I seen photos of them with 2x upper cowl 7.62 and 2 outer wing cannon, Im not sure which version of the 108 it was but they were armed photos recons over russia. I will have to scan them

that was like a speedy storch type of thing?
liason plane


<123_GWood_JG123> NO SPAM!

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Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I thought you registerd before the new movies came out, I guess not and I forgot when that was.

Bah I am thinking Classic Baltar

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This has long been my internet handle and I named myself after the Classic Baltar...my question was that cockpit looks nice but has someone modelled the body to go with it?

Mea culpa, the Ju-88 (also in late stages of development, I might add) was an oversight.

As for the Italian planes, they're irrelevant to a GERMAN plane discussion, nicht wahr? They're ITALIAN, after all.

But the point still stands... it's not so much that we don't have ENOUGH LW planes...it's that the ones we HAVE are highly representative....yet they've been craftily "crippled" in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.

Model them correctly and the pilots won't be pining for others, they'll do their jobs just fine until a time period when they were outclassed by finer machines (and in greater numbers, too).

Stiglr,
Your such a kill-joy for decent conversation. lets concentrate on improving the game by a dding a variety of new planes to an already wonderful game.

On another note...
I had no idea that there were so many different planes used by the Germans! It would be great to have so many to choose from! Hey LeadSpitter, how about some descriptions for those aircraft!

Go vote:
do you want MPH?



Mmmm... Cookies!!!

Lead spitter u missed a few.
Arado Ar 197 #
Arado Ar 240 # (4)
Ar 240A (5)
Ar 240B (2)
Ar 240C (4)
Ar 240C-1 (some of 40 production orders for C-1 to C-4 were completed before project was cancelled)
Ar 240C-2 (proposal only)
Arado Ar 440 # (4) (1 was a converted Ar 240. project cancelled)
Arado Ar 68F
Bachem Ba 349 Natter #
Ba 349A (36)
Ba 349B (1)
Bloch MB.157 # * (1)
Blohm und Voss Bv 155 #
BV 155A-1 (1)
BV 155B (1 plus 1 incomplete)
BV 155C (1)
Dornier Do 17Z-6 Krauz I (1)
Do 17Z-10 Krauz II (9)
Dornier Do 215B-5
Dornier Do 217J-1 (157 J series)
Do 217J-2
Do 217N-1
Do 217N-2
Dornier Do 231 # (cancelled project)
Dornier Do 335 Pfiel #
Do 335A (9)
Do 335A-0 (10)
Do 335A-1
Do 335A-4
Do 335A-6
Do 335A-10 (1)
Do 335A-12 (1)
Do 335B-1
Do 335B-2 (2)
Do 335B-3 (proposal only)
Do 335B-4 (proposal only)
Do 335B-6 (proposal only)
Do 335B-7 (proposal only)
Do 335B-8 (proposal only)
Dornier Do 445 # (proposal only)
Dornier Do 535 # (proposal only)
Focke-Wulf FW 57 #
Focke-Wulf FW 187 Falke
FW 187A (6)
FW 187A-0 (3)
Focke-Wulf FW 190 (20,087 all variants)
FW 190V # (86 some Ta 152)
FW 190A-0 (11)
FW 190A-1 (100)
FW 190A-2
FW 190A-3
FW 190A-3/U-1
FW 190A-3/U-3
FW 190A-3/U-7
FW 190A-3/Trop
FW 190A-4
FW 190A-4/U1
FW 190A-4/R6
FW 190A-4/U8
FW 190A-4/Trop
FW 190A-5
FW 190A-5/R6
FW 190A-5/U2
FW 190A-5/U3
FW 190A-5/U6
FW 190A-5/U8
FW 190A-5/U10 #
FW 190A-5/U11
FW 190A-5/U12
FW 190A-5/U13
FW 190A-5/U16
FW 190A-5/U17 # (prototype 190F-3)
FW 190A-5/Trop
FW 190A-6
FW 190A-6/R1
FW 190A-6/R2
FW 190A-6/R3
FW 190A-6/R4
FW 190A-6/R6
FW 190A-6/Trop
FW 190A-7
FW 190A-7/R1
FW 190A-7/R2
FW 190A-7/R3
FW 190A-7/R4
FW 190A-7/R6
FW 190A-7/Trop
FW 190A-8
FW 190A-8/R1
FW 190A-8/R2
FW 190A-8/R3
FW 190A-8/R4
FW 190A-8/R6
FW 190A-8/R7
FW 190A-8/R11
FW 190A-8/R12
FW 190A-9
FW 190A-9/R1
FW 190A-9/R2
FW 190A-9/R3
FW 190A-9/R4
FW 190A-9/R6
FW 190A-9/R11
FW 190A-9/R12
FW 190A-9/Trop
FW 190A-10 #
FW 190B # (3 converted from 190A-1)
FW 190B-1 (1 incomplete)
FW 190C-0 # (6, 1 converted from 190A-0)
FW 190D-0 (10 converted from A-7s)
FW 190D-9
FW 190D-9/R11
FW 190D-10 (2 converted from 190D-0s)
FW 190D-11 (7)
FW 190D-12
FW 190D-12/R5
FW 190D-12/R11
FW 190D-12/R21
FW 190D-12/R25
FW 190D-13
FW 190D-13/R5
FW 190D-13/R11
FW 190D-13/R21
FW 190D-13/R25
FW 190D-14 (2, 1 each converted from 190D-9 and 190D-12)
FW 190D-15 proposal only (conversions of 190A-8 and 190F-8)
FW 190F-1
FW 190F-2
FW 190F-3
FW 190F-3/R1
FW 190F-3/R3
FW 190F-8
FW 190F-8/R1
FW 190F-8/R2
FW 190F-8/R3
FW 190F-8/R5
FW 190F-8/R8
FW 190F-8/R11
FW 190F-8/R14
FW 190F-8/R15
FW 190F-8/R16
FW 190F-9
FW 190F-10 proposal only
FW 190F-11 proposal only
FW 190F-12 proposal only
FW 190F-13 proposal only
FW 190F-14 proposal only
FW 190F-15 # (1)
FW 190F-16 # (1)
FW 190G-0
FW 190G-1
FW 190G-2
FW 190G-3
FW 190G-4
FW 190G-7 proposal only
FW 190G-8
FW 190H-1 proposal only
Focke-Wulf Ta 152
Ta 152A-1 proposal only
Ta 152A-2 proposal only
Ta 152B-1 proposal only
Ta 152B-2 proposal only
Ta 152B-3 proposal only
Ta 152B-4 proposal only
Ta 152B-4/R2 proposal only
Ta 152B-5 (1)
Ta 152B-5/R11 (3)
Ta 152C (3)
Ta 152C-0 (3 total 152C-0 and 152C-1)
Ta 152C-1
Ta 152H (3 converted from 190V)
Ta 152H-0 (20 total 152H-0)
Ta 152H-0/R11
Ta 152H-0/R21
Ta 152H-0/R31
Ta 152H-1 (1 converted from 152E-2, plus about 12)
Focke-Wulf Ta 153 # (1 converted from Ta 152H)
Focke-Wulf Ta 154 #
Heinkel He 100 #
Heinkel He 162 #
Heinkel He 219
Heinkel He 280 #
Junkers Ju 388J # (3 converted from Ju 188J)
Junkers Ju 88 C-1 (3,200+ C-series)
Ju 88C-1 (cancelled project)
Ju 88C-2
Ju 88C-3
Ju 88C-4
Ju 88C-5
Ju 88C-6
Ju 88C-6b
Ju 88C-6c
Ju 88C-7a
Ju 88C-7b
Ju 88C-7c
Ju 88G-1 (about 800 G-series)
Ju 88G-4
Ju 88G-6a
Ju 88G-6b
Ju 88G-6c
Ju 88G-7a
Ju 88G-7b
Ju 88G-7c
Ju 88H-2
Ju 88Nbwe (1)
Horten Ho 1X / Gotha Go 229 #
Macchi MC 205*
Messerschmitt Bf 109
Messerschmitt Bf 110
Messerschmitt Me 155 #
Me 155A (1)
Me 155B (project only - transfered to Blohm und Voss)
Messerschmitt Me 163
Messerschmitt Me 209 #
Messerschmitt Me 210 / 410
Messerschmitt Me 262
Messerschmitt Me 263 #
Messerschmitt Me 309 #
Messerschmitt Me 310 #
Messerschmitt Me 328 #



German Aircraft
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Bomber, Ground Attack and Torpedo Aircraft
Arado Ar 234 (214)
Ar 234A #
Ar 234B-0
Ar 234B-1
Ar 234B-2
Ar 234C
Ar 234C-1
Ar 234C-2
Ar 234C-3
Ar 234C-3/N (proposal only)
Ar 234C-4
Ar 234C-5
Ar 234C-6 (proposal only)
Ar 234C-7
Ar 234C-8 (proposal only)
Ar 234D (10)
Ar 234D-1 (proposal only)
Ar 234D-2 (proposal only)
Ar 234P (proposal only)
Ar 234P-1 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-2 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-3 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-4 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-5 (proposal only)
Arado Ar 240C-3 (some of 40 production orders for C-1 to C-4 were completed before project was cancelled)
Arado Ar 66C
Arado Ar 95A ^ (6)
Caproni CA.314*
Dornier Do 17 (1730 total all types)
Do 17E-1
Do 17L (2)
Do 17M (2)
Do 17M-1
Do 17R (2)
Do 17U-0/U-1 (15)
Do 17Z (1,700 total)
Do 17Z-0
Do 17Z-1
Do 17Z-2
Do 17Z-5
Do 17Z
Dornier 215 (18 originally built as 215 A-1 for Sweden)
Do 215B-0
Do 215B-1
Dornier Do 217
Do 217C (5)
Do 217E-1
Do 217E-2
Do 217E-3
Do 217E-4
Do 217E-5
Do 217H (1 converted from E model)
Do 217K-1
Do 217K-2
Do 217K-3
Do 217L (2 converted from K models)
Do 217M-1
Do 217M-3
Do 217M-5
Do 217M-11
Do 217R (5 converted from Do 317 protoypes)
Dornier Do 317 # (6)
Feisler Fi 103R (175 approx)
Fi 103R-IV
Feisler Fi 167
Fi 167A (2)
Fi 167A-0 (12)
Fiat CR.42* (?)
Focke-Wulf FW 189C (2)
FW 189A-4
Focke-Wulf FW 190A-5/U14 torpedo
FW 190A-5/U15 (3) torpedo
FW 198A-8/U3 mistel
FW 190A-8/U11 torpedo
FW 190F-8/U2 torpedo bomb
FW 190F-8/U3 torpedo bomb
FW 190F-8/14 torpedo
Focke-Wulf FW 191 #
Focke-Wulf FW 200
Fokker C.VD* (less than 49)
Gotha Go 145
Heinkel He 111
Heinkel He 118 # (research)
Heinkel He 177
Heinkel He 274 #
Heinkel He 277 #
Henschel Hs 123
Henschel Hs 129
Henschel Hs 132 #
Junkers Ef 61 #
Junkers Ju 187 # (proposal only derived from Ju 87F)
Junkers Ju 188 (1,036)
Ju 188V # (2)
Ju 188A-2
Ju 188A-3
Ju 188E-1
Ju 188E-2
Ju 188S-1
Junkers Ju 287 # (1)
Junkers Ju 288B # (cancelled project)
Junkers Ju 290 (41 total includes transports)
Ju 290A-1 (about 12)
Ju 290A-2
Ju 290A-3
Ju 290A-4
Ju 290A-5
Ju 290A-7
Ju 290A-8
Ju 290A-9
Ju 290B-1 # (1)
Junkers Ju 388
Ju 388K-0 (10)
Ju 388K-1 (5)
Junkers Ju 390 # (2)
Junkers Ju 488 # (1 incomplete)
Ju 488A # (1 incomplete)
Junkers Ju 52/3mg3e ^ (?)
Junkers Ju 86D-1 ^ (5)
Ju 86E-1 (?)
Ju 86E-2 (?)
Ju 86G-1 (40)
Ju 86P-1# (1)
Ju 86R-2 # (? a few)
Junkers Ju 87 Stuka (5,709 total)
Ju 87A-1 ^ (3)
Ju 87B-1 (B models about 1,300 of total)
Ju 87B-2
Ju 87C-1 (carrier version. all converted to B-2 models)
Ju 87D-1
Ju 87D-2
Ju 87D-3
Ju 87D-5
Ju 87D-7
Ju 87F # (proposal only. became Ju 187)
Ju 87G-1 (converted from D-3)
Ju 87R (converted B-2)
Junkers Ju 88 (14,780 total)
Ju 88A-1 (probably 7,000+ A-series)
Ju 88A-2
Ju 88A-4
Ju 88A-5
Ju 88A-6
Ju 88A-6/U
Ju 88A-7
Ju 88A-8
Ju 88A-9
Ju 88A-10
Ju 88A-11
Ju 88A-13
Ju 88A-14
Ju 88A-15
Ju 88A-17
Ju 88E-0 # (basis of Ju 188)
Ju 88P-1 (about 30 P-series)
Ju 88P-2
Ju 88P-3
Ju 88P-4
Ju 88S-0
Ju 88S-1
Ju 88S-2
Ju 88S-3
Junkers Ju 88 Mistel (about 250)
Mistal 1 (Ju 88A-4 and Bf 109F)
Mistal 2 (Ju 88G-1 and FW 190A-6)
Mistel 3A (Ju 88A-6 and FW 190A-6)
Mistel 3B (Ju 88G-10 and FW 190A-8/U3)
Mistel 3C (Ju 88H-4 and FW 190A-8/U3)
Mistal (Ju 88G-7 and Ta 152H)
Messerschmitt Me 264 #
Piaggio P.108*


German Aircraft
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Transport, Reconnaissance and Communication Aircraft
Aero A.304*
Amiot 354* (4)
Arado Ar 232 # (2)
Ar 232B (20)
Arado Ar 240C-4 (some of 40 production orders for C-1 to C-4 were completed before project was cancelled)
Armstrong Whitworth A.W.27 Ensign* (2)
Benes Mraz Be.51* (? "small number")
Bloch MB.162* (1)
Bloch MB.220* (?)
Blohm und Voss BV 141
BV 141A (5)
BV 141B (5)
Blohm und Voss BV 142 (4)
Blohm und Voss BV 250 # (1 partly completed)
Caproni Ca.313G* (905 ordered - only a small number delivered)
Caudron C.445* (54 + "considerable numbers")
Doblhoff WNF 342 #
Dornier Do 17F-1
Do 17S-0 (3)
Do 17P
Do 17P-1
Do 17Z-3 (22)
Dornier Do 19 # (1)
Dornier Do 200 (Boeing B 17)*
Dornier 215B-4
Dornier Do 217A-0 (8)
Do 217P (1)
Do 217P-0 (3)
Dornier Do 635 # (twin Do 335 project only)
Douglas DC 3* (? some seized)
Fiat G.12* (? "considerable number")
Fiat G.18* (3)
Fiesler Fi 156 (total almost 2,900)
Fi 156A-0 (10)
Fi 156A-1
Fi 156B (project only)
Fi 156B-1
Fi 156C-0 (converted from A-1)
Fi 156C-2
Fi 156C-3
Fi 156C-3/Trop
Fi 156C-5
Fi 156D-0
Fi 156D-1
Fi 156E-0 (10)
Focke-Wulf FW 189 Uhu (864 total - some exported)
FW 189A-0 (10)
FW 189A-1
FW 189A-1/Trop
FW 189A-1/U2
FW 189A-1/U3
FW 189A-2
FW 189F-1
FW 189F-2
Focke-Wulf FW 190A-3/U4
FW 190A-4/U4
FW 190A-5/U4
FW 190E proposal only
Focke-Wulf Ta 152E-1 (2)
Ta 152E-2 (1)
Ta 152H-10 (1 incomplete)
Focke-Wulf FW 47
FW 47C (20+)
FW 47D (11)
Gotha Go 244
Heinkel He 116
Heinkel He 178 #
Heinkel He 60
Heinkel He 70
Henschel Hs 126
Henschel Hs 130 #
Junkers Ju 188
Ju 188D-1
Ju 188D-2
Ju 188F-2
Ju 188T-1
Junkers Ju 252 A (15)
Junkers Ju 290 (41 total includes bombers)
Ju 290A-0 (2)
Ju 290A-6
Junkers Ju 352 Herkules
Ju 352 # (12)
Ju 352A (33)
Junkers Ju 388L (47)
Junkers Ju 52 3m (4,835 ?)
Ju 52 3mg3e
Ju 52 3mg4e
Ju 52 3mg5e
Ju 52 3mg6e
Ju 52 3mg7e
Ju 52 3mg8e
Ju 52 3mg9e
Ju 52 3mg10e
Ju 52 3mg11e
Ju 52 3mg12e
Ju 52 3mg13e
Ju 52 3mg14e
Junkers Ju 86P-2 # (1)
Ju 86R-1 # (? few)
Junkers Ju 88B-0 # (10)
Ju 88D-0
Ju 88D-2
Ju 88D-3
Ju 88D-4
Ju 88D-5
Ju 88H-1
Ju 88H-3
Ju 88D-4
Ju 88T-1
Ju 88T-3
Junkers Ju W 34
Lioret et Olivier LeO 451T * (about 50)
Messerschmitt Bf 108
Messerschmitt Me 261 #
Messerschmitt Me 323
Savoia Marchetti SM 75* (?)
Savoia Marchetti SM 82* (? "several")
Schemp-Hirth Go 9 # (1) research aircraft
SIAMAN 200* (?)
Siebel Fh 104 Hallore
SNCAC Si 204* (Siebel Si 204)

German Aircraft
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Rotorcraft
Baumgartl Heliofly III #
Flettner Fl 265 (6)
Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri (24)
Focke-Achgelis Fa 223 Drache (18)
Focke-Anchgelis Fa 330 Bachstelze (200 approx)


German Aircraft
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Gliders
Blohm und Voss BV 40 # (6)
DFS 228 #
DFS 230
DFS 230 V7 #
DFS 331 #
DFS Fa 225 #
Feisler Fi 103R-I #
Gotha Go 242
Gotha Go 345
Junkers Ju 322 #
Kalkert Ka 430 #
Messerschmitt Me 321


German Aircraft
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Seaplanes
Arado Ar 196 (500+)
Ar 196A # (2)
Ar 196A-0 (10)
Ar 196A-1 (20)
Ar 196A-2
Ar 196A-3 (main production version)
Ar 196A-4 (24)
Ar 196A-5
Ar 196B # (2)
Ar 196B-0
Ar 196C (cancelled project)
Arado Ar 231 # (6)
Arado Ar 95A-1 (training)
Blohm und Voss BV 138
BV 138A-0 (6)
BV 138A-1 (25)
BV 138B-0 (small number converted from A-0 model)
BV 138B-1 (21)
BV 138C-1 (227)
BV 138 MS (small number converted from B-0 model)
Blohm und Voss 139 - see Ha 139 below
Blohm und Voss BV 222
BV 222A (7)
BV 222B (proposal only)
BV 222C (6 plus 4 under construction)
BV 222D (project abandoned 1 completed as C model)
Blohm und Voss BV 238 #
BV 238A (1 plus two partly completed)
BV 238B (project only)
Blohm und Voss FGP 227 # (1)
Breguet Bre.521 Bizerte*
Dornier Do 15 #
Dornier Do 18 (100+)
Do 18D-0
Do 18D-1
Do 18D-2
Do 18D-3
Do 18G-1
Do 18H (trainer)
Do 18N-1
Dornier Do 24 *
Do 24V # (3)
Do 24K-1
Do 24K-2
Do 24N-1 (11 modified from Dutch K-2)
Do 24T-1 (159 T series + some of 46 built in France)
Do 24T-2
Do 24T-3
Dornier Do 26
Do 26A (2)
Do 26D (4)
Dornier Do 318 # (1 modified from Do 24)
Focke-Wulf FW 58W
Focke-Wulf Fw 62 #
Focke-Wulf FW 189D (proposal only completed as B-0 model)
Hamburger Flugzeubau Ha 139 (BV 139)
Ha 139A (2)
Ha 139B/MS (1)
Heinkel He 114
Heinkel He 115
Heinkel He 115
Heinkel He 119 #
Heinkel He 59
Lioret et Olivier LeO H.246* (6)


German Aircraft
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Training Aircraft
Albatros L.68 (Nationalsozialistische Fliegerkorps)
Albatros L.75A (Nationalsozialistische Fliegerkorps)
? Albatros L.100 (Nationalsozialistische Fliegerkorps)
Arado Ar 396 #
Arado Ar 66C
Arado Ar 68F
Ar 68H # (1)
Arado Ar 76A
Arado Ar 96 (11,500+)
Ar 96A
Ar 96B
Ar 96B-1
Ar 96B-2
Ar 96C #
Arado 396 (none delivered by war's end)
Ar 396A-1
Ar 396A-2
Avia B.534*
Avia B.71*
Bloch MB.155*
Bloch MB.175*
Bloch MB.200* (?)
Bucker Bu 131
Bucker Bu 133
Bucker Bu 181
Caudron C.630* (65)
Caudron C.714* (about 20)
Dewoitine D520*
Dornier Do 17Z-4
Doswiadczalne Warsztaty Lotnicze R.W.D.8* (?)
Feisler Fi 103R-II (approx 175 all Fi 103R)
Fi 103R-III
Fiat CR.20 bis*
Focke-Wulf FW 44 Steiglitz (?)
FW 44B
FW 44E
FW 44C
FW 44D
FW 44F
FW 44J
Focke-Wulf FW 56 Stösser
FW 56A-0 (3)
FW 56A-1 (approx 1,000 total some exported)
Focke-Wulf FW 58 Weihe (1350 total, many exported)
FW 58B (4)
FW 58B-1
FW 58B-2
FW 58C
Focke-Wulf 189A-3 (limited numbers)
FW 189B-0 (3)
FW 189B-1 (10)
Focke-Wulf 190A-8/U1 (3)
FW 190F-8/U1 proposal only
Fokker G.1A*
G.1B*
Fokker T.VIII*
Gotha Go 145
Heinkel He 45
Heinkel He 46
Heinkel He 49
Heinkel He 50
Heinkel He 51
Heinkel He 72
Junkers Ju 87 Stuka (about 200 A-series)
Ju 87A-1
Ju 87A-2
Ju 87 H (converted D models)
Junkers Ju 88 A-3
Ju 88 A-12
Ju 88 A-16
Junkers Ju 88 Mistel
Mistal S-1 (Ju 88A-4 and Bf 109F)
Mistal S-2 (Ju 88G-1 and FW 190A-6)
Mistel S-3A (Ju 88A-6 and FW 190A-6)
Klemm Kl 35
Letov S 328*
Nardi F.N. 316* (7)
Panstwowe Zaklady Lotnicze P.Z.L. P7* (about 50)
Podlaska Wytwornia Samolotow P.W.S.26* (?)
Potez 63.11* (100+)
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt*
Skoda-Kauba SK.257* (6 - rejected from service)
Tupolev ANT 40* ("most of 111 seized")


see for more info on other country's this site!!http://users.senet.com.au/~mhyde/ww2_aircraft_title.htm

That is incredible...
but here's a question for you, how many of them actually saw considerable use?



Mmmm... Cookies!!!

my list is ones that seen service with kills or losses, that other list looks like every single german aircraft ever made.

Although i bet alot of them seen more service then the go229 and the i185 ta152 only one combat mission seeing no enemy engaugements

This list is of a lot of planes that where used by the germans. (look on the link i gave)

All of them saw use. Except for the ones that never left the drawing board. But for the more exotic ones u must think traingschool, freightplanes etc. (and even on this list there are some planes missing)


Leadspitter
the ju287 making an operational sortie? u certain?

No.
The made test-flights with a few models until it was dropped.
The RLM needed more capacity for fighter-ac.
But it was further developed; even a jet-powered version made its way to the drawing boards
(Ju-287 S-0).

yeah flight of 4 seen one bombing mission, one got hit with heavy flak. this is the damaged engine photo.

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Originally posted by Baltar:
I'd like to see....

Flyable:

MC.202
MC.205
Re.2000
Re.2005
Hs-123
Hs-129
Fw-189
Ar-234
He-219

AI:

He-177
Ju-188
Ju-388
Do-17
Savoia-Marchetti 79

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Great list!

Im sorry, am i the only one who would like to
fly the FW 189 Owl?

Thx D00d!

I'd also like to see the Fiat G.55 (as I said earlier)...in fact, that is probably the plane I'd MOST like to see in FB right now...

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hehehe....is there a body to go along with that?

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LOL I thought you were talking about the new Cylon uber models.

G.55 and at least one or two MC are coming. When they come, our Axis simmers will run from German planes like how people will run from the US Dollar when they put Clinton or Bush on the US Dollar.

-- just kidding...about running from German planes.



__________________
Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack


"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox

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Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
my list is ones that seen service with kills or losses, that other list looks like every single german aircraft ever made.

Although i bet alot of them seen more service then the go229 and the i185 ta152 only one combat mission seeing no enemy engaugements



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If you are refering to the Ta 152 H 1 think your exaggerating just a little. Ta 152 H1 did see service with JG 301 and has around nine or ten victories to it's credit and some losses. Your point may have been better made by not including this aircraft.

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Stiglr,
Your such a kill-joy for decent conversation. lets concentrate on improving the game by a dding a variety of new planes to an already wonderful game.

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I'm not a kill-joy for decent conversation. I'm just an advocate for accurate historical flight simming.

Your reaction is typical of the "gamer-rot" attitude that is prevalent throughout this community. All ills will be solved by adding one more plane to the mix, whether it belongs or not, never mind the fact that the other 70 or so have serious modeling flaws.

As you can infer from that big list above, we HAVE all the representative German planes (except for the Ju-88, which is almost with us). The German planeset was limited by their production; it's basically the 109, the 110, the 190, the Stuka, the He-111, and the Ju-88. Those were the workhorses and account for probably over 80% of total German production if you tote them all up. All the others are fairly insignificant in number (with the sole exception of the Me262, which had a significant IMPACT on technology, despite its late appearance and low numbers).

German players should not hunger at all for a selection of good, competitive (if not worldbeater-quality at the early stages of the war) planes.

The real problem is how they're modelled in the game: how they match up (or fail to match up) with contemporaries, the subtle things in the game system that penalize their performance, their tactical choices, and their utility.

THAT'S what needs to be addressed.

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Originally posted by lazio5:
Great list!

Im sorry, am i the only one who would like to
fly the FW 189 Owl?

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i say "The more planes the better"
I'm really interested in the Messerschmitt Bf 108. can some one get me a photo?

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[This message was edited by Kriebelerelf on Mon May 10 2004 at 03:52 PM.]

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Originally posted by Stiglr:
Your reaction is typical of the "gamer-rot" attitude that is prevalent throughout this community. All ills will be solved by adding one more plane to the mix, whether it belongs or not, never mind the fact that the other 70 or so have serious modeling flaws.

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First, I'm not "gamer-rot". I just don't like an attitude and I'm sorry if I offended you.

OK? can we get back to the discussion at hand?

Second, I agree with you on the mismodeling. Take the P-47 for example. in real life I know that it was no slouch in battle. Other wise, Chuck Yeager wouldn't have liked it so much. In the game it's pretty much you turn you stall! And the 190? It's got a horrible view I don't think that it was really like that.

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You shouldn't be turning in a P-47 PERIOD.

That specific problem might not be modeling. It's misuse.
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As for the discussion at hand, I added a very salient point: the answer to "which planes do we need?" might very well be NONE.

In fact, I'd go further and strip a few out that flat out shouldn't be in the set.

which ones would you get rid of?

Remember it is just a game after all. Mearly a toy to occupy our minds.

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