I know I know the obvious. Looking at the teaser, which is unlikely to be bested by the gameplay, the graphics of BG&E 2 are astounding. But of all the titles out there... this is the one that screamed "Wii Exclusive" the loudest.


The first game was considered a bomb. But it bombed the least, and by that I mean sold the best on the GameCube. Michel Ancel is the Nintendo quality developer at Ubisoft. He's Europe's answer to Shiggy. He's the one man who with the right budget(both development and advertising) could meet or beat Mario and Zelda's 5 Million + sales on the Wii Console.


I'm super disappointed. Not with what i've seen. But with the choices that lead to the assets to this point.


And please Ubi, don't answer the outcry on the events board here with a spin off. Wii don't buy second tier products. On any console.

Hmn.

The Wii is ok for mini-games etc. but when it comes to games like this, I think they are best released on a proper gaming console. By that I mean the ones that can actually get alot better in terms of graphics, and the ones that don't have 'every' single game using an anime style. Maybe not ALL of them are, but most of them

If Ancel released BG&E2 on the Wii, the graphics engine would have to be tremendously scaleable for it to run at a smooth frame rate. I seriously doubt the Wii could handle that engine anyway...

Don't get me wrong here - the Wii is a good console for VERY casual players, but when it comes to graphics, it reminds me of freakin' PS1 games with a bit of Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic filtering added on

please don't turn this into a wii vs. every other console war... in regards to the choice of the consoles, we have hardly any information on the game. for all we know, this game could be far more of an open-ended environment than the last... with a larger universe and more interaction. with that in mind, it may be physically impossible to port it for the wii, even with down-sampling the graphics. just keep an open mind on all this. who knows, it may be an incentive to buy one of the other consoles. i think it makes a well-rounded gamer if you decide to break out from just the wii and into another console. the wii is far too different from the other two to even be worth fighting over.

It won't come to a wii vs. every other console war

Well the first reply was a bad start. I'm not limited in my console options. Wii60 house. I have around 30 games for each. I think most Nintendo fans vocal about it on the internet are gamers first and many of those are multi-console.


What I was looking for... What I was imagining, hoping for was another AAA title for my white box. Because I do love it and I do play it often. But never any ubi-games. Beat Red Steel. Killed No More Heroes which doesn't really count. I liked Rabbids but I never picked up the second one. As everybody knows, games like Mario Party and Raving Rabbids are there to show off to your friends and suck them in. But they can't hold you.. And I was really looking forward to what Ancel could do on the system. Especially since the Wii has double the horsepower of the GCN and Beyond Good and Evil looked wonderful on the GCN and the controls, which when well implemented, can and do eat the classic controller options on the other games consoles for lunch.





Maybe not as choice as the xbox sku. But certainly worlds better than the PS2 iteration. Anyway I'm just surprised. Dashed. And I was hoping for a better answer than "the Wii is a good console for VERY casual players, but when it comes to graphics, it reminds me of freakin' PS1 games with a bit of Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic filtering added on"


Because that's just disheartening.... Ugh that people think that way.

Well, I bought a Wii back when they were released. My logic was that the cheaper cost of game development for the Wii would lead to more creative and original games.

Unfortunately that's not quite the way it works. The cheaper game development is leading to lower quality games from developers just looking to make a quick buck. From all the games on the three current consoles, these are the percentages of games that scored 70 or above (figured from current data on MetaCritic):

PS3 - 59%
360 - 52%
Wii - 31%

And then when you look at the "good" Wii games, they tend to be either party games or rehashes of old titles. The only original new titles that Nintendo produces now days tend to be "time passers" rather than "experiences," and that is what the Wii seems to be designed for.

So, in conclusion, I am thankful that BG&E 2 will not be for the Wii. We should get a quality game, and they won't be wasting time downgrading the graphics and level sizes to make it work on Wii.

They're not making it for the Wii because every game that gets ported to it ends up sucking. The powerful consoles and the PC get the full, meaty version and the Wii gets a stripped down, dumbed down version with a different, crappier graphics engine and poorly implemented controls. And this isn't even all the developers' faults, either, the way Nintendo domineers every third party release.

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Originally posted by D4rkV3ng3ance:
Hmn.

The Wii is ok for mini-games etc. but when it comes to games like this, I think they are best released on a proper gaming console. By that I mean the ones that can actually get alot better in terms of graphics, and the ones that don't have 'every' single game using an anime style. Maybe not ALL of them are, but most of them

Wii is not only for minigames, proof is that games have sold there, is REUC, RE4, Mario galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, hell red Steel and a bunch of others sold more than a million ... minigames?

How blind can these people be? no such thing as a mini-game console, or a very casual console; otherwise PS2 would be last gens very casual console and still, was the market leader and got pretty much everything. Does that mean there's no hardcores there? not by a country mile.

PS2 sold a million buzz, eyetoys, singstars, oh god, it's a very casual console, the world is coming to an end.

It's not like that. No such thing as a very casual whatever, you guys just want to believe that while comtemplating how superior you think you are (and newsflash, isn't BG&E being toned doen for very casual players? yes it is)

Also, in my book BG&E is a Zelda clone... so now it's a very casual userbase who won't buy it when Zelda TP sold more than 6 millions? flawed logic to say the least.

It's like saying you can't sell racing games on PS3 when they have GT.

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Don't get me wrong here - the Wii is a good console for VERY casual players, but when it comes to graphics, it reminds me of freakin' PS1 games with a bit of Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic filtering added on

If the Wii being more powerful than last gen consoles remembering you of PS1 you must be seeing only the games Ubisoft puts on it.

Try Mario Galaxy for graphics and stop trolling it as a "very casual ps1 console".

I won't even argue on the BG&E topic I just replyed to the madness I've seen sprouted in here. But I'll say when they supposedly have had problems to greenlight it due to the first one being a flop (that sold best on GC, mind you) you'd think they'd go for lower development costs, as well as Nintendo magazines and fans were actually chasing after that game... yet, Ubisoft pulled garbage (dogz babyz) on us instead; who knows if to help pay the game we won't have.

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Because that's just disheartening.... Ugh that people think that way.

Fanboys/hateboys on other consoles like to convince themselves of that... that and the "very casual argument" and repeat it over and over before going to sleep until they believe it.

more than "that game won't sell on the Wii" which they say, it's more realistic that, if they have any reality on them left "that game can't sell on the wii" can't as... it must not sell "otherwise we are screwed" they're afraid that, that the wii being market leader could instead of being the one who gets a crappy port is actually the leading platform for such projects (not outlandish, PS2 is way weaker than Wii as was the leading platform for games like king kong who came out on X360 as well)

It's the faster selling console ever after all, they don't want to accept it, so they dismiss it and do jokes about it. While Ubisoft promises Nintendo Quality and delivers the PS1 graphics these guys want to see to make jokes out of, in short... seems like it's a symbiosis, Ubisoft, their bad and insulting software and these guys.

But one thing is the average forum poster with outlandish thoughts, other is a company who should seriously do a reality check at this point.

Yeah its really unfortunate wii owners wont get a peice of the action.

I might understand the decision if the next gen consoles actually improved the game. But as Ive been wining about in other forums, I dont think the extra graphic capabilities and next gen standards are helping this game visually. The teaser just looks realistic and needlessly detailed while the previous games visual style was all about fantasy and magic. So if they are going to exclude and dissapoint the the biggest BG&E and adventure game fans just for that I think its silly.

Also the last game was accesible. Anyone, no matter what console they had could buy a copy and be blown away and it managed to look fantastic without relying on hardware capabilities so why change that now when conforming with next gen standards only makes the game the opposite of what fans fell in love with. If they evolved it so it looked more like it does on videogame covers and wallpapers they could make a fresh and fantastic looking game that everyone could play. Seriously it would not bother me if the made this game for the wii and then ported it to the 360 bcoz thats kind of what they did last generation when they made the playstation a base platform and ported it to more powerful platforms.

None the less I was relieved to find out it wasnt a wii exclusive bcoz I only have a 360 But alot of adventure fans have wii's for games like Zelda and Mario so why, of all people exclude them? But the biggest irony is that apprently they wish to make it more 'casual' and yet exclude the wii market bcoz its full of 'casual' players

Still I will take all of this back if the game ends up looking spectacular on the 360

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I, too, am disappointed by the apparent lack of a Wii version. I'm hoping that the XBox 360, PS3, PC announcement isn't final and that there is still a chance of a Wii version surfacing in the coming months.

I played BG&E on the GCN. It's currently the only version of the game I have (though I am planning on purchasing the PC version through Steam just as soon as my finances clear up a bit). The Wii is the only next-gen console that I own, and I will not purchase a new console for just one game no matter how spectacular it is (and both the XBox 360 and PS3 are too expensive for me, anyway). So, for BG&E2, I will be getting the PC version if no Wii version is released (my PC is more than powerful enough unless they go crazy on the required specs).

That said, I find it sadly ironic that of the 3 next-gen systems, the Wii is the one that plays the original (the GCN version, through backwords compatibility) the best.

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Originally posted by Clomer1:
I, too, am disappointed by the apparent lack of a Wii version. I'm hoping that the XBox 360, PS3, PC announcement isn't final and that there is still a chance of a Wii version surfacing in the coming months.

I played BG&E on the GCN. It's currently the only version of the game I have (though I am planning on purchasing the PC version through Steam just as soon as my finances clear up a bit). The Wii is the only next-gen console that I own, and I will not purchase a new console for just one game no matter how spectacular it is (and both the XBox 360 and PS3 are too expensive for me, anyway). So, for BG&E2, I will be getting the PC version if no Wii version is released (my PC is more than powerful enough unless they go crazy on the required specs).

That said, I find it sadly ironic that of the 3 next-gen systems, the Wii is the one that plays the original (the GCN version, through backwords compatibility) the best.

Actually looking at the in-engine teaser I think a pc version will have to push the system requirements. Either that or they will have to downgrade alot and as I said in other posts, I dont imagine it would look good after being downgraded bcoz the art style isnt as illistrative and relys on hardware to look attractive. But who knows maybe they will find a way

Why do you want the pc version of the 1st game if you have it on gamecube?

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Originally posted by Clomer1:
That said, I find it sadly ironic that of the 3 next-gen systems, the Wii is the one that plays the original (the GCN version, through backwords compatibility) the best.

That's because it's basically an updated GameCube, in all seriousness. There is no emulation involved with it running GameCube games, which is why it runs every one of them perfectly. Why, it's arguable to call it a "next-gen" system.

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Originally posted by mystique1987:
Actually looking at the in-engine teaser I think a pc version will have to push the system requirements. Either that or they will have to downgrade alot and as I said in other posts, I dont imagine it would look good after being downgraded bcoz the art style isnt as illistrative and relys on hardware to look attractive. But who knows maybe they will find a way

Don't worry about the hardware requirements. If a game is being designed as a multi-platform game, then current generation PC hardware (GeForce 8 and up or Radeon HD) would have no trouble running it. The games that really push the limits of modern PC hardware are those that are designed exclusively for the PC, such as Crysis. Neither the PS3 or 360 are capable of running Crysis, however I believe they are making a downgraded version for the consoles.

Despite hearing people say over and over again that the Cube version of the original sold the best, I have never seen numbers to back it up.

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Wii is not only for minigames, proof is that games have sold there, is REUC, RE4, Mario galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, hell red Steel and a bunch of others sold more than a million ... minigames?

Imo, every single game you mentioned there, is not even worth buying. Mario = LOL. Can't they think of something new? Metroid Prime 3 is just another minigame compared to something like Halo. Red Steel is crappy.
Maybe RE4 isn't just another minigame, but my point is, the market is aimed towards dumb casual games for the Wii. The graphics are horrible, and can hardly match up with the PS2. It's an updated GameCube. I don't think it's really a next-gen console in terms of technology whatsoever, whereas the 360, PS3 are.
I doubt it's being released for the Wii anyway, so there's no argueing there

Actually I heard Ubisoft are deliberatly developing only 'casual' games for the wii and have been relying on those profits to fund expensive next-gen titles.

I dont know if its true but if it is that means that nasty BG&E2 teasers content was actually expensive tp produce and now BG&E is going to have to be even more profitable to prove that it was worth investing in. If they had to invest so much why couldnt they actually improve the game.

Ohh and yes its also probably not fair to use wii owners to appease other fansStill these are just rumors based on events and decisions by ubi.

If you buy Vigil's crap ( and don't kid yourself V, that's what it is and I ain't buyin' it) the game hasn't been announced for any console yet. So, "officially" they have not ruled out a fully developed wii version. I guess you can look for some kind of hope there. I love the wii as a concept but most of the software has been very dissappointing.

GC_Etosi_GiR,

I wouldn't call what Ubi.Vigil posted 'crap'.
I think it merely created confusion.

Wait and see I guess.

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Originally posted by GC_Etosi_GiR:
If you buy Vigil's crap ( and don't kid yourself V, that's what it is and I ain't buyin' it) the game hasn't been announced for any console yet. So, "officially" they have not ruled out a fully developed wii version. I guess you can look for some kind of hope there. I love the wii as a concept but most of the software has been very dissappointing.

They could be giving us a Wii exclusive version (not a spin-off with a secondary team) and they wouldn't be doing us a favor.

When they've showed it like they did, it's pretty much obvious, no Wii version and even if ther eis one, it's secondary, lesser priority and not the main platform.

which sucks as everything Ubisoft did for us so far.

Guess we also have to thank Ubisoft for loads of "disapointing software" already, they're the epitome of it on the Wii.

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Originally posted by bitebug2003:
Thank you for all your patience everyone

Ubisoft has Announced Beyond Good & Evil 2 this afternoon

I am shaking while typing this as this has been a long 5 year wait...

It's happening BG&E2 finally here.

So um... did they announce it or not? I suppose I could just be confused. I hope I am. By the way do you remember what your post said that vigil deleted on the "Breaking News!!..." topic?
It seems to me they announced it and now they want to take it back. Which is fine. I completely understand how projects this early in development can be fragile and tentative in many different ways. So if Vigil wants to come on and say "Hey we kinda announced this early so it may or may not actually happen." That would be ok. But that's not what he's doing he's saying we got over zeaulous, read too much into the video, that Ubi never officialy said anything, and deleting all the info that discounts his statement. I don't have a problem with what he's doing it's how he's doing it that bothers me.

I'm in the dark as much as the rest of the BG&E Community