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Sad Eyes Honestly! Why do they do that? Just make a .308 caliber M-16 and call it good, know what I mean? Though the 6.5 is a vast improvement over the 5.56.

Anybody out there ever fire a .22 Long Rifle?? It is the same size *bullet* that we are sending to Iraq! The only difference (besides the shape) is the .223 round has a little bit more powder behind it. The .223 is a joke in combat. So if any high-up brass is reading this, you now know where I stand.
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I can relate to that....I was hog-hunting with my Granpa a few years back with a .223

Damn near headshotted the hog 6-8 times.....we literally sat there for a minute alternating shots into its head, and it just kept moaning. Poor thing..... would've been a quick and clean job with a decent .308 .

I really didn't know our guys were over there with rounds equivalent to a .223...... I feel really bad for them. No wonder why the KIA statistics are so high. Not much you can do when it takes 8 well placed rounds to incapacitate someone, especially when they have an AK-47 pointed right back at you. If anything that'd be like stabbing someone holding a handgun. Yea you might kill him if you get him in just the right spot.....but if not he has all the upper hand.

I'm surprised soldiers aren't trying to smuggle in their own personal weapons.....

Wow thats unorthodox

When ever I think about the troops in Iraq and Afghanstan I think about SMG's and Rifles that could rip apart a person in seconds. Not some dinky weapon that wouldnt even kill a wild pig!

We found a small case of ammo in our school washroom (in the roof!), no gun though, The story is that it was put there years ago and forgotten. My friend got his hands on one of the bullets and it was atleast 3.4 incheas, hell I thought thats what they were using in combat...

Sorry im not very smart when it comes to weapons and rounds and such. Im better at politics and that stuff.

Yea the worst part was we were literally about 20yrds away from the damn thing....and shooting down from a stand. So the bullets were easily at maximum velocity.... if not increased due to the downward angle.

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Originally posted by zterrans:

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Originally posted by vazquezlax:
anyone know what the deal is with the Future Force Warrior program and the Land Warrior program?
i know originally the LW was supposed to be a combat prototype for FFW but there was a rumor the FFW was canceled and some EndWar websites state that the JSF infantry tech. is built off of the LW program, not FFW...
any help? i'm kinda a nerd my self somewhat when it comes to military tech but i'm not quite sure on this....

Land Warrior was folded into Future Force Warrior, it wasn't canceled, just changed significantly and updated. As for the FFW stuff, I believe the lower-tech things involved are supposed to be utilized by Striker Brigades, and I think the rest is supposed to be on the way.

zterrans is right the LW program was folded into the FFW. http://www.gdc4s.com/content/detail.cfm?item=aa0d1b86-a...-f8c2157beb7e&page=8



And yes some modified LW equipment is now with the Manchus (stryker brigade) I believe it is the 4/9th who have them.

General Dynamics is working on an upgrade in the interim called LandWarriorFusion. Here's some info: http://www.gdc4s.com/documents/LW%20FUSION_data%20sht6.pdf

Another interesting upgrade for the Landwarrior and perhaps if ENDWAR has this as an upgrade for the JSF is counter-sniper detection for infantry.

"General Dynamics Corp.’s C4 Systems unit will integrate BBN Technologies Inc.’s Boomerang sniper-detection system into its Land Warrior system. ...The Boomerang system uses small microphones and a digital display to detect and analyze the muzzle blast and shock wave of a speeding round. Distance and direction of the sniper is then displayed to the soldier, General Dynamics said.

The technology is being integrated under a $250,000 task order under the Land Warrior contract. Six sniper-detection systems will be delivered to a Stryker Brigade Combat Team in Iraq before the end of the year, the company said


http://www.washingtontechnology.com/online/1_1/31577-1.html

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Originally posted by vazquezlax:

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Originally posted by AlphaDelta219:
technically the land warrior program was cancelled, but all of the work was transferred to FFW.

Isn't Land Warrior in use in Iraq? i know this doesn't count for much - but I saw LW on future weapons lol
What's the deal with the new body armor? is the army sticking with the crye-armor? or going with the ferrofluid and magnetorheological fluid armor? b/c i know that so far dragon skin is out (even though it is the body armor god)

LW was suspended(cancelled pretty much) right before hte deployment of the 4/9th. i havent heard much other htan what ATACMS just posted and taht the stuff from LW would be integrated into FFW.

Here's a very nice and informative video courtesy of Aviation Week on the Excalibur, GPS guided artillery munition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-lj5QvZYBo&feature=user

Some of you might think big deal, what does this have to do with the game, well this was a question I posted and the devs were nice enough to answer:

Will armored vehicles have the ability to fire different munitions such as HEAT rounds, APFSDS rounds, precision munitions like the B-LOS munition that will be equipping M1's and the FCS?

and the devs responded:
Yes, armored vehicles can upgrade their munitions and also have primary and secondary attacks that enable them to choose which munition to use. These include guided munitions like Excalibur, high explosive rounds, extended range munitions, armor piercing rounds, fuel air shells, bomblets etc.

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Originally posted by DukeCanada:
Wow thats unorthodox

When ever I think about the troops in Iraq and Afghanstan I think about SMG's and Rifles that could rip apart a person in seconds. Not some dinky weapon that wouldnt even kill a wild pig!

We found a small case of ammo in our school washroom (in the roof!), no gun though, The story is that it was put there years ago and forgotten. My friend got his hands on one of the bullets and it was atleast 3.4 incheas, hell I thought thats what they were using in combat...

Sorry im not very smart when it comes to weapons and rounds and such. Im better at politics and that stuff.

Well here, watch this video on Youtube. Its the Discovery Channel show FutureWeapons, but I think he does a good job showing the difference in energy between the 5.56 and 7.62 rounds. Just disregard the foreign captions on the bottom, this is the only vid of this I could find! Must be a conspiracy...

The fun starts at 2:40 minute mark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QTIiEGFbCQ

Put that in your pipe and smoke it...

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Here's a very nice and informative video courtesy of Aviation Week on the Excalibur, GPS guided artillery munition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-lj5QvZYBo&feature=user

Some of you might think big deal, what does this have to do with the game, well this was a question I posted and the devs were nice enough to answer:

Will armored vehicles have the ability to fire different munitions such as HEAT rounds, APFSDS rounds, precision munitions like the B-LOS munition that will be equipping M1's and the FCS?

and the devs responded:
Yes, armored vehicles can upgrade their munitions and also have primary and secondary attacks that enable them to choose which munition to use. These include guided munitions like Excalibur, high explosive rounds, extended range munitions, armor piercing rounds, fuel air shells, bomblets etc.

Don't know if it matters but it's also a nice way to keep those paladins and stuff on the battlefield just firing different ammo.

Although it could be vulnerable to radar jamming because of the gps thats built in it.

And this is in the GAME, omg can't wait to get my Arty veteran or whatever to see these in game.

Also on those humvee replacemnts, your point poven about the armor, also about the IED protection.
Don't think a Fennek has ever been hit by a IED btw, I think (although) they have a low profile they'll fare well against such an attack since probably most of the energy of kinectic energy from scraphnell will go under it or over and it kinda gots sloped armor on the sides.

And those reactive warheads are tottally awesome from a scientific popint of view, stable enough to fire and stable enough to be volatile on impact because of pressure.
Sheer awesomeness if you ask me!!!!!

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Originally posted by atacms:
Here's a very nice and informative video courtesy of Aviation Week on the Excalibur, GPS guided artillery munition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-lj5QvZYBo&feature=user

Some of you might think big deal, what does this have to do with the game, well this was a question I posted and the devs were nice enough to answer:

Will armored vehicles have the ability to fire different munitions such as HEAT rounds, APFSDS rounds, precision munitions like the B-LOS munition that will be equipping M1's and the FCS?

and the devs responded:
Yes, armored vehicles can upgrade their munitions and also have primary and secondary attacks that enable them to choose which munition to use. These include guided munitions like Excalibur, high explosive rounds, extended range munitions, armor piercing rounds, fuel air shells, bomblets etc.

Neat, BTW this thread isn't just for Endwar weapons, any sort of future kit from any country is welcome, might also give the devs some inspiration for endwar 2

BTW AT, I read some interesting info on a German guided/loitering weapons project called HOPE/HOSBO, HOPE's the direct attack muntion one, but HOSBO is going to have a high energy microwave warhead.

This high tech piece of gear which is a militarised Ipod nano looks alot in my opinion to the gadget this JSF trooper has on his wrist below:

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Originally posted by muttbut:
BTW this thread isn't just for Endwar weapons, any sort of future kit from any country is welcome, might also give the devs some inspiration for endwar 2

BTW AT, I read some interesting info on a German guided/loitering weapons project called HOPE/HOSBO, HOPE's the direct attack muntion one, but HOSBO is going to have a high energy microwave warhead.

Yes, I read about the HOPE and HOSBO. The Germans have been doing quite well in the area of precision guided munitions (PGM's).

Here's another one, the Taurus.

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The Taurus has an effective reach of at least 370 kilometers, carrying the 990 pounds Mephisto warhead at a speed of over a thousand kilometers an hour. The smart penetrator system is capable of recognizing already destroyed structures and counting floor levels of buildings it attacks. This enables the Taurus to deliver its explosive power with an extremely high accuracy. The stealthy cruise missile navigates through GPS guidance and an infrared seeker with visual displaying capabilities

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20060402.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlNUPy1fk38



Also the USAF is partly interested know that the JASSM missile has not been doing too well in tests in addition to the fact that the German missile has a better fuze which can count the voids (empty space) and tell the missile when to detonate.

This is very useful in urban areas when you have an ultra sneaky enemy who hides their facilities within a school or hospital for example. So you don't destroy the entire building only the floor that you want!

A little off topic but kinda relevent to End War - this is kinda a semi-poll 2...
from the new rifle systems developed for all the new special forces - which do you like the most?
SCAR series
M468 Carbine
MK416 series
Bushmaster ACR
XM8 Carbine series

personally i like the HK416 with the M468 and SCAR in close second...

Got some information about the german idz-system

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"The elements of the German Army IdZ Infantryman of the Future system include: bullet-proof vest, NBC protection, night vision equipment, digital navigation and communication, tactical speech and data communication and a new range of weapons."

(sry, found no better pic...)

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/idz/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idz

It`s built completely modular, so that the equipment can be changed if better technology is available.
Also it`s already in field-testing in afghanistan.
(if u find any mistakes, feel free to keep them, they`re presents )

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I could easily imagine much smaller computers utilized for GPS navigation and such, but I think such devices would be better utilized attached to the wrist, but not displayed in front of the face. Imagine the first time a tired soldier thinks that his way point on his helmet display is an enemy in the distance.

There's a pic from the Ranger Regiment website that shows a high speed with a water-resistant notepad on his left wrist (its hard to see but its there), just imagine if that was a bendable computer screen that can download OPORDs, relay positional information, and mark enemy positions.

ok so im well rested and can add to this thread now.

new assualt rifles the military is about to test against the m4s for knock down power/reliablility/accuracy

LWRC Infantry Automatic Assualt rifle (i have no link so type it into google)

and my fave the Masada assualt rifle. multi ammuntition/barrel/ what erver else you can think of. this weapons can be built from the ground up by any soldier with a short/medium/ or long barrel for long shots. its fully customizable and it can fire all sorts of bullets from NATO rounds to the Ak rounds to even the m4 rounds.
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=975


now that is my type of weapons and i hope the army/marines stop using the old m4 and put this puppy into use after they do the tests.


also the Knight's Armament m110 Sniper rifle

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Originally posted by vazquezlax:
A little off topic but kinda relevent to End War - this is kinda a semi-poll 2...
from the new rifle systems developed for all the new special forces - which do you like the most?
SCAR series
M468 Carbine
MK416 series
Bushmaster ACR
XM8 Carbine series

personally i like the HK416 with the M468 and SCAR in close second...

My favorites are the HK416 and M468. If either one of those goes into full service with the US military, the HK416 would be the most likely in my opinion.

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Originally posted by tylniles:

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Originally posted by vazquezlax:
A little off topic but kinda relevent to End War - this is kinda a semi-poll 2...
from the new rifle systems developed for all the new special forces - which do you like the most?
SCAR series
M468 Carbine



MK416 series
Bushmaster ACR
XM8 Carbine series

personally i like the HK416 with the M468 and SCAR in close second...

My favorites are the HK416 and M468. If either one of those goes into full service with the US military, the HK416 would be the most likely in my opinion.

yeah HK416 - my only wish is that it should be chambered with the 6.8mm round instead of the 5.56mm - but, you can't have everything can you?

Yeah, that's the one thing that had me torn between the two. Although I have to admit that it would probably be pretty difficult to completely shift to an entirely different bullet. That would add a whole new load onto logistics. Logistics is already difficult enough as it is. That's why I think the HK416 is the more likely choice. Because it's just like the M4 or M16, it just has more durability. And durability seems to be the major issue of the current assault rifles. As far as stopping power, if the first shot doesn't do it, then just fire again.... I know in the heat of battle it's probably alot more complicated, but the 5.56 is still a decent round.

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Originally posted by tylniles:
Yeah, that's the one thing that had me torn between the two. Although I have to admit that it would probably be pretty difficult to completely shift to an entirely different bullet. That would add a whole new load onto logistics. Logistics is already difficult enough as it is. That's why I think the HK416 is the more likely choice. Because it's just like the M4 or M16, it just has more durability. And durability seems to be the major issue of the current assault rifles. As far as stopping power, if the first shot doesn't do it, then just fire again.... I know in the heat of battle it's probably alot more complicated, but the 5.56 is still a decent round.

If someone said they were going to shoot you in the shoulder, but you had a choice between an m4 or AK, what would you choose?

Obviously your choice would be the m4, and that's exactly why the army needs a new gun. No soldier wants to be carrying around a weapon that someone else would prefer to get shot by.

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Originally posted by S_Abbadon:
Got some information about the german idz-system

quote:

"The elements of the German Army IdZ Infantryman of the Future system include: bullet-proof vest, NBC protection, night vision equipment, digital navigation and communication, tactical speech and data communication and a new range of weapons."

(sry, found no better pic...)

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/idz/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idz

It`s built completely modular, so that the equipment can be changed if better technology is available.
Also it`s already in field-testing in afghanistan.
(if u find any mistakes, feel free to keep them, they`re presents )

with that range finder it looks more like the armed tourist of the future.