Back in November '08, 1UP made an interview with our dearest PoP producer, Ben Mattes, and level designer, Michael McIntyre.

In that interview, when asked if the game will have a piece of trivia, Ben said:

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I think one of the things we really want people to take away from this game is that there's more to it than meets the eye. There's a surface layer, which is: fight the bad guys, heal the world, collect the Light Seeds, kill Ahriman, you win. But there's a lot of imbued meaning in all of that that we went spent weeks and months discussing. What does the Corruption represent to us? And what does healing the world represent to us? And what does Elika represent in terms of the guardian of light? And who is the Prince in terms of this noble savage who wanders in and helps her out? And what does it mean that he eventually helps her? There were a lot of discussions we had about the meaning we saw behind all those core game actions.

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one of the first things we did on this game was write a one-sentence meaning, and then a one-paragraph experience that we have had to hold up as our guiding light every time we sort of felt we were losing the way.

I just can't get it off my head trying to figure out what he meant by all that! So, I thought I ask you guys, what do think was the trivia out of this game? And what was their sentence?

Was there any in the first place?

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ade an interview with our dearest PoP producer, Ben Mattes, and level designer, Michael McIntyre.

In that interview, when asked if the game will have a piece of trivi

I doubt he even knows what he is talking about.
I know those kind of people...

I dont know DiDo my friend, all of that looks like a typical bluff to me, just trying to get attention and trying to make look something lame into something interesting [like all those noobs who post on their social profiles:
"Book youre reading: Im reading too many to mention..." ]
Pure bluffing; [idiots ] the game content is pure rippofs and filling the characters personalities with typical stereotypes and more than common clichés... You could maybe do some analogies with the game content with some popular culture characters, but I dont think you can do more with that, its way too plain and dumb... thats what this game is for me, PoP dumbed down in all ways.

Perhaps a simple question: would you destroy everything you worked for in order to save the one you love?

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Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Perhaps a simple question: would you destroy everything you worked for in order to save the one you love?

*Thinks for a second* Yeah... but what does that has to do with the Hidden Message? or the game so called "complexity" I kinda dont get it

Aside of that, the game doesnt offers much... But hell, I would really like to be prooved wrong, not by another guy who have played the game, because what they say is just their opinions and their own perceptions of the game(just like me)... Maybe if somebody from the dev team relevant enought could come in here and explain us that "hidden complex message", maybe that could change things a bit but... That just doesnt happens for all I know

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Originally posted by stealthero:
I kinda dont get it

Which is exactly what they wanted.

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Originally posted by stealthero:
the game content is pure rippofs and filling the characters personalities with typical stereotypes and more than common clichés... You could maybe do some analogies with the game content with some popular culture characters, but I dont think you can do more with that, its way too plain and dumb... thats what this game is for me, PoP dumbed down in all ways.

Just because you don't get it doesn't mean the game instantly sucks. There are plenty of people here that loved the game which proofs that the game was not a rip-off and was worth it. You seem to be hung up on the last trilogy and want more of the same.

I think the question here is what exactly are you going to do?

Do you continue your search and forget what happened or do you save Elika at the cost of maybe destroying the world.

The ending was explained in a article somewhere. I forgot. Also we had a huge topic on the ending and why it worked.

@Lester:Again with the ripoffs?

OK if the game is a ripoff then why is no one suing Ubisoft for violating copy rights and intelectual property and plagiarism(if that is what you believe in)?

From what I know this game has completely implemented the hard core spirit of the 2d games(dinamic fluidity,arcade collection system etc) so the only one who can sue them is the one who created the first 2d platformer game(cause naturally he owns the copy rights of the 2d gaming system and performance).But in that case other games should be sued as well such as Super Mario,the first POP,Donkey Kong etc(yup there are plenty ripoffs out there )

Speaking of ripoffs what can I say about Mass effect(great game but a Star trek wanna be with a Lovecraftian enemy) or Gears of war(great game too but it heavilly borrows from Duke Nukem)?

I guess this brings some heavy stuff the Producers wanted for us to understand while playing the game. Since everyone only get the basics... ANd those basics were explained in a few articles but I don't think this is what Dido's talking about. I bet there's something more deep into this.

But since nobody discovered it then the game clearly sucked in many ways.

Now about those rip-offs... Lester doesn't mean the game was a complete (100%) Ripoff of other medias, his point is pretty simple actually. Prince of Persia: NG is a game filled with clichéd experimentations, there's nothing new and thrilling in this game... Pratically everything the Devs used on this game was already seen and played in other games (I wont name them since the answer is pretty obvious).

And please... Mboltevski, don't insult us with your lack of originality and sense... Serious Sam is a Duke Nukem "ripoff", Gears of War isn't... The same goes for Mass Effect (and I wont even add nothing more, your comment was priceless...)

@KZarr: No mate, I dont get what does his question [UbiRazz]has to do, or where is the so called complexity of the game in there.
Another thing, SoT trilogy is way dead for me, I dont want something like that anymore,[I would not tolerate to play some "remakes" but with different titles ] but I wasnt expecting a simple/quick/repetitive game to be the awaited continuation for the franchise.
About the rest of your post, I'm well aware of it, and I remember reading the "explanation" but it wasnt something I havent seen before
@mboltevski: But of course nobody had sued them because they're not actual rippofs, they are called "inspirations", but even you gotta admit all of them are extremely close of the original source and that sucks (maybe a couple of inspirations very alike its ok, but not all of them! , thats why I called them vile rippofs)... Now about ME or Gears, both of them are shining examples of what a game should be, innovation, replay value, quality, unique features, real COMPLEXITY, and they do not abuse of inspirations (just to mention a bit of their stuff); so I guess your comment about them is not that accurate...

@ Dido
I think the game was meant to be one big metaphor
I'm not sure if the metaphor applies to us as individuals, or to the whole world, I'm still trying to figure it out myself, I'll post my thoughts when they'll clear up in my head

I agree with Kzarr just because you don't get something doesn't mean the game sucked. I don't think POP is filled with ripoffs more like inspirations to me. Maybe those inspirations are ripoffs to people who hate POP? I don't know I'm not going to jump to conclusions. I also don't think ME is ripoff of star trek either mainly because I'm big ST fan and I hate ME.

The hidden meaning could be in the ending perhaps ubi was also trying to say that the prince became the POP because of what he did? I never really thought about it that hard before so I have think about a little bit.

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Originally posted by darkfarah:
I agree with Kzarr just because you don't get something doesn't mean the game sucked.

@Farah: Yeah I know KZarr is right, but you guys seems to have forgotten something: What Ive stated so far its only my opinion; I've said that many times before, all Ive said on this forum so far is only my opinion, just like yours; Ive never said what I speak is some kind of fact, or that Im trying to change your minds about this.
For me, and me only, this game its pretty simple and common... You know, what I think it lacked the most in this game is ambition, it feels to me they just needed to get the game done, but they didnt really wanted to achieve something with it, thats what I feel about it.

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Originally posted by stealthero:

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Originally posted by darkfarah:
I agree with Kzarr just because you don't get something doesn't mean the game sucked.

@Farah: Yeah I know KZarr is right, but you guys seems to have forgotten something: What Ive stated so far its only my opinion; I've said that many times before, all Ive said on this forum so far is only my opinion, just like yours; Ive never said what I speak is some kind of fact, or that Im trying to change your minds about this.
For me, and me only, this game its pretty simple and common... You know, what I think it lacked the most in this game is ambition, it feels to me they just needed to get the game done, but they didnt really wanted to achieve something with it, thats what I feel about it.

Oh I know Les it's just your opinion I haven't forgotten that. That's all were doing is voicing our opinions. Hopefully ubi is listening to some of our opinions for the new POP game. Even though these our just our opinions they still do hold truth to them. I know ubi was trying to make new fans with this new POP but they kinda seemed to forgotten us old fans in away as well. So I agree the game does feel sorta incomplete ubi probably thought it was going to be a big success like AC, so they probably did it for money maybe. Well the epilogue was decent so maybe that's sign that POP might be better next time. If not let's just hope POP get's picked up by a better company. I do wish that the people who work on God of War though could take POP or at least help.

there little secret message thing could have been this

"this isnt the SOT trilogy"
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"lets not have ben **** this up"

or

" duuuuuuh we are stupidsoft and we have crappy producers so we have to do all the hard work and have ben not be an idiot who has no idea what hes talking about and just needs to quit making games." lol

There's no secret message. That's simply a thematic outline; basically the spine of the game. In other words, it's not on the surface, but it's not a secret, but it's what holds the game together.

Although I think the message itself is stupid: "Destroying everything you've worked for to save the one you love" goes by the assumption that you love the one you're supposed to save. Love is a particularly difficult reaction to illicit in a video game...or at all, for that matter.

There is more to the game than meets the eye, so i believe. Ubisoft must have an explaination of everything. We just saw few pieces in jigsaw puzzle. We don't even know how will they fit, how'z the complete puzzle like.
So I'll have to wait for the next games {{{[ON PC[}}} (suck DLC :@ ) to find out the truth of all the confusion.

yeah me too, I think that once the trilogy is complete we'll see the big picture

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Originally posted by prince_pk:
There is more to the game than meets the eye, so i believe. Ubisoft must have an explaination of everything. We just saw few pieces in jigsaw puzzle. We don't even know how will they fit, how'z the complete puzzle like.
So I'll have to wait for the next games {{{[ON PC[}}} (suck DLC :@ ) to find out the truth of all the confusion.

Uh,hello?
So you see that Two Thrones has a ''message'' ?
PoP just simply became a game. Or it became just a mindless game-saga after WW. When a company decides the course of a game and deracinate the former staff except the artistic people from SoT/WW, then yeah, the game doesn't have any message.

what's that got to do with the new PoP ? (and T2T was definitely not a mindless game-saga)

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Originally posted by Grafferu:
what's that got to do with the new PoP ? (and T2T was definitely not a mindless game-saga)

Sorry, but I insist to say PoP became nothing more than a mainstream saga like those Nintendo or current capcom games. T2T was just a proof of how low the saga can dive, but the new one lacks of any originality or good execution.Just repepition of the older games, like Zelda, like Mario, like any other mainstream game.
The only thing worth were the graphics, though I hate cell shated games.