to tighten up your defenses and make better use of the gadgets available to you. (the counter to the 116 issue is prevention and a smart downstairs patrol pattern. spies need time to set up an effective smoke screen, and the process can be disrupted by a merc spotting one of the spies).
I understand that, and I agree for the most part, but the one thing I have seen a few times which is hella hard to counter is when 2 spies go instantly to say 202, and one just continues smoking the hallway while the other decontaminates. its constant smoke from the time they hit the room to the time they jump out the window. Its really really hard to defeat, and even when you kill them with grenades, after while the grenades ae gone, then you literally cant stop it. Ive seen some teams devotedly do this on every level. In Deftech and museum, its 100% effective. You can beat it in hospital, but its like 70/30 for a loss.
This game is perfectly balanced, anyone that begs to differ has simply not learned the game in it's entirety.
Anyone that calls out "Cheater!" is only displaying HIS OWN player status... NOOB.
See COR, thats not entirely true, because there are hella shady tactics out that people use, especially in ranked games.
If you think that the double stomp or SS+Cam is perfectly balanced, then youre the one displaying your player status...cheap.
1st off, if you get landed on, it's your buddies job to make sure a spy isn't ready to do it again. It's called teamwork.
2nd, Don't get landed on. Carelessness leads to death.
3rd, Mercs have sound sensor, can get out of the camera gas sometimes, have a teamate to wake them up, AND have grenades to shoot off. I think it's fair.
YOU, my friend, having a personal problem with my theory, only states YOUR STAUS... FRUSTRATED AS HELL. lol
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Sorry, man, but for reason that the countless people on this board who actually have a ton of experience with the game have stated, neither of your two statements are valid.
You cant expect your teammate to bail you out, leaving the rest of the level open, and you cant escape the ss+cam, unless the spy messes it up, its that simple.
The fact is that you obviously cant believe that there might be some problem with this "perfect" game.
Either that, or you depend on these tactics to get by, and if they got patched, you would be unable to win.
And I dont think a guy who has a .83 overall win percentage could really be frustrated as hell...
You can escape the camera sometimes. I have even coughed and gotten away. Do you have any experience with the PC version?
Look, I've had my neck snapped about 10 times in 3 weeks, and have probably been killed by someone landing on me once or twice.
Other than that, make it hard for the spy to shoot you, they only have 7 shots... IT'S NOT THAT HARD. Once their gun is discharged, GO KILL THEM.
This isn't science, it's elementary.
If you do get knocked out from the gas, so what, shake it off, kill em next time.
The game is balanced, if spies use cheap tactics, they are lamers.
I don't use cheap tactics, and I don't "double jump". Just because I think the game is balanced, doesn't mean I don't think there are cheap players out there.
AND if a spy double jumps you, he has a 10 second head start to get outta there... thats it! It's not the end of the world.
As far as many of the PC version players on this board have attested, the SS+cam is invincible if done properly. I can only say what I have heard confirmed by 50 people on this board.
On Xbox, its much less effective. And I dont have a problem with any tactic, but there are things about the game that arent balanced, plain as that.
Theres nothing that you can say to convince me that someone should be able to repeatedly jump on someone who has no control at all? I mean if you want to do that go and play mario.
I probably havent had any of these tactic done on me in over a week, becasue i am proficient with my taser, grenades, visions and gun. But that doesnt mean that these tactics are fair or ethical.
I think someone who consistantly beats these tactics should be the first person to pass judgement on them, dont you?