I just finished looking at "The Battle of Britain" for like the 10th time and every time I watch it, I wonder about something. What's up with the ME's. They look totally different in the nose. I know they were supplied by Spain, did they change the engine or something??

Göring: "Gibt es noch etwas das ich für Sie tun kan?"
Falke: " Jawul Herr Feldmarschalk, geben Sie mir ein Staffel Spitfires!"
"The Battle of Britain"

Spanish Me 109s

they are "buchon", Me109 equiped with a merlin engine.... Same for the He111, they are equiped with merline engines as well...

I think you are talking about the Hispano 109s that has the Merlin engine.

Look here:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/bf109.htm

They do look funky...

yeah

more info here
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm

in the walkarounds section, take a look at the Avia S-199.178

I actually quite like the look of the thing - sort of an 'evolved' 109 if you like

S!

Andrew

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Originally posted by ASM 1:
in the walkarounds section, take a look at the Avia S-199.178

I actually quite like the look of the thing - sort of an 'evolved' 109 if you like

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Make that *devolved*, hehehe! Like the He-219, it's so ugly it becomes pretty?!

Jeroen

Andrew, I think it was more of a primitive thing. The 109G2 is evolved. The Hispanos were Neanderthals. Uggg!



Fritz Franzen

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sam_the_greek:
I just finished looking at "The Battle of Britain" for like the 10th time and every time I watch it, I wonder about something. What's up with the ME's. They look totally different in the nose. I know they were supplied by Spain, did they change the engine or something??QUOTE]


Check this out...it explains about the Buchon:

http://pub157.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeexperten71774frm82.showMessage?topicID=11.topic

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Originally posted by Franzen:
Andrew, I think it was more of a primitive thing. The 109G2 is evolved. The Hispanos were Neanderthals. Uggg!



Fritz Franzen

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Ok, maybe evolved is the wrong word but the Avia certainly looks better than the hispano jobbies. - best of a bad lot LOL!




even has a blister hood like the spit

they certainly make a better job of the engine than the square looking Hispanos....



Dont get me wrong, I think most of the re-engined jobs are abberations but compared with the "Buchon" I'd pick an Avia anyday

Of course I'd rather have a "real" F G or K series 109,with its respective DB engine but sadly flying examples (or any for that matter) are getting fewer and fewer.

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Andrew

I've seen that Avia in person, it looks pretty mean.

It's a funny thing. I remember that when I saw the movie for the first as an eleven year old back in '69, that was the first thing I noticed. Later, I found out that they were Merlin engined. How ironic!


Any landing you can walk away from is a good one!

I only like the 109 series starting with the Emils. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't refuse any Avias, Hispanos, or Buchons if Oleg were to supply them but I'm sure I'll never be confronted with that decision.

Fritz Franzen

Franzen

I'm with you mate wasn't for a minute suggesting that I wanted an Avia, Hispano or Buchon in game, don't get me wrong - just saying that in terms of looks, I think that the Avia is the best of a bad bunch

What I would REALLY like to see in game is a 109 K14 with the DB605L engine that would be something

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Andrew

I agree Andrew, the Avia is the best of a bad lot. I wonder why they never continued to use the bubble canopy in later models. It seems to me that visibility could have been better.

One thing that I could never stand viewing was a pic of an early 109 with a two-bladed prop. Looks too "Cessna-ized"(new English word ). Just thinking of it means I'll lose sleep tonight.

Fritz Franzen

Fritz

AGGGGHHH stop! you are giving me nightmares "cessna-ized" 109...<shudders>

could be worse I suppose - didnt they build a 109 with the BMW 801 radial engine to see how it would compare with the FW-190 in trials? Would like to have seen that

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Andrew

Well here is something evolved 109:

http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/air/fin/pyrre/pyrrem.htm

http://www.saunalahti.fi/veijju/ma00.html

Its Finnish "Pyörremyrsky" (Whirlwind or Hurricane), got the best out of 109 and modified it to better: more agility, wider undercarriage etc. Unfortunately it came too late for war.

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Originally posted by Aimosika:
Well here is something evolved 109:

http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/air/fin/pyrre/pyrrem.htm

http://www.saunalahti.fi/veijju/ma00.html

Its Finnish "Pyörremyrsky" (Whirlwind or Hurricane), got the best out of 109 and modified it to better: more agility, wider undercarriage etc. Unfortunately it came too late for war.

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here's a site with some performance info
http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/vlpy.html

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Andrew

Aimosika, have you been stealing pics from Harryklein's thread?

109 Hurricane, yep, I think Harry designed that one.

Fritz Franzen

alot of them were twin seating bf108 which was what the 109 was modeled on,cheers.

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)