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Yeah, but you need a huge radar to support the AIM-54, that's why only two aircraft ever carried it. I'll miss the Tomcat too, and I think its retirement is a bit premature. Its got MUCH longer legs, and it does just fine in the precision bombing role as well. One problem, however, is that it has the RCS of a large panel truck.
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what otehr aircraft carried the -54? Ii thought only the 'Cat could carry it.
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Heh...sorry I didn't specify earlier. The F-111B also carried it, but, that aircraft was never adopted by the Navy. It DID fire them successfully against drones though.
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Cooler.
I always thought that the 'Cat wasa the only one that could carry the -54. Now if Only we can get a new Viggie. VIGGIES 4-EVA!!!! KW. |
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What the heck is a "viggie"?
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A Saab JA-37 Viggen, maybe?
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IKing, Arthonon.... Shame on both of youse.
The Viggie isn't the Viggen (Although, that Viggie is an awesome fighter in its own right. I flew it a few times in Janes Fighters Anthology). The Viggie I'm talking about is the North American RA-5C Vigilante carrier-based Reconnaissance aircraft. It was about 70+ feet long and had the same engines as the Mighty F-4 Phantom (could outtun both the Phantom and the Cat over a long distance. Was slightly faster in some cases as well). I was reading an article awhiel back (I later printed it out) where a lightly loaded Vigilante 'bounced' an F-8E Crusader above angles 20 and cleaned its clock. The MiG Master Crusader couldn't get away and the two-seat Viggie (pilot and RAN 'radar and Naviagtion') crowed about it for a long time. I'll have to find the url for tha article again. If I do I'll post it here. Keep on flyin' the simulated skies. KW. |
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Can I just say the F-35 is a beauty. Im glad the USAF decided on that and not Boeing's X-32, that was ugly as sin. The X-32 was so bad that it allegedly caused kids to have nightmares after they had seen it, Im not kidding, the X-32 looked like a guppy on steroids.
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The A-5 is the most beatiful aircraft ever, looks very sleek and well designed.  |
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ThanKs, Feedback. Now I know I'm not the only Viggie fan here.
Warrington, I've never heard of the X-32. Although I think the X-29 wqould've been a better fighter. and I hope that the F-35 gorws another engine for naval use. I think the navy prefers carrier-based figheters with two engines instead of one although there have been some notable exceptions. (A-4 Skyhawk, F-8 rusader, A-7 Corsair II, etc, etc) Knightewolfe |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-32 Here is an article on the X-32. Even mentions that the aircraft isn't exatly pleasing to the eye. Still, as I said the F-35 is a beauty.  Long as I remember The rain been comin' down. Clouds of myst'ry pourin' Confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, Tryin' to find the sun; And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain. |
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Warrington, you're right. THE X-32 looks dog ooglaay!! good lord. what was Boeing thinking? They came out with a beuatiful aircraft in the F/A-18 Hornet then design that almost flying pancake like X-32.
*wonders how blirzed the Boeing designers were when they came up with the design for the X-32.* Hey Force Feedback, he's the url to taht VIggie article I mentioned in an earlier post: www.vectorsite.net/ava5.html read it an enjoy to your fullest extent. KW |
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No, the XF-32 wasn't very pretty, but "pretty is as pretty does", as they used to say. However, the -32 was better in some respects than the -35; with the one-piece composite wing, it could carry more fuel, and it's RCS was lower in off-aspect angles (that is, anything other than from straight ahead or straight behind). The worst aspect of the -32 was, obviously, from the front with that huge, gaping air intake; Boeing never did find a good way to compensate for that. Also, IK, I'm not positive, but there may have been three aircraft that could've carried the AIM-54: the third one I'm thinking of is the YF-12A; it carried the direct predecessor of the AIM-54, the AIM-47, so it may have been capable (had they produced it) of carrying the AIM-54.  |
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Yeah, the Viggie was originally designed as a carrier-based tactical nuclear strike aircraft. It carried it's weapons internally and "ejected" them out the back between the engines through a "launch tube" (just like the Tu-22M/26 "Backfire"). Only a very few Vigilantes were developed as bombers; by 1962 the Navy decided not to develop the Viggie as an attack bomber and decided, instead, to develop it into a high-speed recon platform. The Viggie can lay claim to a lot of "firsts": First double-sonic carrier-based aircraft. First production aircraft to use an all-moving vertical stabilizer (I believe the Lockheed A-12 was the second). First production aircraft to dispense with ailerons and use over-wing spoilers and differential movement of the tailplanes for manuevering instead. BTW, Knightewolfe, here's that website you were talking about: http://www.vectorsite.net/ava5.html |
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Thanks SoD. I found what I had printed out and was able to get the url from there. I jsut wish I could see a picture of Vigilante 701 (a.k.a. 'The Passionate Pachyderm) Now that would be a cool picture.
KW. |
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Hey I saw that F-35 at edwards afb
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