Hey all, Foe's parents have come back from a visit to Ukraine just now.

Brought him two music CD's. One of Deutsch Navy marches, second with marches of the army of Kolchak (Russian guy, in the Tsar's army)

The German songs are recorded directly from a vinyl disc, with all the crackling and all. Listening to them as we speak

They also saw them selling real German infantrymen's gramophones, the trophies from WW2, along with real vinyls. Too bad they couldnt bring one over Would have been so awesome.

Anyway, the songs are:

Wir fahren gegen Engelland
Heut' stechen wir ins blaue Meer
Windstaerke 12
Flieg, deutche Fahne, flieg
Olympia Fanfare
Unsere Marine
Flotten-Marsch
Panzerschiff "Deutschland"
Ein Matrose kam nach Singapur
Seemanns Los
Altniederlandisches Dankgebet
Wo Matrosen Sind
Mit vollem Segeln
Willst du Deutscher sein

I'm sure Celeon knows all of these. A few seem to be in the WAC 3.0 mod Foe is using



[ / brag ]

Nope, not all of them.


I definitely know "Wir fahren gegen Engeland"

This is a play of words by the way.

Its of course England not Engeland , but in the song the word England is just too short to fit phonetically into the chorus of the song.

Thats why a third syllable, the e was put into England (Thats why they sing it like Eng-e-land)

This way , although sounding a bit strange, one can still clearly understand that is about England (Which we germans say when we actually mean the whole UK), it fits better to the tact of the music and at the same time a little play of words is done.

Eng-e-land sounds a bit like Engel-land which means Angel-land. You know, like singing about those cute little and completely peaceloving and innocent britons which never did anything to anyone

Historically, Germany had its beef solely with England not directly with Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

Strangely , considering that parts of Germany were allied with Great Britain during the Seven Years' war just as with England alone during the Thirty Years' war. Are 37 years worth nothing today ?

I guess its like with a divorced couple, nobody hates each other more passionately than former allies.

Thats why the term England and Engländer as surrogate for Großbritannien or Briten was and is very commonplace.

Both names are in widespread use.

Of course we know that its technically wrong to just say England when we actually mean the entire United Kingdom but i dont think you can get that ever out again of the colloquially language.


You will notice that in this song here, they sing it correctly again.

England instead of Engeland and they also say Britannien at one point. Without that "Groß" part of course, but with Großdeutschland in another strophe ......of course

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Strangely , considering that parts of Germany were allied with Great Britain during the Seven Years' war

The Kaleun has just finished reading a lengthy, scholarly but vastly informative book about the Seven Years' War and has learned much. Rather than cover the whole scope of the war, it deals mainly with the North American aspects, with accounts, however, as they are indispensible, to events in Parliament and the Continent. The book to which I refer is "Crucible of War: The Seven Years' War and the Fate of Empire in British North America, 1754-1766" by Fred Anderson.

Today I also finally got round to viewing a show I had recorded earlier, "Battlefield Quebec" about the decisive battle between the British and French, which resulted in Canada becoming an English country under British rule, with concessions to French society. This battle occurred during the above named war. The Seven Years' War is seen by some, or perhaps many? historians as the real First World War, as the scope of conflict spread from Europe to Africa, India, North America, the Caribbean and the oceans and seas connecting them all. As with the two famous wars of the 20th century, it featured aspects of battle which would become bleedingly obvious to modern strategists but were only then just being discovered or pioneered: command of sea lanes, guerilla and irregular warfare, scorched earth policy, issues of finance to fund war, etc. Yes, some may argue that some or all of these may have been employed previously, but not to the same level and distribution as during the Seven Years' War.

Anyhow, nice to see that Foe has some new music to play. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I had to comment. Of late, I have taken to devouring books about European and North American history predating the founding of the modern nations of the same. There is so much to read that one could make a career of it.

Just one more thing; I don't know how many outside the UK are aware that the Royal Family of Windsor were actually named "Hanover" before changing the name to Windsor? "Crucible of War" details the sentimental attachment of the British kings to that German state, even in the face of military logic. Wow, was Frederick ever a busy boy in that war?!?! "Crucible of War" demonstrates how that attachment affected the waging of the continental part of the war and how the British finally decided that the best way to defeat France was to eat away at the periphery of France's holdings while financing Frederick so he could keep rebuilding his army after many costly battles. Achieving dominance of the sea was the key to victory, as it has proven time and again to be. Britain won in North America by cutting off the French in North America from supplies and reinforcements from France. Sea battles off the coast of France had decisive effect thousands of miles away.

Actually it is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha


And the average unsuspecting briton thinks the saxons do not rule Britannia anymore

They just use the cover of britishness now !


The Windsors still have relatives here in Germany.

No we dont want to have Charles. You can keep him. We have enough of a burden with all the strange acting people of nobility here

Like Prince Ernst August of Hannover who is renowned for beating up journalists and being a disgusting jackass.



He is the great-grandson of Kaiser Wilhelm II. and the oldest still living descendant of King George III. of Great Britain and Ireland.

You brits can have him if you want Knowing how the british press loves royal scandals , HE is a scandal machine with embarrasment guarantee !


Here is a cartoon by british satire magazine Punch (Vol. 152 of 27 June 1917) showing the King cleaning his family's house of all german nobility titles.

Danke, Celeon, for the correction.

Wohoo!

Just as one is talking about nobility, it jumps right at you.

Seems that we will get a new defence minister who is, by chance, ... a Baron


Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg

Also by chance, his wife is the Countess of Bismarck-Schönhausen.

She is , of course just by chance, the great-great-granddaughter of the German Empire's founder, Otto von Bismarck

Celeon smells a sneaky return of the monarchy

The uncle of his grandfather (is there actually a name for that ?) was member of the Abwehr under Canaris and among the group that tried to assassinate Hitler. He was executed on 23. April 1945.

His grandfather was an officer in the Wehrmacht and also to some level involved into the whole July plot. He got into british captivity before the Gestapo could get their hands on him. Thats what i call luck !