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Pop Sot : The best story
Pop WW : A story a little confusing
Pop TTT : Good story

Thats right! Wink2
 
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am playing sands of time. Have got to a river?? steep bank??risje@telkomsa.net and cannot go further. please help
 
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WW no doubt
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And my vote goes to *drums rolling*.........SOT. The way its narrated was enough to buy me.







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Storywise:

SoT = PoP 1
WW = POP 2: The Shadow and the Flame's
T2T = a mixture of PoP 2: The Shadow and the Flame's Ending with the original series PoP 1 Classic

Anyway story wise:

Sands of Time > T2T > WW (rehash of PoP 2: Shadow and the Flame's story(literally)

All PoP game wise:

PoP 2 Shadow and the Flame > PoP 1 = SoT > 3D > T2T > WW
 
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I am surprised that even you rate WW as the weakest Zap 8(




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tristan,i am surprised that he put T2T before WW ... Angry Blue Guy


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Technically (SOT Trilogy is a prequel to Classic PoP Trilogy) there are story elements in T2T that connect with the original series that deal with the Vizier ie. how he got his force. That's why its slightly higher. Other than that, there isn't much to say.

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In order to conquer Babylon, the vizier needed to take control of the Indian Empire. But the Maharaja's soldiers would not give in to bribery or threats. Thus, the vizier sought aid from beyond his borders. He found willing alliies in the Scythians- nomadic people to the north.

For decades the Scythians had looked upon the Indians with envy and anger. The Sythians' hunting grounds were shrinking due to Persian and Indian expansion), and younger tribesmen were fleeing for the more permanent settlements of other empires. This diminished Scythians numbers and caused great division amongst the people. Tribes isolated themselves from one another -forgoing communication, brotherhood, and trade- and these insular populations weren't producing enough offspring. There was barly enough game left to feed current members; having children would invite disaster. If events continued unopposed, their way of life would vanish in a few generations.

In splitting, the Scythians tribes each worked to differeniate themselves, both visually and in their abilities. The tribes refer to themselves as the "followers of different animal 'houses.'" Each fashions weapons and armor that suit the animal which they've pledged allegiance.

House of the Heron: Known for their ability to pick off targets from afar with their bow and arrows. Their helments resemble the skulls of giant birds.

House of the Serpaint: Known for the superiority of their armor. Their weapons and armor covered in symbols of the serpent.

House of the Ram: Known for their brute strength and the ability to knock down opponents. They wear helments adorned with ram horns.

House of the Hedghog: Known for adorning the armor with sharp spikes to assist in defense. Their armor is covered in small sharp spikes, just like their namesake.

House of the Hyena: Members of this house once belonged to the House of the Ram and possess similar skills. However, members of this house have engaged in intense stamina training making them harder to take down than their Ram brethren.

House of the Cat: Graceful and acrobatic, this house is home to disproportionate number of women. They sometimes use dance to distract an enemy before suddenly launching into an attack that utilizes a set of duel blades.

House of the Chameleon: Lacking the strength possessed by other tribes, these Scythians focused on the art of deception. They have learned to make themselves invisible to enemy eyes.

House of the Scarab: One of the few houses to have forged an alliance with the Spider House, Scarabs are known for employing heavy armor and large weapons. They stun or distract enemies, allowing a partner to take advantage of their prey's disorientation.

House of the Spider: Members of this house often work in tandem with the Scarabs. Once a target is sufficiently distracted, the Spider rushes in and attacks.

The Scythians were fearsome hunters-feared and respected for their riding and combat abilities. Watching a phalanx of them sweep across the plains in pursuit of the hunt was both awesome and fear-inspiring. But their skills were no match for the numbers and technology of the Indians. So while they dreamed of teaching a lesson to their southern neighbors, it wasn't a viable option, especially with the tribes split the way they were.

Then the vizier came along...and everything changed. He, too, appreciated the skill and courage of the Scythians. He, too, saw the weakness created by the splintered tribes. And he, too, hated the Indians, for the Maharaja had denied him the opportunity to conquer Babylon and, thus, the opportunity to live forever.

The vizier's plan was simple and devastatingly effective: unite the Scythians beneath a single banner. Fractured, they stood no chance against the Indians. United, however, and driven by hatred and jealousy, they came an unstoppable force.

India fell within a week.

Those who did not perish beneath the Scythians' blades were forced to swear allegiance to the vizier and join his dark army. Rumors began circulate of trouble in India, of the empire's collapse, and of a cloud of savage soldiers who had taken control. Little information came out of the empire, and few were foolish enough to venture beyond the Persian borders. Since it had been cut off from rest of the world, this new empire became known as "The Dark."

The Persians watched and waited, wondering what would come next. Their question was answered a few weeks later in the form of a tremendous attack- the largest empire had ever faced. A flood of choas and violence emerged from what was once India, and it covered all the land...

After ten-day siege, Babylon's walls were breached, and the end of a second empire began.


The speed kills did lighten did make the game faster.

But WW is a completely rips offs the main "story elements" of Prince of Persia 2: The Shadow and the Flame.

Let's compare PoP 2: The Shadow and the Flame with PoP: Warrior Within:

Both games are
1) darker/mature, harder, more deadly traps/etc
2) Take place in a temple (in the exact same 3D form of the SotF one)
3) get washed up on an Island that have ruins
4) Learn about your past or why the sands of time were created
5) Avoid death by using your Sand wraith mask just like how you use your shadow to get the flame in the old game.
6) Storyline was predictable as anything. Tell me you did not see it coming with Kaileena. I played WW on hardest difficulty the first time through I saw everything coming a mile a way by the end of the game.

I'll have to say the atmosphere was good for a video game, but it did not feel like a PoP game. Regardless of that issue the gameplay was great with the traps and the combat. Story wise it was fairly weak and predicatable compared to the other PoP games. Also there was not many narrations of the prince like in SOT and T2T...
 
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But WW is a completely rips offs the main "story elements" of Prince of Persia 2: The Shadow and the Flame.




You rate WW so bad because it's a SotF-rip off?
Have you never thought of that the developers took alot of inspiration in Mechners works?

Anyway, T2T is weaker because it's a friggin SoT-rip off. The story was unoriginal and exceptive, the T2T-prince should've been better worken out, and the graphics and environment were nothing like I expected. The game promised to be much more:
darker,brighter,scarier, more epic and more psychological in the Zoroastrian way.Are you telling me that would've make the game ''Less Persian''?

Meh, those discussions make me less confortable around here. I should rather finish my chap now.




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But WW is a completely rips offs the main "story elements" of Prince of Persia 2: The Shadow and the Flame.


You rate WW so bad because it's a SotF-rip off?
Have you never thought of that the developers took alot of inspiration in Mechners works?

Anyway, T2T is weaker because it's a friggin SoT-rip off. The story was unoriginal and exceptive, the T2T-prince should've been better worken out, and the graphics and environment were nothing like I expected. The game promised to be much more:
darker,brighter,scarier, more epic and more psychological in the Zoroastrian way.Are you telling me that would've make the game ''Less Persian''?

Meh, those discussions make me less confortable around here. I should rather finish my chap now.


Honestly speaking, I found T2T to be mixture of WW and SoT. It was not a perfect blend, but it was blend of those two elements. It had humor mixed with action. You had choice of Free-form fighting system (although) it is was a bit restrained on the part of the European release from what I heard. I mean many fans here think T2T sucks because it wasn't "Kindred Blades", but the thing is "Kindred Blades" and T2T were the same product in the end. Also many fans outside of this forums on other forums enjoyed T2T a lot more because it was mix of SOT and WW. Lastly the closure to the whole series SoT series was fairly well orchestrated by the team on how it was connected to the SoT like circle of life type of thing.

As for the Mechner comparison, although SotF was a dark game it did not forget its roots ie Persian architecture and the ambiance of each distinct area. All this was forged for darker areas and architecture although good but it did not feel sadly like a PoP game.

In terms of platforming and combat, yes WW beats SoT. But everything else that makes a PoP game is sadly thrown out the window.

There wasn't much Zoroastrianism in WW from what I remember, aside from Dahaka... It was just like general angst ridden video game, which is what's wrong with the modern Video game industry. In contrast to new PoP game, which is just based upon the Zoroastrian stories.

Here's a good article about SoT vs WW in terms of story and everything: http://www.edge-online.com/mag...ia-the-sands-of-time
 
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Zapages ... un least, for Kaileena´s fans ... Kindred blades killed her in a much better way than T2t ... in KB she was more herself ... Frown

you dont understand me!! Crying Crying Crying


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Zapages ... un least, for Kaileena´s fans ... Kindred blades killed her in a much better way than T2t ... in KB she was more herself ... Frown

you dont understand me!! Crying Crying Crying


How so? That's my question.

In the first script of the game"Kindred Blades", Kaileena was going to kill herself to save the prince. What was shown was all CGI graphics in the trailer.

In the second script"T2T", Kalienna was killed by the Vizier. In the CGI of the game, Kailenna appeared as if she was like the same one from WW aside from the cloth change.

T2T Prince looked his WW counterpart in the early trailers because it was "work in progress".

What was shown not in CGI, I can't comment on because we can all agree on the in-game graphics of T2T were one of its shortcomings for sure.

All I am saying is "Kindred Blades" or T2T would still have been the same game that was released back in 2005 regardless of the "name change", what was first shown in E3 2005 and the miss information released by IGN concerning the game (Day and night thing for example)

Anyway, I enjoy all PoP Games. They are all great unique games on their own while I might enjoy one more over the other. It does not mean I completely loathe the game listed at the bottom.
 
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For me it's :

SoT then TT.

WW wouldn't even make it because I really disliked almost everything about it (the improved combat was nice though).

For me Sands of Time created a beautiful world/story that I really loved being involved in. It was magical and amazing experience. The only time I felt bad was when it ended.

In my opinion, WW undid just about everything that made SoT great. The world and story they created was one I just couldn't wait to get out of - kind of like a bad dream.

Also, I agree with almost everything in the edge article that Zapages posted.
 
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Sot is definitely the best. Just as it should be. Loved how original it was nd at the same time how familiar is felt. just like "Arabian Nights". Pretty, unreal and yet somehow believable.

WW was really really good but a bit too original. It takes 2nd place for me.

TTT was the worst - some momnets felt like they tried way too hard to fill in some plot holes, which resulted in not making things so believable. It was a bad attempt to copy SOT's glory


 
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Sot is definitely the best. Just as it should be. Loved how original it was nd at the same time how familiar is felt. just like "Arabian Nights". Pretty, unreal and yet somehow believable.

WW was really really good but a bit too original. It takes 2nd place for me.

TTT was the worst - some momnets felt like they tried way too hard to fill in some plot holes, which resulted in not making things so believable. It was a bad attempt to copy SOT's glory


Amen...

-SoT was my fav because of the Charm the game offered itself aside and within the storyline, it was just very pleasant in every way Big Grin, I absolutely loved it, all of it.
-WW was the unexpected, and also unnecesary, sequel which kicked *** and brought PoP back in the map after Ubi's screw up *yes, they did that with SoTShady* and for that, I gave it my vote... besides, the storyline was really cool and very well written, and the gameplay duration was longer.
-TT was a kinda a cool game, but one which was in an evident decay... its ambition to try to do better than SoT or WW maybe was the reason of his fails and cheesyness...



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What'S with all thos 08ers and bashing WW?

Probably cause they never were in 04 :P

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Absolutely Warrior Within!!
it has the greatest story. The prince was going to change his fate by preventing the sands of time ever to be created, but when he killed the empress, he realized that he didn't stop the process instead, he was the one who created the sands of time because he killed the empress in the hourglass chamber so the sands from the empress still flows.

to reverse that, he seeks the mask of the wraith to give him a second chance and he return to the time where the empress was not dead yet. Do you remember when the first time you saw an ugly looking creature starring at you when you were about to fight shahdee the second time? that was YOU in the future becoming the sandwraith. after the prince manage to lure the empress to the future he killed the empress outside the hourglass chamber and outside her 'time'. So then dahaka could take the empress and vanish forever because the sands was never created.

that was one heck of a story, but it rocks and it is so emosional
 
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It's hard to decide because of the fact that SoT trilogy is the best trilogy in the history of gaming....
 
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SoT for me, of course. I was truly invested in the characters, both as people and to see what happened in their journey.

WW I was not invested at all. I found the Prince unlikeable and couldn't care less if he failed or succeeded, plus I despised all the time travel ridiculousness that backed the story into a corner.

T2T I felt did the best it could with the hole WW had dug for it, but it still didn't fully recapture the magic and earnestness I'd experienced in the original.

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What'S with all thos 08ers and bashing WW?

Probably cause they never were in 04 :P

What does that even mean? "Never were in 04"? And how can you say "T2T is bad because it's a SoT ripoff" while "WW is good because it's a SatF rip-off"? Double standard much?


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Yup double standard.

Also, 04er means people registered at 2004. People at 2008 are called 08er.

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