But over the weekend I talked my girlfriend into buying a Gamecube so she could get some games she would really like to play, its hard for her to find stuff on xbox, but she freaking loves the mario genre, plus everything else nintendo. Knowing we'd be buying a Wii in November, we didn't want ot get a new one, so we bought a used one for 55 bucks at Gamestop, but luckily it hasn't got a scratch on it and runs great.

Anyway, all week I have been playing catch-up on the system, I myself bought Metriod Prime 2, which is a pretty great game, i grew up on the original, but its a whole new world now for that cute blonde. But, whats REALLY had my attention, a little something called Resident Evil 4. I feel like a fool, why didn't I buy this when it came out, instead of just shrugging my shoulders to the tune of "eh, oh well, they don't make it for my system."

Who's played it here? I havent gotten too far yet, but i am loving every second of it more than any other SP game i have played in the last year or so.

To ANYONE who has not touched this game yet, go pick up a used cube and a used copy of RE4, all for less than 100 bucks, and prepare for one helluva ride! Especially the first time this happens to ya...

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Popped that pimple for ya!

Argh I HATE RE4. So boring to me... Really is.

Now here's a real action game...

I hear lots of raves about RE4, but I will never lay down any amount of cash if I'm stuck with low res and those clumsy controller pads. Now one exception might be the Revolution ("Wii", God I hate that new name) controller and an HDTV (which I have), if it will play at 1280x720 like the 360 can.

I had to laugh when I read some heated chat the other day about how someone affiliated with one of the console systems (360 maybe?) had written an article claiming in recent tests, some players using console controllers (pad type) had beaten those using keyboard and mouse. I was about to jump in and explain why that is and why it's a faulty claim but someone else beat me to it.

Basically it boils down to the controllers having built in aimbot assistence due to their clumsy inefficient design, which of course was in use during the "test", if you can call it that. That you can play a lot of PC games with control pads, but not console games with keyboard and mouse is another example of the console industry's fear of what open keyboard/mouse access would do to console gaming.

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Originally posted by WretchedDrake:
Argh I HATE RE4. So boring to me... Really is.

Thats a shame, really.

I just finished it up over the weekend, and had a blast doing it. I unlocked a bunch of minigames and more weapons, so I am def looking forward to going at it again for a second round.

Suvival horror is a great genre, but its hard to come by these days, this is a nice change.


SIXGUN, I understand where your coming from, lets hope this silly-named "Wii" pulls you in to the console market. I bet RE5 is going to blow my mind with that new controller, I guess it'll go one way or another, gonna love it or hate it.

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Originally posted by iCeooo3:
...lets hope this silly-named "Wii" pulls you in to the console market.

Not very likely at this point, from what I'm seeing the console industry in general is selfishly invading on the PC gaming market. More and more PC games are being bought up and ruined by being turned into console titles. Far Cry, Rainbow Six & Ghost Recon to name a few. If you think GR Advanced Warfighter is an exception, try playing the PC demo, it has ridiculous flaws from console porting. Worse yet is that the ones doing this are often primarily PC game publishers.

Add to that the talk of Microsoft's new OS Vista being equiped with emulators to run virtually any console game on your PC (with lousy controllers of course), and you have a recipie for a PC gamer's coup d'etat. Lately it's all about them and not us.

You have to go to warehouse stores like Best Buy and Fry's just to see a halfway decent PC game selection anymore. The stores that specialize in video games (Electronics Boutique, GameStop, etc) have tiny shelf space for PC games now, and many of them are cheap "value" games with horrible AI.

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Well then good thing I have a girlfriend lol. I don't even want to play video games now, unless if my buddies are on Far Cry Evo.

I hate MP PC games because of the competition and how good people are. Plus it's bad for you, I like sitting back on my couch playing on my big screen TV (50 inch)...

LOL... WD, I sense some moderation on the way if I catch you bragging about the "love of your life/girl of your dreams" in one more thread!

Get your PC cranked up, dont worry, FC MP is a big family, not competetive at all... Well mostly not

The scenario that Six Gun descibes is similar in the UK, to get a decent PC game selection you have to go to the likes of PC World (similar to COMPUSA, including similar pricing strategy) where if you want console games they are wall to wall in GAME (EBoutique subsidiary)

But when you consider that UBI for example, gets approx 90% of its revenue from consoles, it isnt surprising.
For me console gaming = affordable entry point, PC gaming = Expensive luxury for top end performance. I always prefered PCs as the games had more depth than run point and shoot...
Now look at me... Addicted to an FPS

Things are just very different now altogether in the gaming world. I am really not sure what lies ahead either way, but i feel for ya on the PC world if its going downhill, but i cannot imagine it going anywhere but up in the future.

I think one of the biggest problems, of course "IMO", but it seems alot fo stuff is just getting pushed on us for a profit, I don't get the sdame feeling from gaming that i used to, which also comes with age I know, but it also has to do with what looks like to me, a lazy game production industry.

Time will tell, and even still SixGun, your getting crysis on PC-only aren't ya? From the console side, I am always looking out the window at all the cool games on the PC world just wishing I could join in.


Oh look and Wretched is talking about the love of his life over here too, I'm gonna smack the boy.

LoL

The only computer games I like are America's Army and Guild Wars. I never enjoyed Far Cry on PC when it came to gameplay.

And MMORPG's I enjoy mildly since it gives you something to do for a while...

To me console gaming is a love/hate affair. On the one hand there are lots of titles and you can get them used cheap many places, on the other hand it's the same old funky controllers, mini maps, R&G nature, and very limited res and settings.

One of my foreign chat friends the other day said he only buys about two PC titles a year. He is primarily a PC player, and at first I thought he has an awfully nice rig to be buying such few games.

Then I realized that scenario is not far from the truth for many once you factor in the niche of games you prefer, that some highly anticipated titles are ruined by console porting, and the dwindling PC selection in general.

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You'll always have a better time playing the PC when you're PC meet standard requirements. I love playing Far Cry on the PC back in the day because you feel you're into it more than the Xbox one... That one whether I laydown looking at the TV upside down playing at 2 in the morning or 5 pm sitting right in front of it straight up I still play the same... But with the PC you're closer to the screen, you're mouse movement is more realistic to the 1st person perspective...

Nothing beats the PC version, on a huge tropical map alot like the single player level cliffs in Instincts, EXACTLY like that one, with a sniper rifle proned on the ground and searching... searching... Boom Headshot!

Even if I die PC one looks better, feels better, and the map editor is actually good and requires skill and time to make maps, unlike the Xbox version where you can make a dumb rambo map that takes no skill in less than 10 minutes.

I'm sure you'd feel the same way after a while. I think consoles were meant for multiplayer living room style with friends and PC unified multiplayer using the internet.

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...consoles were meant for multiplayer living room style with friends and PC unified multiplayer using the internet.

Apparently they're still meant for kids with small hands nervously clutching a small object like a squirrel nibbling at it's lunch too because the manufacturers still won't get up off their "consoles must be used with controller pads" attitude.

PS3 = Keyboard and mouse, most likely bluetooth connections.

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Originally posted by iCeooo3:
PS3 = Keyboard and mouse, most likely bluetooth connections.

Yeah, I've heard that, but how well it will be executed remains to be seen. So far I've read/heard nothing about whether wisdescreen will be supported or what resolution PS3 games will be capable of. As far as KB/M goes, the SmartJoy FRAG, being the best KB/M adapter for the original Xbox and PS2, doesn't work too well on most games. It has to do with the games primarily being written to be played using the tiny analog joysticks on gamepads, rather than a mouse.

The SJ FRAG has the capability of being programmed to a degree to account for the deadzone built in to the games that run on these mini toggles, but for the most part you still have to brush the mouse quite a bit to turn around, and the aim is far from being as intuitive as with a PC game too.

If you go to Lik-Sang's (maker of the SJ FRAG) website, you will see some demonstration videos of the SJ FRAG in action, but for the most part they're all of Halo. This is because most games don't benefit much from the device.

Have you ever noticed, for instance, how much worse a PC game that has been ported from console format plays as far as character movement and mouse look goes? This is due to the fact that it's simpler to tune the architecture of the game towards the type of control device it's originally intended to be played with. It's really hard to make a game play well on both formats.

Even some of the modern high tech games like GRAW have terrible character movement and mouse look from having been ported from console. You literally have to brush the mouse across the pad at least twice just to turn around even when the mouse sensitivity is at max.

If I were to guess whom has the ability to best accomodate the use of both KB/M and controller pads, it would be MS, as Halo is the game that does it best, and we all know MS makes the 360, not the PS3. The problem is, MS has put themselves in a precarious predicament having stated to their console customers that the 360 would remain controller pad only. It will be interesting to see if they ever change their mind on that.

I wish that MS would support it on the 360, seeing as how the USB ports are there...

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I wish that MS would support it on the 360, seeing as how the USB ports are there...

What I'm hoping is that MS will at least OK KB/M use for sp gaming, and have some sort of detection on the online servers for the 360 mp gaming as far as what type of device is being used. This would likely mean having to use a KB/M adapter or keyboard and mouse that not only have the required chip MS has been demanding be put in any 360 compatible peripherals, but something that IDs it as an sp only device as well. It would also mean some would try to exploit it just as Punkbuster is on PC, but it would likely catch most of those trying to abuse it. Very hard to make everyone happy with a situation like this. I just wish the console/controller addicts would admit the reason most of them don't want to see people using KB/M in 360 mp is because it's a superior method and would threaten their stats.

Well, in all honesty, I am a born and bred console gamer, I do not own a PC but i do own a very nice Power MAc G5, and it has loaded into it Battlefield 1942, but dang if I can get used to the controls, I very much dislike the layout of the enourmous keyboard and an F key for every function. I grew up on the Atari 2600, right into the full NES system, then to Sega Genesis, 32X and Sega CD, etc etc, and now awaiting the PS3 and Wii. I don't think I will ever enjoy the KB/mouse setup because for me the controllers just make more sense. I do understand the fact that they are alot less sensitive, but for me its null beacuse i have always had a pad in my hand, and for me it gets more sensitive with each console.

I think if your only used to one way of gaming, then that way will always feel like home to you.
The only PC game that felt right to me with the KB/M setup was Unreal Tournament and Quake, and I think that lends itself to KB/M because its so freakign fast paced, way faster than i feel comfy with playing FPS's.

Of course its only a matter of time before the two kinds of gaming (console and PC) blend together into a single platform.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by iCeooo3:
More and more PC games are being bought up and ruined by being turned into console titles. Far Cry, Rainbow Six & Ghost Recon to name a few. If you think GR Advanced Warfighter is an exception, try playing the PC demo, it has ridiculous flaws from console porting.

The PC version of GRAW was made by a completely separate developer, GRIN. The 360 version of GRAW was created by Red Storm (multiplayer) and Tiwak (singleplayer)