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I actually I like campers, it gives me more of a reason to use nades ^_^.
AHHHHH PHONE BOOKS!!!!
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It depends on the rest of your team, unfortunately this is a team game where people rarely play as a team. If your team mostly go on the attack and someone stays behind, it is just making make likely that you will lose (the attack is a man short, and you will not be able to hold out on your own for long). The biggest issue is CSL, as it is the only map (so far) where a single guy can effective camp on his own, I don't think the other maps have a single place that can not be approached in at least two directions (other than the cells in Prison, but there you are just asking for someone to grenade you..).
I have to admitt that while it may be annoying to those who are dead and waiting to watch a guy sit behind a box watching some stairs, for the opposition still playing it is great fun. It is a CT game, and if you can not work out how to take out that last guy (especially if there is more than one of you left) maybe you should consider a different game. If I am killed by a camper, thay is my fault, and if I can get up there and take him out, that just feels good... Good example, I was playing and there was some clan people on my team, we were in the situation above (one enemy left upstairs in the red base). When we got to the groud floor of the red base I said "Wait" on teamspeak and got out my flash bangs. The clan guys picked up the idea quick enough, and immediately after I though up a couple of FBs they charged up and took out the now blinded camper... Great when it works..
I have been there, last guy left on the map, loads of opposition running about, you find yourself somewhere to dig in to try and even up the odds a little (though I personally have learned that staying mobile but out of sight gives you a longer life expectancy).
I have little patience which means I will never camp for very long if nothing happens (usually a get up and move a second before some comes around the corner I was watching...[img]/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif[/img] )
There is another issue as well, success... I have never seen a camper that won a round for his team kicked.. But if you continually let your team down, don't expect any forgiveness.
What I find odd is, if you have 2 players and one always camps and the other always rushes. Ig the rusher keeps winning then all is well with the world, but if the camper keeps winning, then he is at fault for playing 'badly'..?????
Well, enough rambling.. If server hosts dislike campers so much, why is it hard to find good PILOT game??
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"Bunch of %â£&*ing campers...."
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the problem is that ppl who camp usually stay alive and slow the gameplay down. ppl are waiting almost 5 minuites for a coward who doesnt like to die.
~Rage
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When I play, Honestly I do play to have fun like you, but I also take into consideration how the other team plays. If they are having trouble clearing rooms and things I'll go outside for them. If they camp then I try to make their camping experience fun (while still trying to kill them). If they like to go all out and run around like an idiot, most of the time I won't sit back and wait for them to come, I'll try to make it very close game.
Now for camping, If I DO camp, its only until I get a kill, If I win the round as soon as I pitch, I probably won't return to the tactic. Do you see what I mean?
I try to keep the game as close as possible. I want all the team members to cheer at the end because it looked like the skill was so close, and its not obvious that you suck *** at the game.
I guess just etiquette? is that what I mean? I just don't like to kill the sh|t out of people in the worst way, because the moralle is terrible the next game, and usually ends up in an abrupt close of the server, or you got kicked =)
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aetre wrote:
- When I play, Honestly I do play to have fun like
- you, but I also take into consideration how the
- other team plays. If they are having trouble
- clearing rooms and things I'll go outside for them.
- If they camp then I try to make their camping
- experience fun (while still trying to kill them). If
- they like to go all out and run around like an
- idiot, most of the time I won't sit back and wait
- for them to come, I'll try to make it very close
- game.
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uhhh...so prettymuch you are running in front of the enemy saying "Kill me, kill me!"
i dont read you man
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The biggest problem with camping is that if EVERYONE does it, there's no game. You can't argue with that, so if you camp EVERY single time, yes, you're a borderline cheater simply because you're forcing someone who just wants to have fun playing RS into a very underhanded position.
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I think people in general mis-interpet ambushing for camping. I view a camper as someone who sits in a spot for the entire round in a bottle neck area waiting for that one kill. I dont have a problem with that because a true "camper" usually doesnt use differnt spots and can be dealt with if you use your brains. Now you have an "ambusher", the guy that knows the other team likes to rush on CSL and sets up claymores/C4 at the door because in all honesty its easy and youll probably end up getting 2 kills at the least. Ambushers know when to move, notice tendancies and mix up their attcks/ambushes at different spots. You also have snipers, it doesnt make sense to me for snipers to be mobile unless they have to (if spotted etc). It seems to me that the majority of people that cry "camper" usually dont know how they got killed or assume the person was there the entire round. I also find that a lot of rushers refuse to mix up thier rush patterns. Most dudes will cross CSL the same exact way each round and when the other team adjusts and sets up traps they complain. Ive seen it time and time again and its quite amusing. Also there are times when "camping" is totally justified. If I am the last letf in my squad and I know that there may be 2 or more enemies around its probably best to lay in wait concealed and pick them off one at a time. Also if wounded its not practical to stay on the move, if you do engage in a fire fight youre at a big disadvantage mobility wise and health wise. I think adjustments and noticing tendancies would help most of the people who cry camper. If you know someone is camping somewhere why do you still continue to rush into the room?
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I am pro-camping, we can't argue that camping is a tactic but to do it well is not easy, on these maps there are very few really good camping spots and I know from experience that a good runner can make short work of a camper and facing two campers (aka snipers) always gives a fun firefight.
Any team game is dependant on several styles of play mixing to be victorious, all runners can win if the runners are really good, a team of campers will be hard pressed to win, but R6 games are not like Unreal or Quake, R6 is about knowing your own strengths and weeknessess and knowing your enemy, if your enemy runs carelessly a camper is usefull but if your enemy is methodical and careful a casmper is a bad idea.
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." -- Abraham Lincoln
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smegsmegsmeg wrote:
- IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a
- weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4
- of them and suddenly they werent winning so like
- little girls they kicked me.
- Sever is !!LOADED!!
- They are just girls they cant stand it when someone
- beats them so they have to kick.
- LEARN TO DEAL WITH EVERY KIND OF THREAT
- YOU ARE WEAK
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i know exactly what your saying man. I'm an average player so far (havent played a R6 game in ages). Well, I was playing as GREEN (hate the green side), and the red team were swarming our side of the map, constantly. I said forget about run and gun, theres too many of them. I sat back, c4'd the door. As soon as the door opened, KABLOOOEY! he's dead. The next guy peaks from behind the smoke, Rata tat, hes dead. One more guy charges through, Rata tat tat, hes dead. Go upstairs, boobytrap the other door, another fool falls for the trap, KABLOOOEY again, we win the round.
Now next round, my own teammate (who by the way doesnt congratulate me in any way, and I am also under the impression he has the power to kick me, cause he restarted one of the rounds) tells me to "try not to camp". I'm like WTF?!?!?!? I just won the round and he tells me to try not to camp. green had 5 people, and red had 8 people. I said alright I'll try. But in all reality, ***K what anybody says, camping is apart of the game, and not one person should have to change their habits or whatever works for them, just cause some impatient little ***tard cant wait 2 ***KlNG MINUTES!! Thats utter BULLSHlT. And that is my $.01.
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It's odd, but I don't mind waiting the 2-3 mins of the rest of a game if I got killed early...
But waiting that extra 10 seconds because one person can not be bothered to press ready really pisses me off....
Like I said... odd...
Anyway, as was said above, it is about having fun... One thing I wish would start happening in the RvS community is something that happens all the time in MoHAA. When there is only two guys left, they normally challenge each other to a pistol duel at a set location on the map... Makes thing more fun for all whether dead and alive...
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Here is a mental image for you; it's the battle of Agincourt the French Knights are looking out at the British Longbow men awaiting them. They charge down the field and start to fall under a hail of arrows. From deep within the French lines a new insult is heard for the first time....
"Bunch of %â£&*ing campers...."
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