In response to lost in blue. I seem to be in the minority but I don't believe that trailer was representative of "in game graphics" I doubt it's even " in engine" most likley it was a pre-rendered "benchmark" video. And, that dosn't rule out a wii version. I know it's not a great example but The Godfather debacle that EA made had a full version on wii, with primarily graphical limitations added. What little story there was in the Xbox360 version made it over to the wii pretty much intact as well as it's gameplay. And, i think you'd agree that story and gameplay are what make Beyond good and Evil great not graphics and those are the two aspects that could quite possibly make it over to the wii intact. So here's hoping!

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Originally posted by bitebug2003:
I'm in the dark as much as the rest of the BG&E Community

I know you don't you've said as much before. I'm just saying they announced it officially and now they want to take that back and instead of admmitting they messed up they are trying to say that we were the one's who created our own confusion. And he's deleting all the evidence. Even going so far as to delete posts not made by ubisoft officials i.e. you!

Things will become clear sooner or later.

Agreed. I don't mean to be negative I'm still just happy they're (maybe) making the game. And I hope that Wii get's the game as well, as the system could really use more quality 3rd party titles. huh? huh? See what I did there? Now it's on topic again. YaY!!!

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Originally posted by GC_Etosi_GiR:
If you buy Vigil's crap ( and don't kid yourself V, that's what it is and I ain't buyin' it) the game hasn't been announced for any console yet. So, "officially" they have not ruled out a fully developed wii version. I guess you can look for some kind of hope there. I love the wii as a concept but most of the software has been very dissappointing.

Actually I read in a TRANSLATION of an extract of Michel Ancels most recent joystig interview that it was being developed for the Xbox 360 and PS3 and also all of the game sites like gametrailers and gamespot seem to identify 360's and ps3's as the availble platforms. However its never been explicitly stated that it is being developed only for these consoles so it probably only indicates that the game will definatly be availble on these consoles.

Anyway even if it is announced for the Xbox 360 and PS3 that doesnt mean it wont later be announced for the wii bcoz Tomb Raider Underworld was initially only slated for the PS3 Xbox 360 and PC but now it has been announced for the wii, ps2 and even handhelds. ANd TRU is meant to be a Next Gen game and people were almost certain it wouldnt be released for less powerful consoles.

I also want a Wii version!

Hope they don't cancel it...

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Originally posted by GC_Etosi_GiR:
In response to lost in blue. I seem to be in the minority but I don't believe that trailer was representative of "in game graphics" I doubt it's even " in engine" most likley it was a pre-rendered "benchmark" video. And, that dosn't rule out a wii version. I know it's not a great example but The Godfather debacle that EA made had a full version on wii, with primarily graphical limitations added. What little story there was in the Xbox360 version made it over to the wii pretty much intact as well as it's gameplay. And, i think you'd agree that story and gameplay are what make Beyond good and Evil great not graphics and those are the two aspects that could quite possibly make it over to the wii intact. So here's hoping!

They said it was running on the game engine though "the hyper-realistic trailer"

Also... Godfather is a bad example... it was a port of a PS2 game, even the PS3 version (done at the same time as the Wii version) looks quite bad. The game doesn't push the Wii at all, let alone being, technically a Wii game at heart. It's a port from a much inferior system.

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Originally posted by Enycma:
I also want a Wii version!

Hope they don't cancel it...

there's nothing to cancel is there isn't one to start with

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Originally posted by mystique1987:
Actually I read in a TRANSLATION of an extract of Michel Ancels most recent joystig interview that it was being developed for the Xbox 360 and PS3 and also all of the game sites like gametrailers and gamespot seem to identify 360's and ps3's as the availble platforms. However its never been explicitly stated that it is being developed only for these consoles so it probably only indicates that the game will definatly be availble on these consoles.

Anyway even if it is announced for the Xbox 360 and PS3 that doesnt mean it wont later be announced for the wii bcoz Tomb Raider Underworld was initially only slated for the PS3 Xbox 360 and PC but now it has been announced for the wii, ps2 and even handhelds. ANd TRU is meant to be a Next Gen game and people were almost certain it wouldnt be released for less powerful consoles.

that's the thing that sucks, Wii is leading, it's selling games, it has a beyond good and evil following and nintendo magazines have been asking for it for years... it also has lower development costs and this game wasn't a success to start with...

So why must we be the ones in doubt? it's insulting.

Not to mention I said it and I'll say it again... there's no Wii version, Ubi prefers to shovel us.

Just give it a rest plz. I know that the Wii is the leading console, but the PS3 and the 360 are more powerful and better consoles.

You just have to take a "wait and see" approach. If BG&E2 won't be released on the Wii, then it's Nintendo's fault, not Ubi's or Ancel's. They should've made a more better console.

And if it gets released on the Wii, chances are that because of the downgraded graphics and the Wii remote, the game might not be that good.

Just relax for now, and we'll see if it gets released for the Wii. And if it does, just hope that the game will still be as good as the other versions.

I'm kinda hoping for a PC release, and maybe even a handheld version (hey, i can dream, can't i?)

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Originally posted by darkenega:
Just give it a rest plz. I know that the Wii is the leading console, but the PS3 and the 360 are more powerful and better consoles.

Why and better? that's very fallacious

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If BG&E2 won't be released on the Wii, then it's Nintendo's fault, not Ubi's or Ancel's. They should've made a more better console.

No, we blame Ubisoft, as we blame them for the crap software they've been making. Blaming Nintendo makes no sense.

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And if it gets released on the Wii, chances are that because of the downgraded graphics and the Wii remote, the game might not be that good.

And the Ubisoft approach would also be the one at fault in doing that.

We want primary support, not secondary one... and "downgraded" would just mean the Wii isn't the primary platform. Well, we know it isn't already.

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Just relax for now, and we'll see if it gets released for the Wii. And if it does, just hope that the game will still be as good as the other versions.

We're relaxed, no Wii owner with a brain expects something good from Ubisoft anymore, but that doesn't make it okay.

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I'm kinda hoping for a PC release, and maybe even a handheld version (hey, i can dream, can't i?)

I'd say a PC release is very likely, the demo was running on a PC.

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, lostinblue, it's difficult for developers to release their games on Xbox360/PS 3 and the Wii (difference in hardware and the unique controller). If the rumors about a unique PoP game for the Wii alongside the new PS3/Xbox360 game are true, we might see the same thing happen for BG&E.

Ohh yeah I completly forgot that it was Nintendo magazines that actually took an interst in Beyond Good and Evil. Xbox never seemed to care about Beyond Good and Evil in fact I think it was voted like 22nd in a list of the top 30 Xbox games or something. And I think games like Halo were ahead of it. Thats annoying I have HAlo and I think BG&E is definatly better.

Wii doesnt seem like an inferior console. Even if it is an upgraded version of the gamecube if it has better graphics than the xbox then it could do impressive things.

And when you think about it Beyond Good and Evil was meant to be released last gen so if it doesnt HAVE to have this gens graphics. And last gens game looked identical on all consoles so they could just do the same thing now and port it. If the game has good design and style Ill still buy it.

Still if releasing for the wii will harm the game in any way then I wouldnt want it to be released on wii.

I think... that those of you pestering for a Wii version are forgetting that the first BG&E was the showcase game for the JADE engine. And back in its day, it did have very good graphics. Unless they have abandoned the JADE engine, then they will want to keep it up to date with the times.

So suppose BG&E 2 comes out running the latest version of the JADE engine and... What's that? It still has last-gen graphics?

Trust me on this: A team that develops a serious game engine will want their game to have the best graphics possible.

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Originally posted by Jason____:
Trust me on this: A team that develops a serious game engine will want their game to have the best graphics possible.

Then they'd only do games for the PC, since they already left consoles behind a long time ago.

Best graphics possible for the hardware is a fine preoccupation to have yes, but those can be achieved on any hardware with varying results.

Not even trying or doing shovelware is what's insulting.

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Originally posted by lostinblue:
Then they'd only do games for the PC, since they already left consoles behind a long time ago.

Best graphics possible for the hardware is a fine preoccupation to have yes, but those can be achieved on any hardware with varying results.

However, the Wii makes things complicated since its abilities are so far behind its competition. Here are the options that multi-platform game developers face:

• Design the game and engine with Wii-quality graphics, with results that are laughable if played on more powerful systems
  
• Design the game with high-quality graphics, then spend extra time and money to create a downgraded Wii version
• Forget the Wii

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Originally posted by Jason____:

However, the Wii makes things complicated since its abilities are so far behind its competition. Here are the options that multi-platform game developers face:

Current gen consoles are also already a lot behind their PC "competition".

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• Design the game and engine with Wii-quality graphics, with results that are laughable if played on more powerful systems

Is King Kong X360 laughable next to the SD versions? Is Tomb Raider Legends X360 laughable next to SD version?

Cross platform is possible, sure it's not aiming for Crysis graphics on the HD's, but can have good graphics just the same.

Problem is that they don't even try. Wii has more to gain from HD assets than downgrading stuff until it ran on a Dreamcast. Because it's the weakest it is the one who needs to be pushed the most... Wii being the main platform in development makes sense for a lot of games.

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• Design the game with high-quality graphics, then spend extra time and money to create a downgraded Wii version

Depends on the downgrade, you can do it like a lot of developers are doing, downgrading it to stupid levels until it runs with crappy graphics without any optimization... or you can do like treayarch on CoD5... CoD4 engine running on the Wii and separate teams one going after the other.

This is viable but requires more manpower.

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• Forget the Wii

Not a intelligent option for third party's with third party games. Unless the game in question doesn't make sense on the platform (not technically, but the genre/franchise), is exclusive or they're giving it alternative quality support (not spin-off's)

With Beyond Good and Evil... it's neither.

These are all good points. Since I havent played or seen many next gen games I really cant copmrehend how these decisions need to be made

Some last gen ports like Crash of the Titans do look a bit off but other last gen ports or enhanced ports like Tomb Raider Legend look good. And there are some next gen games like Kameo which I think are ugly but others like Ratchet and Clank Future which look amazing.

Theres a demo for some Skating game I think is called Tony Hawk on my 360 and I think its also a last gen port. I think that game has the most impresive graphics Ive seen on my 360 and I would have been happy if Beyond Good and Evil 2 had just been a less gritty more stylised version of that.

For serious gaming, the PS3 and the 360 are the best choices. They're more powerful in terms of graphics and instead of a lame, hard to control remote, they've got regular controllers.

The Wii is not all that bad, though. It's good for a few laughs and mini games. But regular games on the Wii just suck. And the last thing i want to see is a gorgeous game like BG&E2 getting ruined by porting it to the Wii.

I'll have to agree with Jason though. Ubi's probably not gonna invest extra time and money to create a laughable downgraded version of BG&E2.

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Originally posted by darkenega:
For serious gaming, the PS3 and the 360 are the best choices. They're more powerful in terms of graphics and instead of a lame, hard to control remote, they've got regular controllers.

honestly... that's besides the point, I don't get why Wii get's all the negativism from some parts of the "we are hardcore" crowd but seriously... It's a game platform, what makes it... is the software

PS2 was also more casual than GC and Xbox at the time, and weakest, and no one said it wasn't a proper gaming machine, just like regarding gameplay, no one says that from DS.

The controller is perfectly suited for games, and if that isn't enough, drop in support for regular controllers, simple.

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The Wii is not all that bad, though. It's good for a few laughs and mini games. But regular games on the Wii just suck. And the last thing i want to see is a gorgeous game like BG&E2 getting ruined by porting it to the Wii.

Is that Why Mario galaxy was 2007's Game of the Year? is it a minigame? what about RE4 Wii, MH3 on the horizon, Metroid Prime 3, etc.

No such thing as a platform that is only suited for that, and more than that... the "real" games are selling and there are great ones; that alone makes it a pretty proper gaming platform in my book.

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I'll have to agree with Jason though. Ubi's probably not gonna invest extra time and money to create a laughable downgraded version of BG&E2.

Laughable downgraded because they've been nothing but incompetent and disrespectful for the platform.

I also don't want their part time scraps from their 4th string team of trainee's tbh. But that's part of their problem.

You're right. You're absolutely right: PS2 was the weakest console of the 6th generation (if you don't count the Dreamcast, man i love that machine )

And now the Wii is the weakest of the 3. Luckily, the Wii has something to back it up. It's aimed to a different audience, the more casual gamers, you know.

I'm not saying that every game on the Wii sucks. But most of the games that get ported to the Wii aren't as good as the other versions.

The games you just mentioned (except mh3) are Wii exclusives/editions. They were made for the Wii. So those games are better, you're right about that too.

Also about the downgrading: i don't think that they have a choice other than to downgrade the game. If it gets ported, then Ancel is probably doing his best to make the game as good as the other versions (BG&E is his masterpiece, and he doesn't want to ruin it).

Hardware is something important for consoles. The best example of this would be the Sega Saturn. A badly manufactured console that was supposed to be better than Playstation and N64, but they just ruined it.

Hardware is something very important too, and the Wii doesn't have the hardware to be console for hardcore gamers.