I know about playing around with the stats of the existing guns to alter them, and I know that creating a new gun is a pain in the a$$. What I want to do though (which I'm hoping won't be too bad) is to add a silencer to an existing gun.

I don't there's enough silenced weapons in GR - only the MP5, the M4 and the SR-25 come in silenced versions, and the l;ast two only if you have IT... The silenced M4 ain't a bad gun, so I'm not bothered about that, but I hate the MP5, and I don't think the SR-25 is that great either. It has a big clip, but I like my sniper rifles to have accuracy like it's laser-guided. Which is why I like the SVD and the M82. I realise that silenced weapons have to have a drawback, so I'm after a silenced version of the L96A1 sniper rifle - which is bolt action, so you can have an accurate, silenced sniper, but you take a big hit in terms of rate of fire. How hard would this be to do? I know how to alter the gun's characteristics in Igor to make it silent, but I want to be able to see the can on the front when you look at the gun in the game...

Since I've never altered the textures of the guns at all, what's involved? Can I just more or less copy and paste the silencer off the SR-25 SD onto the front of the L96 and then convert to RSB format with the plugin or what?

I have a really nice mission where silenced weapons are required, but I thought I'd better get some decent silenced weapons first, to make it a bit better!

Gav,

You can make the gun silenced by checking the box in the IGOR gun editor.

If you really want a silencer ON the model in the game itself, you would need to make the model and silencer and export it etc etc...

Why do you hate the MP5? All the bad things of the gun can be edited out with the gun editor..

I thought the same about the gun...sh1tty zoom and does not shoot very far.
So,...I have changed the distance..now it can fire further and it can zoom as far as the OICW...problem solved.




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you guys arent into realism much are you? paul is right you would have to first edit the model of the gun before you can see the silencer on the gun. also Ive never sen a silenced version of the l96a1 but I guess it is possible. and as far as editing the gun in the editor to be whatever you want, well........it's almost cheating, but whatever.

Jake

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Paul: I hate the MP5 coz it has no zoom, and less stopping power than a crumpled up crisp packet thrown by a 2 year old child. It's about as likely to kill someone as a business card. The only thing going for it is it's fully automatic, so you get decent rate of fire. But you need it, because you have to empty an entire clip at the enemy to stand any chance of a kill. And even then, you're likely to get shot by the guy you're attacking as soon as you stop to reload.

I know how to designate the weapon as silenced in Igor, but what I wanted was to have the silencer visible on the end of the gun. I've never seen a silenced L96 either, but I don't see why it can't be done - IT allows you to have a silenced sniper rifle, it just isn't an accurate one. I want a silenced, accurate rifle. So I thought I'd make the compromise by having it as bolt-action, so there is still a drawback. I suppose the other thing to do would be to tweak the stats for the SR-25 SD to make a bit more accurate.

Jake: Changing the gun files could be cheating, depending on quite what you're doing and why. Making a crap gun awesome for play in the regular game, and in MP is obviously cheating. But tweaking the stats that are used in a fully contained mod, thereby not altering the regular game at all, I don't consider to be cheating. Some may disagree of course, but I don't see a problem with it, as the change only affects the mod that you're writting. You just have to be careful to maintain a balance in gameplay. Obviously, having a sniper rifle with the rate of fire of an assualt rifle, the clip size of a support weapon and the settling time of a carbine kinda takes away the challenge! But little tweaks are surely alright, provided it's in your mod only. It's no different to altering the combat model for your mod, for example.

So, in short, what you're saying is that silencing the gun is easy in Igor (which I already know how to do), but that modding the texture of the gun so that a silencer is visible on the front would be difficult and you don't see the point in doing?

well no the texture is easy as hell but you have to create a 3d model of the gun including the silencer and that is not. and I dont care one way or another if you cheat or not gav

Jake

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You need to try the FAMAS Custom silenced sniper rifle that is in Frostbite and DA4.9, it has a 3 round burst and is very good.

Jake: Why you little...!!!

It's not cheating, it's redistributing the balance of effectiveness within a self-contained, stand-alone expansion pack that affacts no other aspect of GR!

Was that a good enough sales pitch?? Anyway, you'll see why it's needed if I ever get this mod finished and you get the chance to play it...

Gav,

I believe there was a 3dsmax sniperrifle file in the DS or IT map for testing purposes....

I could add one of my silencers to it and export it. This way you should have a sniperrifle with silencer...

I even think it was the rifle you mentioned...



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Would that be difficult to do? I don't want to go wasting your time as well as my own! Very kind of you to offer, but don't spend hours on it...

I'm starting to get a little bit fed up of modding now, so I've just downloaded the Navy Seals mod and a few other equipment ones. That way I can have a play, take a break from modding and find some nice new weapons that I can think about adding in to the mod - after getting permission first, of course!

I couldn't find the Frostbite mod though... Very odd, I thought that'd be easy to get! Never mind. Finally got the 1.4 patch too. I've spent too long with the 1.3.5 version. Time to see what new bits are in 1.4... All good things I trust?

By the way, at the risk of sounding like a total newb, what's the difference between a "total conversion" mod, and any other mod?? I was browsing round GR.net and they had a separate section for it. What is it? How is it different to the "campaign" mods that were in another section?

OKay, scrub the Frostbite thing. I've found it now. And the patch for the 1.3 version. I've got myself quite a few things to play with now: I've just downloaded Frostbite & v1.3 patch; Black Sun v3; Covert Ops v2; Navy Seals v2; the GR 1.4 patch...

And that's without all the weapon kits I've got - Weapons of War, UK Parachute Regiment, Special Air Service, Standard Upgrade & 1.1 patch, Sniper Armoury, Harntrox HX4 Hell-O-Pack and another sniper kits one. I think it's going to take me quite some time to work my way through that lot! Should make a nice change from writing these missions for the mod...

And best of all - lots of new guns!! I like guns...

Gav,

Won't take long at all....

Open the max file, merge my silencer and export it to GR. That's it. 30 minutes at most.

Want me to try it for you? No prob.



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If you don't mind and it wouldn't take long, I'd certainly appreciate it.

Cheers Paul. Perhaps you could email it to me? That's probably the easiest thing. You got the address... How big would the file be? If it's too much for an email, I'll have to d/l it from somewhere once you're done.

Off home now. Speak to you tomorrow.

MP5 is good for close combat, I think it's more quiet than the SOCOM. SOCOM is nice too on larger maps, but you'll need to get headshots (instead of wasting clips on one tango).

Very good idea to make more SD-weapons.

But I think you can't just turn a weapon into SD by adding a silencer. It has to be made for SD (small, light).

Maybe I'm wrong here, I'm no weapon-expert.

BTW a silenced AK for the enemies could be nice for a new gametype !




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San, that idea's genius!! Enemies attacking you with their weapons silenced so you don't know where they are...

They could be loyal to Saddam, come to spring him out of jail in a daring raid the night before his upcoming execution (we all know that's what'll happen to him, whether we agree with it or not - don't need to wait for the trial verdict to know how it's gonna end).

no san you cant just add a silencer too a gun, you have to first bore out the front of the barrel so the the silencerfits in to the barrel like a soda bottle into a bottle cap.

a silenced ak sounds unrealistic at best but whatever.

Jake

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Hey Jake! How'z trix?? Where is everyone lately?? No-one to talk to to keep me sane at work... Maybe they've all given up on that as a lost cause...

I'm no gunsmith, but I thought you could add a silencer to any gun? Obviously it can adversely affect the balance of the gun (eg make it muzzle-heavy etc), and you have to tap the end so's you can screw the can of the silencer on to it, but it can be done, right?

I'm not quite so desperate to do it now though - I've recently got a few equipment mods, and I also like the silenced gun that I use when I play Frostbite. Can't remember what it was called now though. A Diemaco SFW or something similar? I find that gun quite useful. That and the P-90 (if you're indoors and need some seriously close-quarter weapons). And there's a sniper rifle I quite like too, but it's another one I've forgotten the name of. Can you tell I haven't had Frostbite long?!? It wasn't quite as nice as my trusty SVD though...

Anyway, I've now got some other guns to have a play around with and see what I like. Any that are really good I'll see if I can get the author's permission to use in my mod...

well pauls still around sometimes and Ive seen co and san postin' recently so I figured everyone was accounted for but....... your right the mod has fallin off of the top of my things to do list as well. Its also hard to do any work without g.r. running anymore.

yes you can supress any gun (a silencer is actually a supressor as it still makes sound, silencing a gun requires a special subsonic ammo) but some guns (such as the ak) are usless to silence because as soon as it is used most folks will know someone is shootin' anyways. There is a silenced version of the ak-74-su in americas army and I can give some pics of that if you want and you can see if you would like to redo that in g.r. if you want.

I have no idea what the name of the gun is in the frostbite mod (I only played it once or twice). I like the idea of a silenced sniper rifle (although the idea of a sniper rifle is that they dont know where you are anyways so I dont guess it matters if they hear you or not).

p.s. merry christmas all

Jake

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this is the ak-74-su with a grenade launcher, a supressor, and a scope.This is a gun used in the americas army game but it is verry accurate to the real one Im sure.

There is a russian sniper rifle in americas armey called the VSS vintorez. It has a 10 round mag, silenced, and has bothe full-auto and semi-auto trigger groupings. Do you want a pic of that? Sounds like it would be fun in g.r.

Jake

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Message Edited on 12/22/03 02:24PM by achilles3503

Frostbite's got a silenced sniper rifle with 3-round and full auto as well as its single-shot. It has a clip of... I think it's 30 rounds. Might only be 20. But a fair few anyway. Although I'm struggling to remember what it's called now, and I was only using it last night! It's a FAMAS something or other I think. But that's not bad.

And the other assault rifle I was talking about yesterday is the Diemaco SFW-SD. It has a 30 round clip and comes in an un-suppressed version as well. Can also have the M203 under the barrel. It has a good scope on it, pretty reasonable accuracy and packs a decent punch - not as much as the OICW, but certainly up there with the SA80. So I like it a lot for both close-in work and open battlefields.

I forgot about using subsonic rounds. Not much point having the gun silent if the round still has the noisy pressure wave from going through the sound barrier is it?!?