Well, we know how this game ends, Elika dies, the prince sets Ahriman free again to return her to life again and he takes her from the temple ... but now what?

I would like to see the prince and elika with a stronger relationship, you know what i mean It would be cool to see the prince like ... how to explain it ... lost, sad, because he has sold his soul to ahriman. And i would love to see them searching is some place for Ormaz to take Ahriman in prison again and return the prince´s soul to him again.

And of course ... where´s farah??


Well, your ideas?? (maybe one of us discovers the new game XD )


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Thanks.

//Zgubilici

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Totally agree about trying to find Ormazd. Where is that butthead??

Because even if Elika succeeded, they're again putting a band-aid on the problem without actually fixing it. In another thousand years the tree will get weak and some dink will think it's a great idea to free the God of Darkness.

I agree Elika and Prince should progress beyond their vague flirty banter (or Prince's anyway, Elika was pretty noncommittal). But I have a feeling Elika is going to be super ticked that Prince basically undid all their hardwork, so a few hours of her being angry would be amusing.

Maybe there could be some sort of time-limit on it. After all, Prince sold his soul so how will it take Ahriman to collect on it? Kinda gets into Dahaka territory though. Or instead of a save system, every mistake gets you closer and closer to being completely Corrupted. You screw up too many times and Prince goes berserker crazy, chasing Elika so Elika has to take Prince to a heal spot to knock some sense into him.

This is fun! Whee speculation!

I think my main concern with the next game in the series would be if they make the Prince turn into corrupted during parts of the game, like in T2T. Sure I liked it then, but I don't know if they could get away with doing it again?

I'd like to see Elika and the Prince rebuild their relationsgip, considering he did just re-release the God of darkness, and himself, will soon become that in which they both hunted Oh the irony.

Maybe have parts during the game where the Prince becomes really corrupt and you control Elika, having to weaken the Prince and hold back the corruption.

Searching for Ormazd and maybe some of the more powerful Auhra to help combat/keep the corruption at bay within the Prince and the world.

Doubt it, and I'm pretty sure UBIsoft will come up with better

Well, the Prince is "corrupted" in a tinny fraction of POPNG, Elika heals him in one of those Healing Grounds.

Yeah I really hope they don't turn this corruption into a dark prince alike
Do something more constructive with it. Evil forms are soooo over used anyway

While I admit I could be wrong, I don't believe the Prince sold his soul/made a deal with Ahriman. Elika's father chose that path, to deal with Ahriman for the return of his daughter's life (which we saw in the flashbacks). The Prince simply severed the tree of life and collected that power to return her, on his own terms. Which I think differentiates why his actions fully freed Ahriman.

My assumption is, based on certain conversations with the game, that we will be visiting many other lands outside of the city (as Elika said, there are other fertile grounds outside the city) and quite possibly searching for the descendants of the Ahura who fled the city. This will provide for both a symbolic cleansing of the Ahura from abandoning their duties (as I'm fairly confident the Prince will be seeking a way to destroy/seal Ahriman that will not cost Elika her life), and providing a bulwark against the forces a fully released Ahriman will have unleashed upon the world. Mostly likely going to take a darker (ala WW) tone to the overall game. I'm also fairly sure we will be delving into the Prince's past, what happened to his family, and how he ended up turning away (as did the Ahura) from his responsibilities. The one thing I don't quite have a grasp on is whether or not Elika's mother will play a part. They were far too vague as to the circumstances of both her life and her death, meaning it is either inconsequential or she will be of prime significance. Have to consider that one a bit...

As for the Prince and Elika...the spark is most certainly there. In PoP4, Elika had lead an extremely sheltered life, and the Prince was leading a vagabonds experience having turned away from his past. Throughout the game we saw them slowly grow (granted, Elika moreso than the Prince) and change from these perspectives, often through the assistance of one another. I think the next game will push the Prince (who will naturally be prodded and hopefully supported by Elika) to face his decisions, both before meeting her, and choosing to "sacrifice her sacrifice". Will this bring them "together"? I don't know, but to quote The Duke, "Because all the gold in the United States Treasury, and all the harp music in heaven, can't equal what happens between a man and a woman, with all that growing together. I can't explain it any better than that."

It's gonna be interesting.

In one of the on-demand dialogues, Elika says that her father releasing Ahriman intentionally would be like killing her mother again to him, and that he couldn't have done that. While I didn't want Elika to die at the end, I also didn't want the prince to do exactly that - release Ahriman and "kill" Elika all over again. He destroyed the very thing that she (and her family) spent their entire lives protecting, just to bring her back because he loved her (or so we assume). Elika would never have wanted him to do this, she proved that she would gladly die for their cause if it meant saving the world from the dark god of corruption.

Elika coming back to life on that stone and realizing what the Prince had just done had to have felt like her entire life's work up until that point was just made completely worthless, and the guy who helped her achieve her goals all along turned out to be a crazy lunatic who doesn't really care about all of it, he just wants her back. The blank, lifeless, aimless stare into the distance that Elika has at the last few seconds of the ending (after she turns away from the Prince in disgust) gave me chills... she looked completely destroyed, defeated, and helpless... almost zombified. I felt so bad for Elika, even though she was alive again. The Prince brought her back into a world where everything she fought for was now defeated and she gets to return just in time to witness everything go to hell. I sure wouldn't want to come back to life just to see that :P I called the Prince a lot of swear words for doing that to her

But then, what would've happened if he hadn't brought her back? Elika herself told us that the tree was weakening long before any of this happened. She also mentioned that as long as one Ahura remains, Ahriman will not be free. If the Prince didn't revive Elika, we could say that Ahriman would have eventually escaped anyway, especially with no one left to hold him back. Elika was the last person with the ability to stop him, so if she had stayed dead, all Ahriman would've had to do was wait and he would be able to release himself with no opposition. Maybe the Prince figured this out, and decided he was prepared to screw over the world now with a chance of fixing it, or leaving everything the way it is only for it all to happen 1000 years later with no chance of stopping it (Elika). It's kind of a cruel cycle - Elika is forced to give the only thing that's keeping her alive to the tree to stop Ahriman from escaping this very moment, yet the Prince is forced to undo all of it, releasing Ahriman to bring Elika back so she can do the same thing again...

I really like Elika and think she more than desserves to see her work completed while still being alive and healthy. Ahriman basically murdered her, so there's no reason for her to "have" to stay dead, letting her cheat death would be total justice - some punk *** dark god wants to pick on good people, good people need to get the last laugh on punk *** dark god

The Prince, I'm not so sure about him. We don't know what his true intentions were yet. He could've simply snapped and gone off his rocker thus releasing a Dark God upon the world so he could have his girl back, or he could actually be a misunderstood hero that needed to do what he did and was prepared for the consequences. I'm not quite as attached to him as I am to Elika (he is definitely a jerk), but if he continues to soften up with Elika and make more comments like the "your mother would be proud" one (don't remember if this was from a cutscene or on-demand..), he could score some points.

Some stuff I can't figure out:

1. Ormazd - WTF, where are you man?
2. At the end, it looked like Ahriman was about to cause the freaking apocalypse in a matter of seconds. He's not just "slowly escaping" anymore, he is a DARK GOD and he is FREE. How are we going to stop THAT?
3. What happened to Elika's father?
4. Elika's mother. Her tomb was overlooking the desert next to the temple stairs, it's where the Prince put Elika after she died. It was obviously destroyed by Ahriman when the temple exploded/crumbled (total disrespect). Could she possibly play a part, even though she's dead?
5. The Warrior seemed genuinely able to resist Ahriman's corruption after you beat him, but he was still losing. Was there something special about him we don't know about?

1. Him coming in will most likely be a major plot twist towards the end of this story
2. Haha that's why the next game is going to be EPIC
3. He jumped into corruption. Either he's sacrificed himself to Ahriman, or will come back in the next game as one of Ahrimans soldiers
4. Yeah her mother has some potential to be an important part of the story, we'll have to wait

5. He gave himself to Ahriman for his people, for the good of others. The others gave themselves for selfish desires. So yeah, he was special
Ahriman takes your soul, but obviously they still have their minds...
So he was able to fight corruption to some degree with his will, I guess

I'd love the next game to include the Prince becoming corrupted. I know people say that the Prince simply used took a Light Seed form the Tree of Life to revive Elika with, but then why would he cut the four trees outside the temple beforehand? The areas around them become corrupted. He even has a vision of Elika's father making the deal.

Besides, Ahriman can't exactly be a fair player. I'd think that Ahriman would say that the Prince had 'made a deal' with him and take his soul anyway. However, perhaps the fact that the Prince made the deal for Elika's sake would slow the corruption. After all, Elika's dad only really became Corrupted at the end - and he looked freaking awesome.

What I'd like is a reworked power purchasing system. Basically, the next game has light seeds as well. These can be traded in to grant/upgrade Elika powers. However, if the Prince takes them to a Corrupted place, he can change them to Dark Seeds, which upgrade HIS abilities, such as more moves in combat or unique platforming powers. However, this would make him visibly more Corrupted. Then we could have a sort of Corrupted/Uncorrupted sliding scale.

Anyway, I would like to see how the couple handle Ahriman's escape. Likely Elika will alternate between zombie-like depression and blind rage. You can see in the ending, just as she wakes up, she catches on very quickly. Her face is full of despair as she weakly asks, "Why?". The Prince will have to work damn hard to find an excuse that doesn't involve "I Love You". I think the Prince wanted her back because he was lonely. Elika was the only person he's ever opened up to, and he probably missed that.

Well, I just beat the game and overall I liked it. I must say I was a bit diappointed at the End. I didn't want to just walk oof and leave Elika there dead but I didn't want to free Ahriman either. I guess I was hoping that the trees would be bearing a Light Seed fruit or something to revive Elika or maybe the Prince lets out a loud howl of anguish. The Big O hears a disturbance in the Force and appears after a thousand years. though that prolly would have been weak too.

I think it would be funny if in the next game, the two come across Farah (the Princess from PoP3). Elika asks who she is and the Prince replies, "My donkey."

But I like Zerban's idea of the dark seed/light seed power ups. Having played the Mainstream titles of PoP, I can think of a few things I'd like to see. With the Empress dead, that leaves only Farah and Elika as interests. One of the ideas I thought about watching the credits is if in the next one Elika leaves the Prince in search of a way too stop Ahriman. The Prince continues on his somewhat merry way. He witnesses the devastation left in Ahriman's wake. As he watches the world burn, all because of his selflissness (maybe some flashbacks to the prev. titles) a messenger arrives who has been looking all over for him. Possibly a Royal messenger and maybe with the twist of being an Ahura or maybe hes just a plain messenger or a plain Ahura. Gives the Prince a quest. This provides the overall direction of the Game. As the Prince goes questing, he occassionly runs into Farah or Elika, possibly working together for a bit.The run-ins increase and each time the Heroine realizes the Prince's growth. Because throughout the game he'll either become darker or purer. Maybe some in game choices and reflections of what the player levels up. I loved the weapon upgrades from the earlier games. Maybe if the player levels up towards combat he'll look more rugged but if he levels up towards acrobatics he'll be sleeker. Idk, sounded good in my head but now its sounding Fable-ish. Hmm, just had another idea. What if that messenger was a dying Ahura and passes on some power to the Prince. Then he can level that up. And at the End of the Game he has found Ohrmazd's hidey hole and the Prince can either take his power to fight Ahriman, sacrifice the O to Ahriman or maybe the 2 Gods decide to resolve their differences with a Battle by their respective Champions. Depending on Gameplay the Champion coulds be Ahriman- Elika's Dad or the Prince and Ohrmazd can have a good Prince or Elika (Elika if the Prince became Evil). Well thats all for now folks.

Haha, he's causing the end of the world because he wants her to be with him, I doubt he's letting her go anywhere

What if the world literally has to go to hell until Ormarzd can return? Or maybe destroy both gods and be done with the problem entirely if they find him.

I think its implied that future locations will require the player to go sea-faring or at least let Elika see the ocean.

Everyone seems to talk as if the Prince has some sort of destiny, and I thought it strange how Ahriman's claws look not to disimilar to his gauntlet design.

I really have no idea how this mess is going to be sorted out but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing the famous 'Farah' donkey.

I would just like to have some Free form fighting back!!!!!!!!!!!! and weapon switching for the prince!!!! please!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have read in some of your posts about Elika´s mother. The voice that you can hear with Ahriman´s is her voice?? If so, she should appear.

And i think the prince should be able to swim too... It would be cool!!!

Had another idea, what if the Prince and Elika recieve a vision or somehow sense that Ormazd is coming back to fight back against Ahriman. Then the Prince and Elika's quest is just to hold back Ahrimans forces for as long as they can, so Ormazd can attempt to clean things up?

Actually that sounds lame and would be awkward to fit it into the platforming style.

I suppose it's hard to say about the sequel because we know very very little about anything, such as Elika's mothers death, Ahriman, Ormazd and even the world they live in. Maybe even a twist that Ormazd has disappeared due to him being weakened after fighting with Ahriman, and that both Gods are neither good. The only thing Ormazd seems to have done is set up the Aurha to fight and protect against the corruption and Ahriman. Yet with Ahriman, he refers to him being kind, and able to bring peace.

Ofcourse all speculations that aren't exactly ground breaking

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Originally posted by M_J_Davies:
Had another idea, what if the Prince and Elika recieve a vision or somehow sense that Ormazd is coming back to fight back against Ahriman. Then the Prince and Elika's quest is just to hold back Ahrimans forces for as long as they can, so Ormazd can attempt to clean things up?

Actually that sounds lame and would be awkward to fit it into the platforming style.

I suppose it's hard to say about the sequel because we know very very little about anything, such as Elika's mothers death, Ahriman, Ormazd and even the world they live in. Maybe even a twist that Ormazd has disappeared due to him being weakened after fighting with Ahriman, and that both Gods are neither good. The only thing Ormazd seems to have done is set up the Aurha to fight and protect against the corruption and Ahriman. Yet with Ahriman, he refers to him being kind, and able to bring peace.

Ofcourse all speculations that aren't exactly ground breaking

I thought about Ormazd possibly being bad too, but then you have realize, Ahriman is the god of corruption and black oozing-death, stealing people's souls, etc... I don't think he could really be considered "good" at all, unless Ormazd is somehow worse

Well he doesn't really steal peoples souls
Is it his fault that people sell him their souls? Most of them do it for selfish needs anyway.
Plus I think Ahriman is the God of Darkness, and in darkness, there is peace

Ormazd seems like sucha shifty character. I hope he turns out to be evil too ! Wanna go kick his useless ***. And I don't mean donkey

If i have to fight one of them ... Ormaz or Ahriman ... I hope the battle will show them!! not us from his view ... I didnt like that. I wanna fight them! not run from them!!

Well we kinda see him at the end by the looks of it, he's just a face, two pairs of hands and a glob of black stuff.

I liked that tbh, Elika and the Prince look pretty awesome from far away xD

I have an idea about Ormazd. Basically, he decided that the world would be better off if he let it be. However, when he saw that Elika's dad was about to free Ahriman, he sent a sandstorm to force the Prince into the Ahura's land. He simply expected the Prince to protect Elika from Ahriman's creatures, and Elika to keep him alive with her protective magic. He also expected the Prince to simply leave after Elika died. However, he didn't expect the Prince to be such a wild card. Thus Ahriman ends up free and Elika alive. Ormazd is understandably peeved, and returns to Earth to give the Prince a right telling-off. Ormazd gives them a plan of attack to defeat Ahriman. However, it would involve the sacrifice of lives to draw Ahriman out. The Prince refuses to go along with this, and decides to seek out a second opinion. Ormazd recognizes that he can't control the Prince, so instead speaks to Elika. So, while the Prince is working towards his goal, Elika is secretly working for Ormazd.

Someone said the Prince's gauntlet and Ahriman's claws seem to have a similar design. Now that you mention it, they really do. Maybe the Prince didn't ALWAYS rob tombs, and robbed a temple or something which included artifacts of Ahriman. It'd be cool if - followng my 'Dark Seed' upgrade idea - the gauntlet eventually became a Corrupted, clawed hand.