I wrote this commentary after spending a month on HuffPo exposed to Neo-Dems and their irrational and hysterical hatred.

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War is brewing. War that pits neighbor against neighbor. A destructive war with nuclear armed-powers, poised to inflict utter destruction and devastation on the enemy.

Think I?m talking about India and Pakistan? Or perhaps North Korea and South Korea? Maybe Iran and Israel?

No. I am referring to the United States of America and a new and frightening civil war between Red and Blue.

The signs are all there. Neither side is willing to back down and give their "enemy" any quarter. No compromise, no peace talks, no compassion exists whatsoever. Partisan bickering and fighting escalates exponentially every day

The danger here is that by so thoroughly demonizing your opponent, you make it IMPOSSIBLE to work with that opponent, even if it's in the best interests of the country. How can you expect the American people to accept one day that ?The GOP is nothing but a group of greedy pedophiles!!? and then the next day hear, ?We will work together with the GOP to help this country??. Once you define your opponent, you are bound by that definition. This is not the fictional world of George Orwell?s 1984 where you can mold the public into believing whatever you want them to believe. However you define your opponent, THAT is the definition you will have to live with.

On Huffington Post, political author Chris Weigant posted a very viable plan for the Democratic Party to regain complete control of Congress.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/toss-republ...n-anvil_b_31488.html

Its main foundation requires that the Democrats put aside their differences with the GOP and work WITH the GOP for the betterment of the country. I was surprised and amazed at the vehemence against such a concept that people displayed in their comments about the plan. It is becoming sadly, very clear that the ?Neo-Dems? are more interested in vengeance and retribution than they are in actually working towards a better country.

This is not only very sad, it is also very dangerous.

We are, in a few weeks, facing our midterm elections. With the partisan finger-pointing and hysterical accusations at an all time high, there are several possible scenarios, but many of them lead to a very sad end.

Scenario #1
The Democrats lose more seats than they gain. Screams of voter fraud are rampant. In Cincinnati, Ohio an unruly crowd made up of NeoDems attack a voting station. Diebold machines are destroyed and many political volunteers are injured. Violence erupts into a full scale riot and Mayor Mallory sends an urgent message to Columbus requesting immediate assistance in the ever-widening emergency. Republican governor Robert Taft mobilizes the National Guard and sends armed troops into Cincinnati.

Democrats around the country view these developments as an attempt by Republicans to steal the elections, and supportive riots spring up all over the country. To deal with the mounting violence, President Bush declares martial law and federalizes the National Guard. Democratic Governors in Kansas, Montana, and Wyoming refuse orders from the White House and declare a state of emergency. Federal military bases in those states are overrun and occupied by the state?s National Guard. Missile Wing Commanders, sympathetic to the Democrats? cause, turn over complete launch authority to their National Guard counterparts.

A new US civil war, complete with nuclear missiles pointed across state lines, is upon us.



Don?t like that scenario? Here?s another.

Scenario #2
Due to Republican missteps in the waning weeks of election 2006, the Democrats make massive inroads and completely dominate both the House and the Senate. The majority is so overwhelming that a successful impeachment of President Bush is all but certain. Democrats simply drop Iraq, stating, ?We have our own problems here at home.? Massive troop movements are made out of the Middle East as the impeachment process goes forward. Hundred of thousands of troops are rotated stateside.

President Bush is successfully impeached and President Cheney takes control of the government. Taking advantage of the confusion of the military and the breakdown of the NCA (National Command Authority), terrorists strike in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Miami and San Diego, using every weapon in their arsenal. Terrorist cells operating within the US detonate biological and irradiated (?dirty?) bombs. The death toll is in the hundreds of thousands and climbs every day, as those who are injured succumb to death.

President Cheney, in an effort to quell the rising attacks, orders martial law and federalizes the National Guard. Democratic governors, while uncomfortable with this, see the necessity due to terrorism and grudgingly go along. So, as not to be distracted by internal strife and the threat of another impeachment trial, President Cheney issues Executive Order #15784 which effectively dissolves the United States Congress. U.S. Military forces are directed by President Cheney to secure the entire Capital Complex and invoke strict Martial Law procedures. The American public is furious at this Republican power grab. Protests erupt that are, for the most part, non-violent.

President Cheney, thinking he has to assert control, responds to the protests with overwhelming and unnecessary violence. Armed riot police square off against unarmed protestors. A suicide bomber in the protest crowd sets off a bomb killing dozens. Protesters see this as an attack by riot police and set upon them. Dozens of police are killed or wounded, and hundreds of protestors lay dead in the streets. Protests in hundred of cities turn violent and for the first time in the War On Terror, U.S. military weapons are turned on fellow Americans. Many commanders balk at this and are jailed by President Cheney. Democratic governors all over the country (who were simply uncomfortable before) rebel and declare their intent to secede from the Union. Sympathetic Military Commanders turn over all bases and weaponry (including nuclear missile fields) to Democratic leaders.

A new US civil war, complete with nuclear missiles pointed across state lines, is upon us.


Don?t like THAT scenario? Feel free to run your own. And no matter WHICH way you go with it, no matter HOW you start it, if you do not have Democrats and Republicans working together, if you don?t have the Democrats getting rid of their virulent hatred of anything Republican (and vice versa), if you don?t have the Republicans get rid of their greed and their lust for power, if you start ANY scenario that doesn?t address these fundamental issues, then ANY scenario will always end the same. With violence, with bloodshed and with this country torn apart.


Now, people will say, "Awww, that can't happen. Democrats and Republicans have been going at it for decades."

And this is true. However, when you examine the groups, a dangerous pattern appears.

The Liberals of the 60s and 70s were pacifists. With the exception of a very few violent radicals, liberals by and large sought peaceful pursuits and protests. However, in the 80s and 90s this began to change. I believe that the liberals of yesteryear looked at the
Radical Right and incorrectly assumed that it was their aggressive and violent tendencies that was the cause of their success. So the Liberals morphed into what can only be described as Neo-Dems. They use the same methods of personal attacks, deviant
undermining and overall nastiness that was until now the exclusive domain of the Radical Right. Gone are the days of the REAL liberals who preached understanding and compassion and open-mindedness and compromise.

Now, the Radical Left bears almost ZERO difference from the Radical Right, as far as methods go. Where there used to be just Neo-Cons, now we also have Neo-Dems.

And therein lies the danger. Basically, we have two sides who are equally nasty, equally aggressive and equally ready to throw away the etiquette book and FIGHT.

It's a powder-keg waiting to explode. All it needs is a trigger.

And I am sorry to say, the trigger which would bring us to the edge of the abyss just may be the upcoming midterm elections.

Sniper im not entirely sure what the aim of the thread and your comments are.
On one hand it reads like fear propaganda with the specific aim to scare those not planning to vote the way you want them to into doing exactly what you want them to with that vote. But then you go on to describe your fear of civil war and even more confusing is this.........

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Don?t like THAT scenario? Feel free to run your own. And no matter WHICH way you go with it, no matter HOW you start it, if you do not have Democrats and Republicans working together, if you don?t have the Democrats getting rid of their virulent hatred of anything Republican (and vice versa), if you don?t have the Republicans get rid of their greed and their lust for power, if you start ANY scenario that doesn?t address these fundamental issues, then ANY scenario will always end the same. With violence, with bloodshed and with this country torn apart.

Maybe im being unfair but from the various on going political discussions on this very forum i have always found you to be someone more than a little firm in your opinion and standings on this and many other issues. Any opinion or suggestion which doesnt move with your thought process is not one you like or agree with and while on the surface you appear to discuss the issues theres no way on earth of persuading you that perhaps there might be another way because when push comes to shove you have your opinion and clearly feel strongly its the right one.

Yet above you appear to be complaining about people who do exactly that....

Perhaps i am misunderstanding this thread, or maybe i have misunderstood the ones which have come before it in which case please enlighten me but i have to say having read the above a couple of times now it comes across very much like 'you had better stick with us or else America as we know it will crash and burn' ...........in fact the more i read the more my imagination is envisaging someone stood on the podium preaching the end if nigh but yee can all be saved if only you vote for the right party lol

you say that if both sides dont work together civil war could/ would result and yet for both sides to work together successfully they would both need to agree they're not entirely right in their ideas......past and present. Considering how strongly the Bush government feel they got it all right as do their followers (just as has been seen in this forum on many occasions) and then how the opposition feel equally strong they too were/are right in their objection to the Bush admin and their methods i dont imagine either side being in a hurry to work with the other as neither appears to want to admit to being wrong.

The idea this could end in civil war suggests the american people dont know any way other than violence to voice their discontent with their government or the way it works.

Let's just say that a month on HuffPo has really opened my eyes...

It has become clear that the Democratic Party has morphed into what only can be described as Neo-Dems. Neo-Dems are basically the other side of the coin as Neo-Cons. They use the same attacks, the same hysterical rhetoric and the same basic regard for common decency.

As things stand now, the ONLY course of action that makes any sense is that BOTH sides of the political spectrum needs to cool the rhetoric..

Here on the GRAW forum, we are kind of sheltered as to political realities. You think things are hot in here!?? In HuffPo there are daily calls to killl the president and murder GOP leaders. Talk of taking violent action against the government is common place.

In short, the discussion in here is a downright LOVE FEST compared to the nasty and underhanded rhetoric going on out in the real world of politics..

This being the case, there is only two courses of action..

One would be to completely and utterly disable and destroy the democratic party. That, to me, is a NON OPTION. Even if the democrats deserve such a fate (which I don't believe they do) I would be hard pressed to go along with such actions against fellow Americans who simply happen to have different political views and a warped sense in how they express them..

So, that leaves option #2...

Find common ground and use that as a foundation to work together for the common good...

In short, and as much as it pains me to say it, my exposure to HuffPo has shown me that, compared to the Neo-Dems at HuffPo, I am as liberal as they come...

Scary, eh??


"The idea this could end in civil war suggests the american people dont know any way other than violence to voice their discontent with their government or the way it works."

THAT is the problem exactly...

Sniper,

1. First of all, Americans are way too apathetic to engage in a civil war. We violent liberals have lived through 6 years of perceptions of voter fraud, arguably illegal actions by the current administration, and discontent with the clueless and thoughtless choices said administration has made.

If we haven?t taken to the street and strung up our leaders after all the ineptitude that we have lived through during the last 6 years, we can certainly keep up the act through another election. You have to remember, the next presidential election is going to be a relief to us, no matter who is elected. We will all just take a deep breath and breathe a collective sigh of relief that Curious George is going back to the ranch for good.

B. Good reply MK. I especially like the part where you say, ?It comes across very much like 'you had better stick with us, or else America as we know it will crash and burn'?. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this apocalyptic tirade.

Sorry Sniper, but I read this thread to be nothing more than an attempt to induce fear in your opposition, and the undecided, and praise from those who share your views. I also sense that you may be anticipating a bit of disappointment in the upcoming elections, and are spewing a bit of sour grapes prematurely.

If we all need to get along, why now, when it looks like the republicans are on their way out, and not as soon as they took office? Where was this litany of forewarning 6 years ago?

Lastly, Sniper, I will give you this. And I mean this sincerely. You bring up a very scary idea, and we should all keep in mind that this possibility could present itself?.

Cheney as President???? <SHIVERRRRRR>

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
Sniper,

1. First of all, Americans are way too apathetic to engage in a civil war. We violent liberals have lived through 6 years of perceptions of voter fraud, arguably illegal actions by the current administration, and discontent with the clueless and thoughtless choices said administration has made.

Yea... And what happens when the Neo-Dems perceive that ANOTHER election has been "stolen" from them??

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
If we haven?t taken to the street and strung up our leaders after all the ineptitude that we have lived through during the last 6 years, we can certainly keep up the act through another election. You have to remember, the next presidential election is going to be a relief to us, no matter who is elected. We will all just take a deep breath and breathe a collective sigh of relief that Curious George is going back to the ranch for good.

And that is where you are wrong.. The hatred, while deep and blinding against Bush is also directed at the GOP in general.

After the Foley issue, there were serious posts from well-known political pundits calling "EVERY REPUBLICAN" a pedophile..

I can assure you, the hatred is directed towards the Right, in general. It may be focused on Bush but that is just because he is the highest profile Republican target around. But make no mistake, it is the entire Right who is hated and despised, not just people who happen to be in charge.

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
B. Good reply MK. I especially like the part where you say, ?It comes across very much like 'you had better stick with us, or else America as we know it will crash and burn'?. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this apocalyptic tirade.

Sorry Sniper, but I read this thread to be nothing more than an attempt to induce fear in your opposition, and the undecided, and praise from those who share your views. I also sense that you may be anticipating a bit of disappointment in the upcoming elections, and are spewing a bit of sour grapes prematurely.

If we all need to get along, why now, when it looks like the republicans are on their way out, and not as soon as they took office? Where was this litany of forewarning 6 years ago?

Lastly, Sniper, I will give you this. And I mean this sincerely. You bring up a very scary idea, and we should all keep in mind that this possibility could present itself?.

Cheney as President???? <SHIVERRRRRR>

I will grant you that this forum probably wasn't the most appropriate place to post this.. But, it's one of those things where I wanted to post it somewhere and this was the only forum that I participate in political discussion aside from HuffPo, so... Ya'all were my guinea pigs.

Also, keep in mind that this wasn't a solid prediction of things to come..

It's entirely possible (likely even) that the Dems win partial control with their hatred intact and yet, this country survives and prospers..

But to consider that the above scenario is even POSSIBLE!??? I would think that would be a wake up call...

As far as President Cheney?? Well, the Neo-Dems are pushing hot and heavy for an impeachment of Bush. If the gain enough control of Congress, then President Cheney is a distinct possibility..

What you think of the Neo-Dems now???

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Yea... And what happens when the Neo-Dems perceive that ANOTHER election has been "stolen" from them??

What happened last time?

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And that is where you are wrong.. The hatred, while deep and blinding against Bush is also directed at the GOP in general.

Maybe you should move on from the huffpo. One forum, does not, a political party opinion make. It's a group of people all agreeing with one another. Kind of like this forum, but obviously one small difference.

Welcome to my world. Don't worry. I don't fear global implosion over the views I read on this site. We'll be okay chicken little. (Pats little head).

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After the Foley issue, there were serious posts from well-known political pundits calling "EVERY REPUBLICAN" a pedophile.

Well known political pundits say silly shyte all the time. Relax Calmate los pedos!

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I can assure you, the hatred is directed towards the Right, in general. It may be focused on Bush but that is just because he is the highest profile Republican target around.

Maybe I?m only speaking for myself, but you may be mistaking hate, with frustration over administration incompetence, and disdain with our insipid leader. You are right (oops) correct, there is a gang mentality among political followers on both sides, but the sky isn?t actually falling.

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:

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Yea... And what happens when the Neo-Dems perceive that ANOTHER election has been "stolen" from them??

What happened last time?

A lot of violence with assaults against GOP volunteers and a lot of damage to property.

What will happen if the Neo-Dems perceived it occurred a THIRD time. There isn't any reason to think that the violence won't escalate...

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:

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And that is where you are wrong.. The hatred, while deep and blinding against Bush is also directed at the GOP in general.

Maybe you should move on from the huffpo. One forum, does not, a political party opinion make. It's a group of people all agreeing with one another. Kind of like this forum, but obviously one small difference.

Welcome to my world. Don't worry. I don't fear global implosion over the views I read on this site. We'll be okay chicken little. (Pats little head).

But what you don't get is that the people making the commentarys are NATIONAL.. Their words get out to the entire country... And 95% of it is all hate laced rhetoric..

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:

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After the Foley issue, there were serious posts from well-known political pundits calling "EVERY REPUBLICAN" a pedophile.

Well known political pundits say silly shyte all the time. Relax Calmate los pedos!

And Democratic Party leaders?? The entire left wing...

Do you read much in the political sector? I mean more than just the daily news.. You should visit some of the sites that are actually SHAPING the Democratic Party... You are in for an eye-opener..

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:

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I can assure you, the hatred is directed towards the Right, in general. It may be focused on Bush but that is just because he is the highest profile Republican target around.

Maybe I?m only speaking for myself, but you may be mistaking hate, with frustration over administration incompetence, and disdain with our insipid leader. You are right (oops) correct, there is a gang mentality among political followers on both sides, but the sky isn?t actually falling.

Probably not.. But the simple fact that it has gone so far as to be a remote possibility is sad enough, wouldn't you agree..

I guess we'll know more in about 3 weeks time. And as much as I LOVE to say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" I hope I don't have the oppurtunity to do so...

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I guess we'll know more in about 3 weeks time. And as much as I LOVE to say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" I hope I don't have the oppurtunity to do so...

Don't worry too much. You won't have to. Even if you get your way in the coming elections, rest assured, the world will keep on spinning.

Yeah I follow plenty of political discussion. I just know how to filter out the extremists, because they do not speak for the majority. They're just the loudest and craziest, so they get the most play.

Even if this does come to pass..

Us'all are "Ghost Recon trained". We'll do OK..