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    XyZspineZyX
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    I've played through the demo more times than I can count and beaten it many times on elite (including once with my entire team dead and no ammo left for any of my weapons...but that's another story). In all that time, not once have I been able to effectively use either the open/flash or open/frag commands. Every time I try one of these, the dude throws open the door, stands in it, and gets waxed while he throws the grenade. At the very best, my team will successfully clear the room but take a bunch of hits. Has anyone else had better luck with this? Am I doing something wrong? It's going to blow if these two commands are useless in the final game.

    Breach&clear works great though...
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    XyZspineZyX
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    I've played through the demo more times than I can count and beaten it many times on elite (including once with my entire team dead and no ammo left for any of my weapons...but that's another story). In all that time, not once have I been able to effectively use either the open/flash or open/frag commands. Every time I try one of these, the dude throws open the door, stands in it, and gets waxed while he throws the grenade. At the very best, my team will successfully clear the room but take a bunch of hits. Has anyone else had better luck with this? Am I doing something wrong? It's going to blow if these two commands are useless in the final game.

    Breach&clear works great though...
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    XyZspineZyX
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    best thing to do , is to make em frag/flash on zulu.
    so they get ready with the nade and press the white button so they execute zulu. but right as he tries to open the door, let him open it a little and immediately after he opens hold the d-pad down button and it should work. although it sometimes is a pain in the ***, im sure itll be a blast online when you and your teammates actually do this correct, maybe its fixed in the final version tho.

    hope i helped, thats what i do.
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    XyZspineZyX
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    That's very clever, but booooooo for Ubisoft if that's what you have to do to make it work well in the final version. I don't have very high hopes, however, since it's not like they are coding the AI from scratch and just haven't perfected it yet. This is a port, remember?

    What was the open/frag and open/flash AI like in the PC version? Were they highly effective commands that you end up using often in that version?
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    XyZspineZyX
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    i actually used it quite effectively in the sewer....

    1)there was a guy on a set of stairs, and i would take bullets every time i proceeded to them because id go in his sight then have to turn around and make sure im targeting him........ so one time i just threw a grenade and it blew him off the stairs......

    2)also in the sewers, the always hid behind stuff, and they would hide for minutes at a time, and it got boring so i just threw a grenade rather than just wait for the terrorist to come out....

    now ive never used the flashbang, but i HAVE used the frag and red phosphorus (sp?)

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    XyZspineZyX
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    Thanks, but I am referring specifically to instances where your team member opens a DOOR to throw a flash or frag through. Can we hear from some other people?
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    lol its not a port.
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    XyZspineZyX
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    Well, I am aware that the story is new, and that a lot of other changes have been made to better fit the console, but I was not aware that they were scrapping the PC AI code for things like open/frag/clear and starting from scratch. Am I wrong to expect the open/frag/clear procedure to work as effectively as it did in the PC version?
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    Yes this feature is completely messed up... In real life if they did open a door to flash or frag it... they would all line up against the wall... ready to enter as a UNIT of soldiers... not a group of complete and total wankers... they just stand there and take hits before they even pull the pin...why cant they just sort of toss them, in slightly open doors... if only I cared about these idiots coming with me... at least in old rainbow games they were all sort of extra lives with crazy different weapons... now they are just moron's who follow me around... and I remember when they would actually kill targets before I could zero them in my sights... now they have trouble hitting the walls of the sewer... But they do help with the last room of the demo... and Breach and Clear is really sweet to use... Despite my complaints I will be picking this one up...
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    XyZspineZyX
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    First thing it's NOT a port, this Rainbow Six 3, NOT Rainboow Six 3:Raven Shield or Rogue Spear or etc.

    Second: don't open and flash with team, DO IT YOURSELF!!

    ....and bergeyman, how come yo get shot all the time in the sewers!! LOL, just run, aim and shoot. You got bad aiming probably.
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