Hello all i am here because i am faced with a choice - either buy stereoscopic glasses from edimensional which provide a true 3d depth perception (ive had my eye on these for a very long time), or buy TrackIR which puts your head in the game. Track ir is a lot more expensive, and i cant afford both. Right now i use my joysticks pov hat, albeit set up to act as a mouse (love saitek programmability). I find this relatively natural and easy, though i doubt its as good as doing this with your head.

Track IR would be great for competitive play and better situational awareness, but stereoscopic glasses make the entire scene far more real and believable. I dont play online much so its a question of which enhances and immerses you better.

To those who have one or both of these, which is the better choice? How does IL-2 support these features - for example does IL-2 support the vector expansion, and does it work well with 3d glasses. Finally, which is better for other games?

Thanks all!

trackir, no question
vector not supported fully, but it does help a little because it'll only register if you tilt your head, with a standard trackir if you lean it moves the view but because vector can differentiate between leaning and tilting it'll help you out

3d glasses don't work well at all, period

I second that. TrackIR m8.

tir

There is absolutly NO QUESTION.

TRACK IR!

The glasses have a really cool effect I'm sure.

But, Track IR will make it seem like you are IN the cockpit of your favorite WWII ride. It will improve your situational awareness like no other device can.

Since it seems like your going to buy one of the two anyway...... I'd HEARTILY recommend putting your money down on the TRACK IR.

I've got TRACK IR ver. 1, and I am extremely happy with it. Version 3 should be SOOOOOOOO much better. Been flying for 3 years with it.

Once you get it spend some time setting up a good profile for yourself. This will create a GOOD deadzone so you don't have to keep your head rigid.

Imagine sitting in an Me 109 as you prepare for take off. You look left and check for aileron deflection. Now right. Check. Fire up your engine and look at the instrument panel to see your revs.

As you take off and attain flying altitude you see them at 2 o'clock. They're about 1000 meters below you. The sun is at your back and has allowed you to catch the B 17s off guard. You roll over to dive on them. All the time keeping your eye on them looking for tell tale signs you,ve been spotted.

Your first pass catches the engine on fire of the lead bomber. They start to scatter as you watch them using the Track IR. Careful, watch the tachometer so you don't burn the engine. Then start to climb for another pass to get another of the remaining bombers.....................

The point is you can watch not just for enemies and allies, but ALSO pretty effectively manage your engine.

Stereoscopic glasses can't do that.

WOW is such a small word and it's effect doesn't last long.
Go for the TIR and have something you can really use and enjoy PAST the WOW factor.


EDIT:
As far as the glasses goes. It's been a LONG LONG time since I've seen them mentioned in THIS forum or at Sim HQ.
If I remember clearly there was problem with them and refresh rates causing headaches. Again it's been a long time and NOT having them mentioned says more about the functionality and value of the glasses for our needs.

I havent had the opportunity to use trackIR yet but it looks impressive. As far as stereoscopic glasses go, they dont do much for improving gameplay- they seem more like a gimmick that only serve to give you a headache after a relatively short while. They dont seem to achieve much as far as improving situational awareness or even depth perception.
My advice, dig deep and go for the trackIR, that's what i intend to do.

TIR is :

THE BOMB !



It's ALL THAT !

I have TIR (why else would I replying in the affirmative?), and it made me a better pilot.

Okay,well, it increased my situational awareness and THAT made me a better pilot.

There is a slight learning curve that you will overcome.

Turn your head ,look around.

Killer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S WORTH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1 for TrackIR.

TRACK-IR 3 PRO, with VECTOR.

it is REALLY the only choice.


it will take you a week to get used to. (gunnery wise)

as ive said before to others... why have a hand control your view..when your head, has been doing it all your life...

3D is cool, but it does nothing to make you FEEL THERE, like TRACK-IR does.

TrackIR.

With glasses you'll use them for a while then bung them with all the other junk you bought to "Enhance Your Gaming Experience".

TrackIR, you will NEVER consider removing.

TiR

TIR

I have come to the point that if a game does not support it, I won't play it. except for a few choice First Person shooters, I play at LAN parties.

I like the driving and the flying games, with it.

Hands down TIR!

thanks all for the responses but can we be a bit more objective? Unless youve used them, you cant talk about their effect.

Although many here have used TrackIR and profess how good it is (it must be a lot more immersive than using the POV hat as a mouse control - though this works well) noone here seems to have even seen what these glasses do, let alone have them. My monitor can do the required refresh rates, and every review of both products gives great praise.

I have seen what stereoscopic effects can do and if these glasses are anything like Imax then i will not hesitate to pick them. Again you cant call these a gimmick when you watch 3d pictures on a 2d screen - you simply cannot imagine the effect. Please does anyone have them here?

TIR

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Originally posted by irR4tiOn4L:
thanks all for the responses but can we be a bit more objective? Unless youve used them, you cant talk about their effect.

Although many here have used TrackIR and profess how good it is (it must be a lot more immersive than using the POV hat as a mouse control - though this works well) noone here seems to have even seen what these glasses do, let alone have them. My monitor can do the required refresh rates, and every review of both products gives great praise.

I have seen what stereoscopic effects can do and if these glasses are anything like Imax then i will not hesitate to pick them. Again you cant call these a gimmick when you watch 3d pictures on a 2d screen - you simply cannot imagine the effect. Please does anyone have them here?

Me, I have both.
Tir -> Two Thumbs up
eDimensional Stereo 3D glasses -> piece of s**t

Ok. Effect is impressive but you'll never use it after 3 days trial, be sure.

ok cool Toocool! Tell me i know this is a very personal thing but why do you dislike the glasses. I understand well enough what Track IR is like, but i dont know what games with those glasses are like. Is the effect immersive? Why did you stop using them after three days? Is it because they dont make your flying any better really, while Track IR does? What are they like in other games, eg do you use them in single player FPS or racing games?

with the glasses..suppoert is only for NVIDIA..although it MIGHT have changed, just enuff to say "support with ATI graphic cards.

due to shutter effect, whatever refresh rate your monitor is at..is cut in HALF. so you HAVE to run your monitor at 120 for each lens to refresh at 60 ( this was the old way, i heard there is a new driver in works, or allready out to fix, but i cant confirm)

eye strain. you get used to it, but it was like taking off a strong pair of glasses at times.

in IL-2 AEP/PF.. most cases is that you get blurry/fuzzy text, cockpits that are a bit fuzzy, the sunlight problem showing thru cockpit gets worse. some systems and game run fine with them.. nost others have some kind of problem...

i took everything i read with a grain of salt, and bought some....

effect when it worked was great..WHEN it worked.

the salt didnt help.

Well...do I feel outnumbered , but I will try to be objective.

I haven't tried TIR, but I have got the 3-D specs. I intend using both and will buy TIR when I can afford it, along with some pedals. I went for the glasses first because I can use the hats on the stick. I used them until recently when I swapped monitors after my 6 year old 19" monitor played up. The current temporary monitor won't support the necessary refresh rate, so I get flickering areas on the ground.

However, when using them with the nVidia drivers I use them on IL2 and CoD/UO. Once set up, they do give a totally different perspective. The cockpits go 3d and give a look and feel of seperation to the different objects in the cockpit. I like flying A-20 and Me-110 - these cockpits, for me, become more immersive.

They do take getting used to, but so does anything new that alters views or personal gameplay. The only real drawback is they darken the screen initially, bit like wearing sunglasses, but this can be countered in the settings.

I would like TIR and will get it....one day.

Hope this is of use.

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Originally posted by SidCheshire:
Well...do I feel outnumbered , but I will try to be objective.

I haven't tried TIR, but I have got the 3-D specs. I intend using both and will buy TIR when I can afford it, along with some pedals. I went for the glasses first because I can use the hats on the stick. I used them until recently when I swapped monitors after my 6 year old 19" monitor played up. The current temporary monitor won't support the necessary refresh rate, so I get flickering areas on the ground.

However, when using them with the nVidia drivers I use them on IL2 and CoD/UO. Once set up, they do give a totally different perspective. The cockpits go 3d and give a look and feel of seperation to the different objects in the cockpit. I like flying A-20 and Me-110 - these cockpits, for me, become more immersive.

They do take getting used to, but so does anything new that alters views or personal gameplay. The only real drawback is they darken the screen initially, bit like wearing sunglasses, but this can be countered in the settings.

I would like TIR and will get it....one day.

Hope this is of use.

Wow, you really like blurry screen, good for you. Welcome to blind wannabe club.
I'm sorry I had retired.

tir...... A friend of mine has both, the glasses he put away after 2 weeks, bit TIR,, well if you get it you won't be ale to fly without it after awhile, so much better is the SA for you