Well it's hard to tell what countries will and what won't, turn into superpowers.

man cant believe this has gone for so long lol. Is atlantic theater between the big boys. All the countries in south america have no potential to become a superpower unless they all unite into a country. and even then, their geography is that of ancient greece. Cities in the middile of nowhere surrounded by huge forests, and high mountains, so defending anything in there is very hard.

So to end somewhat good. They have the potential IF they unite, and even then, they have no technology, country to country roads are dirt roads or mountain passes, very few roads available, and the landescape doesn't help on trade either.

IN anycase I dont worry, none of the countries have any real military power, hell mexico on its own could all the countries except for Colombia and maybe argentina.

We don't know what can happen by that time. Those countries could possibly militarize in a few years.

Yeah...if militarization means creating mass quantities of muskets :P JK JK

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man cant believe this has gone for so long lol. Is atlantic theater between the big boys. All the countries in south america have no potential to become a superpower unless they all unite into a country. and even then, their geography is that of ancient greece. Cities in the middile of nowhere surrounded by huge forests, and high mountains, so defending anything in there is very hard.

Wouldnt that make it much easier to defend???

The only way the enemy would be able to launch an effective assault would be through the air and infantry movements. Tanks and other vehicles wouldn't be able to move through mountains or jungle and their troops would be very experienced at jungle warfare.

And Fin single handidly takes down Spartas and brings a new level to this debate

South America could become a power if it wanted to. They could pull a EF union. Brazil has a massive population and landmass (I believe its one of the largest countries in the world, however on a map it looks smaller because of the lines and longitude and latitude). Brazil just achieved energy indipendance. This will help thier economy grow and will not be weighed down by recession.

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Originally posted by Spartas-Julius:
Yeah...if militarization means creating mass quantities of muskets :P JK JK

Well, technically it is lol

Oh, and I think South America already has pulled some sort of union. I'll try to find it for you guys.

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Originally posted by Spartas-Julius:
man cant believe this has gone for so long lol. Is atlantic theater between the big boys. All the countries in south america have no potential to become a superpower unless they all unite into a country. and even then, their geography is that of ancient greece. Cities in the middile of nowhere surrounded by huge forests, and high mountains, so defending anything in there is very hard.

So to end somewhat good. They have the potential IF they unite, and even then, they have no technology, country to country roads are dirt roads or mountain passes, very few roads available, and the landescape doesn't help on trade either.

IN anycase I dont worry, none of the countries have any real military power, hell mexico on its own could all the countries except for Colombia and maybe argentina.

You really dont like south america do you spartas? lol

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Wouldnt that make it much easier to defend???

Well normally yes. Like maybe Italy frmo the ALphs having lots of supplies and bases right behind them. The balkans, turkey leading to the east, Syria fromt eh north.


The problem with South America, is it has GREAT geography for a developed society, they have cities SPREAD so far apart, and roads so poorly constructed, that UNLES their airforce is top nothc, it would be incredlby hard to supply any city because of their distance.

Their airforce would need control of the skies in order to supply any city. As well as to have Naval Superiority....lol which they have.....Venezuela has the BIGGEST FLEET in south america. 2 submarines and a few destroyers.....or was it 3...cant remember :P.

Is not that i dont like it, Iw as born there, and IS beautiful....the chicks also :P. is just they are too long from becoming anything major. If for example by now they were like...mexico where they developed their infrastructure or maybe even france.

The only thing that would make them effective is an airforce.....and the flying everyone knows down there are kites :P.

The are not developed, to be able to take full advantage of their geography. There are many....who the hell am I kidding, there aren't many cities. That is why I compare them to ancient greece. For every country there might be...1-2 cities, and one big one, being capital.

Venezuela has 2 major cities, and then 3rd its is capital with ALL economy based on sea.....doubt 2 or 3 submarines can deliver any sort of defense.
brazil has great infantry but its energy is based on endless acres of farm which to a war wont survive long.
In other words, just imagine fighting them like vietnam.....just that there isn't a north vietnam. The cities are in the coastline, behind them is forest....behind the forest is.....forest.....and behind the forest....more forest. In any case the problem with msot of the countries in south america is that 99% of their structures, factories, powerplants everything is, right against the sea, literally, 5-10 mins from the seashore and all you'll see is farms, then jungle.
Brazil is like.........well there is reallyno palce like it.....99% forest so its "huge" landmass is just coz they went as deep as they could and said "everything behidn this tree in the middle of nowhere is mine" They cant exploit that mass until they brn down the forest, and if they burn it down we'll be 1000 steps closer to our pretty next iceage.
Venezuela is the same thing Imagine The assualt of normandy. The beach has all the cities infrastructure and factories, behind the cities is a BIG wall of rock called the mountains, behidn that is jungle, unexploited and controlled by terrorists.

Chile, Argentina are the same.
Bolivia.....well wth they got like 1 cities, they remind me more of a feudal state on medieval times lol, one city surroudned by tons of farms...of coke, since they openly grow it coz is their national plant and stuff.
Paraguy and Uruguay are....well best thing they got is their soccer team.

Peopl can say "if" or "when" they unite, point is, it doesn't matter, theya re not developed enough, and it would literally take them 50 years, if they enslave all their population and make them work 24/7 to achieve something like Mexico prior to 1980's. To a developed country Geography is the best ally, to an undeveloped nation its is worst nightmare because it does nto act as a defensive barrier, but as a containment one.

I bet that like hte EF and the Commonwealth, South America forms its own superstate as well - they could do it if they all buckled down and banded together, venezuela's got oil and almost all the countries in SA have some resource that as a superpower would come in handy - i bet they'll be left out for the sequal and it'll be the Commonwealth vs. SA (and when i mean south america i mean the main part, not panama, mexico, costa rica, etc)

Union of South American Nations

Told you guys I'd try to find it. They say it was modeled after the EU and since the EU evolves into the EF, maybe this will turn into something like that as well.

In this installment no SA has no role


But Brazil might be a superpower or the ability to back up a larger SA superpower by 2020

And someone used the therm hyper power earlier
are you mkaing up words cause im only aware of superpower(what the US is now and what the US,EF, and Russia are in the game) and world powers like the UK, France, Russia, China today

Well America is technically a "Hyper" power, but we just say superpower so everyone else doesn't get jealous.

The time Brazil or any South American Country is a Superpower......besides the fact that with a decade or two, a superpower will be defeined by not "who has nukes" but "who can defend against nukes". by the time South AMerican countries become a superpower, we'll be far into Mass Effect style of living :P.

IN other words, when SA becomes a "superpower" we'll have 3-5 new ranks above a superpower that everyone else has gone to, hyperpower, ubber power, ubbber ubber power... AMZINGLY ubber power. lol u get my drift :P

well the USSR became a superpower in like 10 years so I dont think its too unreasonable to think that south america might become a super power in the 2020's

ACtually you made me run for my money. Is searched around and you almost changed my mind but:

Unlike USSR South AMerica has:
-bad geography that actually hampers progress to undevelop countries
-their geopgraphy will slow or nearly stop any true military and economical progress without technology available in top notch countries.
-Their infrastructure has not been nurtured

Unlike other unions, the geography was not a big problem. But the mountains that go throughout the entire country.

In anycase as I said before, going through or around mountains takes a long time, alot of resources which SA has, but high tech to even make it stable and effective, something SA does not has.

They have the motive, the initiative, the resources, these are half of the equation, with terrain against them, and severe lack of technology innitiative and resources wont get you far.

And no I dont mean resources OOO they can buy the trucks. They could at an incredible cost, but the terrain is just not on their favor.

But hey.......Jesus came once, that was the greatest miracle of all time. There is a slim chance they can pull the 2nd greatest miracle by becoming a superpower......before new status above "superpower" is created :P

I don't understand why South America is so reclusive all the time, it is WW3, so shouldn't the whole world be involved? (though it is true that not all the countries in the world were part of WW2, but the majority of those countries were either occupied by an involved or were very small countries without a large military) though it could still be referred to as a world war due to the large military scale it was waged on, but when it gets down to it, it's just not like all the other World War RTS games(though they did have a story already developed)

i dont remember the specifics. But a "world war" is something that involves more than one continent I think. The firs true world war was napoleon time, when everyone got against each other and stuff. But w/e

They are reclusive because as we all know we dont tap something until "we are absolutely sure is there" otherwise is a waste of money.

I tell you this, if middle east had no Oil, theyw ould have to bribe the world to get attention, nobody like fanatics, or people who wiggle their oil ring around the world, but we got to for the time being. South America has so many resources, uranium, Gold, silver, wood, all of it. but is just so in the jungle that is just not worth it.

Whya re they so reclusive you ask? Hard to answer, there is not "that is why" thing, too many things come into place.

Their geography does not help any cities until theya re at the coast.

each of the countries in SA still has Indian roots VERY alive, they try to save as much resources as possible, they are that to safe is to win, to safe for the future, to not waste resources since scarcity is plenty there. So ina way whent hey see the US and all the US over spending...and whinning about OMG a rapist is gona get the lethal injection IS UNCONSITUTIONAL...
Down there someone rapes a girl,following days the family of the girl will solve the problem, the dude will appear dead somewhere and nobody will care. Since the governement has the oppressed for a long time, they yearn for the freedom we take for granted and waste. So is just their culture, they save money, food resources, and still have a hard time, while countries like China...or US, waste most of ours and we go by like royalty.

Look at it this way, the Incas built a huge and very successful empire in south America, and the only thing that made them go away was Fransisco Pizarro, if he hadn't showed up, then the Incas would likely exist to this day

Eh, maybe, no empire lasts forever.