wow =)

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except that doesn't make sense grammatically :\

excuse me?
it makes perfect sense.

Thats pretty illegal

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Originally posted by neildittmar:

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Because UBI will be doing the same here very shortly--mark my words.

Based on how quite a few of the people conduct themselves here... one can only hope.

? you dont like the right to free speech eh? Or the fact that you bought the game hence you should OWN IT. your logic is suited for fascism.

How terrible, just think , holding people accountable for their actions...

Its almost like....real life??!?

What the OP said is complete and utter rubbish. EA came out and said that forums and your actual games are two completely separate issues. The statement that fueled what the OP said was just an "over-zealous forum moderator".

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55656

If they will do this it means you must have the game if not having the game you will not be able to have an account??

Sounds like a big joke.

Solution make a new account then not connected to a game.

One problems with that is that people sometimes get banned from game publisher forums simply for saying something about a game that is true but which the publisher doesn't like. I have seen that happening.

It is one thing to lock a forum account, but it is another thing to render games useless a customer has paid for and playing which doesn't affect the game publisher negatively in any way. That would be economically damaging a customer, and all at will and mood of a forum mod or admin.

If that would happen to me I would sue for sure, and the game publisher would lose for sure.

IMPO, actions similar to the afore mentioned via EA Games are quite mild in comparison to what SHOULD be done about online abusive behavior within forums.

Granted, everyone has a right to thier opinion. Especially when we paid for it. State your opinion and be done with it. If the company is constructive with thier community then your opinion was worth while, if not, at least it didn't go unsaid.

The thing some people do not understand is that you/we don't have a right to post excessive, nonconstructive and completely belligerent comments on someone elses website. You/we paid for the game, not the website/s. Granted, the money we paid for the game probably goes into the website/s but that doesn't grant you the right to use the website in violation of the rules.

If a stranger walked into your yard and started ****ing on your doorstep you'd probably wish they hadn't. You may even take action against that persons actions to try and prevent it from either happening again or to satisfy your disapproval of thier actions.

Same thing here...

If more people were more constructive about thier opinions, negative and positive alike, something might actually come of it...

Also, another thing some people seem to be completely unaware of is the fact that services performed by the manufacturer after the release of a game (patches, updates, forum access and expression of opinions) are NOT required by game manufacturers to be supplied to thier consumers. You should feel VERY lucky that you even have the opportunity to express your opinion about the product DIRECTLY to the companies themselves...

Are we really that incompetent that we resort to verbal/text abuse towards a company simply because you're not satisfied with the product?

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Originally posted by ass128:
? you dont like the right to free speech eh? Or the fact that you bought the game hence you should OWN IT. your logic is suited for fascism.

I like the right to free speech just fine. In fact, I'll defend your right to express your opinion, regardless of whether I personally happen to agree with it or not. Free speech is not the issue here. How folks conduct themselves in somebody elses "back yard" is.

To that end, it's important to note that these forums (or any forums for that matter) are not a democracy. They are set up, paid for, ran, and maintained by Ubisoft themselves. Sure, the company makes them available to the public and does not charge a fee to create an account and post. However, this does not equate to people being able to say and do whatever they want without consequence or reprecussion. To bring the point home a bit, America is a "free society", but if you come into my house and don't follow my rules, I have every right to ask you to leave and/or remove you from the premises. There's no preconceived notion that you must be allowed to remain and say/do whatever you want because we live in a free society. It's my house and I make the rules. Think of the UbiSoft forums the same way.

When you, I, or anyone else who posts here first created an account, we acknowledged and agreed to abide by the TOS (or terms of service). A copy of these rules and regulations is linked on nearly every forum page as well. These rules effectively outline what you can do on here and what you can't. If one doesn't like the rules, he/she is not obligated to post on these forums. It really is as simple as that.

Generally speaking, quite a number of people have this mentality that what you do online is one thing and how you conduct yourself in real life is entirely another. The so-called "anonimity of the internet" perpetuates this nonsensical point of view. I applaud these companies for taking a step forward and holding folks accountable for their actions online. If people are using racially charged dialog, spamming, talking about their use of cracks or online cheats, or discussing illegal activity on the forums, those are the last people I want to be playing multiplayer with. Now that a level of accountability is being established, these folks will be less inclined to engage in that activity. For this, I say bravo.

Finally, in regards to owning a game you buy, you may want to have a look at the EULA (End User License Agreement) that you acknowledge before you install/play any game. This document details your rights as a consumer of that product. Upon closer inspection, you'll find that when you "buy a game", you really don't own anything except a license to play the title in question. Much like any other kind of license, the abilities and rights contained therein can be revoked if you break the outlined terms and conditions. Sounds like the forums, doesn't it?

Nice move. Finally there will be some real consequences for the foolish kids who act like they were raised by angry monkeys.

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Yes here here absolutely outrageous ppl having an opinion that isn't yours

See, this is the problem with the net these days, every two bit kid thinks his opinion is as valid as an adult or expert on a subject. It's a tactic admission that they've never been beyond their own bedroom. The real world doesn't work that way... kid.

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Originally posted by neildittmar:

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Because UBI will be doing the same here very shortly--mark my words.

Based on how quite a few of the people conduct themselves here... one can only hope.

? you dont like the right to free speech eh? Or the fact that you bought the game hence you should OWN IT. your logic is suited for fascism.

Jesus. What are you rambling about now? Fascism? So it's "fascist" for privately owned forums to set rules on the use of their online servers?

Guess what "Timmy" which is what I shall refer to you form henceforth, you do OWN the game, but you do NOT own the servers that are provided to play the game online with. Other people do, and they can set what ever rules regarding their use they want to. You kids sicken me, you don't KNOW what real fascism is, brat.

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Because UBI will be doing the same here very shortly--mark my words.



Based on how quite a few of the people conduct themselves here... one can only hope.

The only fascism is in something that HereticYojimbo said.

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you do OWN the game

He's under the impression that PC users own this game. We don't, we just rent it.

Also, there is a lot of people trying to impose their own standards here as though there is a universal way to behave. In some countries it's good manners to fart after a good meal.

But IMO people should be less quick to attack the stlye of a post rather than the content.

On that note, without calling anyone a kiddie or a brat, ill say what I think. If people have broken rules on a forum, ban them on the forum and only forum. Same for the game.
Sweeping bans are too harsh as people may just play in-game and flame on forums, or cheat in-game and just be a nice guy on the forums.

Banning across all forums and games would be absolute madness, its not a proportionate response to any act on a single forum or game.

Its not the developers place to be punishing people,, thats the laws job. They should just take the minimum action to resolve said problem. IMOOFC


EDIT: On the other hand, who'd care if they got banned from FC2 anyway?

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Originally posted by brookeview:
-"Common Sense is Not Common Place" <-- my quote

Been telling my employees that for years<---my quote

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The only fascism is in something that HereticYojimbo said.

You have no idea what fascism is.

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He's under the impression that PC users own this game. We don't, we just rent it.

Welcome to the PC gamers club. We've been here for years. Where have you been?

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Also, there is a lot of people trying to impose their own standards here as though there is a universal way to behave. In some countries it's good manners to fart after a good meal.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. If you don't like my style that's too damn bad frankly. I'm tired of ****y kids acting like they take the moral high ground by just accusing the opposition of being "fascist" and providing nothing to back it up with. Meanwhile, I call him a brat, and I people are annoyed at me? That ladies and gentlemen, is called "style over substance".

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But IMO people should be less quick to attack the stlye of a post rather than the content.

:roll: Ya mean like you're doing?

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On that note, without calling anyone a kiddie or a brat, ill say what I think.

The bane of public forums. "Miss Manners". Everyone must be nice to everyone else no matter how incredibly stupid/selfish they are.

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If people have broken rules on a forum, ban them on the forum and only forum. Same for the game.
Sweeping bans are too harsh as people may just play in-game and flame on forums, or cheat in-game and just be a nice guy on the forums.

Why is "flaming" even considered a problem? I think "saying stupid crap" is the far greater problem on forums. It would help if moderators weren't restricted by the weird double standards of public forums.

We dont operate double standards here.

Flame = suspension

Say something stupid = leave yourself open to ridicule through reasoned debate.

Anyone is free to attack someone arguements, the second they make it personal its game over.

As for the topic under disussion, it would get my vote every time.

The majority of flaming and purile spam on forums is from adolescents and the occasional adult that never reached an appropriate level of maturity.
If, just for once, EA teachs people that their actions have consequences good on them.