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Give me an acceptable bandwagon and I am a jumpin' fool!!! 
Why not??? I can give you one very good reason as to why... War with Iran is coming... Wouldn't it be really really nifty to have access to all the Iraqi oil to fight that war?? Not to mention a really nifty staging ground from which to fight it... Think about it....
See above...
Here's the thing... We elected Bush to make these kinds of decisions for us. You feel that attacking Iraq is not appropriate at this time... Can you at least acknowledge that the administration may know a bit more about things than you or I??? The simple fact that you don't know WHY we had to attack Iraq at this particular moment in time does not preclude the possibility that maybe there was a GOOD reason to do so now, rather than later.. My "pulled out of the air" scenario that it is a prelude to war with Iran is simply one possibility... We have elected officials so that the can know things we don't know, so they can make decisions we don't want to make. Is it so far-fetched to believe that maybe there IS a good and valid reason for going into Iraq and we, for security reasons, simply cannot be told??? Isn't that a possibility??? SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me  Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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Actually, the Lebanonese Hezbollah is more concerned about Shebaa Farms than the Golan.. The Golan is an Israel/Syria issue... Lebanon has been after Israel to cede the Sheeba Farms (AKA Cheeba Farms) area. Funny thing is, as far as International Treaties are concerned, Sheeba Farms is part of Syrian Territory and therefore is not an issue with Lebanon.. That is why the UN certified that Isreal had complied with UN resolutions and completely disengaged from Lebanon. But the Lebanonese Hezbollah knows this and is meerly using the Sheeba Farms as an excuse to attack Israel.. And you are quite incorrect as far as Hezbollah's main objective.. Their main objective is and always been the complete and utter destruction of Israel.. They have stated as much in their manifesto... That is telling it like it is and anyone who has an iota of knowledge of the reason knows this to be true... SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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They fail to realise that it is about Palestine. They fail to realise that Hezbollah's main objective is fighting for Golan Heights which Israel continues to occupy. American media also likes to portray them as terrorists even though Hezbollah denounced the Sept. 11 attacks and the beheading of Nick Berg. This is news you would never hear on American television. Don't get me wrong, I don't support these rebels. My point is that the American people are blinded from the truth and the media is unbalanced in regards to telling it as it really is.
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C’mon Sniper. I’m familiar with the atrocities. Why Iraq, and why now? [/QUOTE] Why not??? I can give you one very good reason as to why... War with Iran is coming... Wouldn't it be really really nifty to have access to all the Iraqi oil to fight that war?? Not to mention a really nifty staging ground from which to fight it... Think about it.... Here's the thing... We elected Bush to make these kinds of decisions for us. You feel that attacking Iraq is not appropriate at this time... Can you at least acknowledge that the administration may know a bit more about things than you or I??? The simple fact that you don't know WHY we had to attack Iraq at this particular moment in time does not preclude the possibility that maybe there was a GOOD reason to do so now, rather than later.. My "pulled out of the air" scenario that it is a prelude to war with Iran is simply one possibility... We have elected officials so that the can know things we don't know, so they can make decisions we don't want to make. Is it so far-fetched to believe that maybe there IS a good and valid reason for going into Iraq and we, for security reasons, simply cannot be told??? Isn't that a possibility???[/QUOTE] Wow. I don't know where to begin. I thought from another thread you and I may have a similar perspective. But... wow. I'll have to post later. Right now, I've got to get to work and quite literallly continue the worry about the real threats in the world that existed before 2003 (and still continue virtually unaffected) plus the new ones that were created in 2003. |
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People say that Bush's reason for going to war was WMDs. Now we have found chemical weapsons, and people are still complaining. This proves that opposition to Bush is the objective, and not opposition to the war.
I guess WMDs are no longer a valid reason either. SOD bring up another good point about a staging ground for Iran. You want to know what the real problem with the Middle East is? Currently we all know that a large sum of oil is being pumped from the Mid East. This produces wealth for a small select number of people. The rest of the populace feed off of the scraps and lives in poverty. There is a Saudi prince that has several warehouses full of Rolls Royces, Ferraris, etc... The cars are all parked in so tightly that you cannot even get to them. The vast majority have never been driven, and never will be. These are also no ordinary cars, there are many custom "one off" models like a four door 550 Maranello that costs more than many mansions in the US. The general populace does benefit a bit from this wealth, but very little of it trickles down. This is where the REAL problem lies. What happens in twenty years when the oil trickles off? What little wealth that the people there see will dry up, and the already poor will become completely destitute. This sets up a perfect scenario for a Mid East Hitler to come in and rally the people. Look at how popular Bin Laden is already. Imagine the power a person like that would have when the wells run dry. At least with democracy, the markets there would open up, there would be incentives for the people to produce, and a real economy that does not depend so heavily on oil could exist. A country does not need natural resources to be successful in business. We can either face this issue now, or face this issue later. Either way, those claiming that they protest the war because we have not found any WMDs and Bush lied to us need to admit that they are wrong. |
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YOU: Here's the thing... We elected Bush to make these kinds of decisions for us.
ME: OH MY GOD, STOP IT, YOU'RE SCARING ME. BUSH? BEING MY DECIDER???? NOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU: Can you at least acknowledge that the administration may know a bit more about things than you or I??? ME: I can acknowledge that the military knows more about world affairs than the administration. Can you? YOU: We have elected officials so that they can know things we don't know, so they can make decisions we don't want to make. ME: No, we have two individuals to choose from. And I didn't choose this baboon to make decisions for me. You did. Oh, and that comment sounded frighteningly like Brittany Spears. Sniper, you quote pirate! |
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That's what we elected him for... I fail to see why you are so shocked at this...
Not without proof... I doubt that the Military would be abreast of world affairs from a Diplomatic point of view..
[/quote] The American people, AS A WHOLE, chose Bush to be our leader.. Are you saying, just because your candidate didn't win, you are not going to support the President during a time of war?? Hmmmmmmmmm SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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I am absolutely not going to support that baboon. It wasn't because my choice lost. It is because Bush is a baboon.
Would you support someone you considered to be a baboon? Disclaimer - No disrespect to actual baboons. I love animals. Especially animals with big pink butts. Also, Sniper, you wrote, "The Lebanonese Hezbollah is more concerned about Shebaa Farms than the Golan. The Golan is an Israel/Syria issue... " If Hezbollah is funded by Syria, then isn't The Golan an Israel/Syria/Hezbollah issue? |
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See, there is where you depart with reality.. Obviously, Bush is not a baboon.. Near as I can tell, the US Constitution doesn't allow Primates to be president. I think it's because they are not citizens or something like that.
I wouldn't have to.. See above...
Hezbollah is funded by Syria, but it is not considered a Syrian entity.. Just as it is also funded by Iran but is not considered an Iranian entity. Iran has it's own Hezbollah which, if I recall correctly, had it's beginnings with the US Hostages debacle under President Carter. SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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In response to the baboon responses, Ha! You've got a good sense of humor for a Bush baked backer.
C'mon. Don't you have to consider the puppet masters (Syria, Iran) to be the source of the problem? |
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As I have clearly established, I am not a Bush "backer"... I have pointed out my MANY disagreements I have with Bush.. But, we ARE at war and Bush IS the Commander In Chief. As a patriotic American it is your DUTY to support the President. Dissent all you want. I do... But not supporting the CinC during time of war is simply stoopid...
They are the "source" of the problem insofar as they allow Hezbollah to exist... But, by and large, you do not see Terrorist Groups committing actions outside their own little pond.. Ex: You won't see Lebanonese Hezbollah committing acts in the West Bank or Gaza. Those areas are under Hamas' sphere of influence. That is not to say that terror groups do not share intel.. And there might be one or two minor incidences of "cross pollination" so to speak. But, by and large, these terror groups are very territorial.... Which is to our benefit.. God help us if they every actually co-ordinated their strategy on a global scale.. Democracies wouldn't stand a chance.. SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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So you admit you're baked? 
Hahahaa! OMG, Stop it Sniper, you're killing me! I support my military. But supporting that tard would make me as much of a tard.
You don't get it. Any dissention I possess is due to said bonehad and his making us go to war in Iraq. How would I be wiser than I am by supporting either? D |
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That "tard" is the Commander.. So, how can you say you support the military when you don't support the Commander?? If you don't support the Commander of the Military, you cannot claim to support the Military. It's that simple...
I am not sure what you are trying to say here... The simple fact is, Bush is the Commander In Chief.. By NOT supporting the CinC during time of war, you are doing a disservice to your country... If that's what you want your legacy to be, more power to ya.. SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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My legacy? I could give a *edit* if anyone remembers anything about me when I'm gone. I don't care what they say about me now, let alone after I am dead. I'm concerned with our military personnel and our citizens now and in the future.
As for monkey boy being the commander, our troops are as powerful as they are in spite of him. Not because of him. He has put them in harm's way unduly, and against the recommendations of his own generals. That is abhorrent, borderline criminal, and that is my point. Oh, and him being a nitwit is my point too. This message has been edited. Last edited by: <ms-kleaneasy>, |
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Then you should support the commanders of the military.. If you don't then you have no right to claim that you are concerned about the military and American citizens..
Regardless of your personal opinion, Bush is still the commader of our military. If you don't support Bush, you have no right to claim you support the military.
In YOUR opinion. And, as we have established, you do not have all the facts. Only a fool forms an opinion based on ignorance and I know you are not a fool..
There may have been one or two dissenting opinions.. So?? He IS the Commander in Chief, whether you like it or not.
Oh puuuleeeezzee..  Now you are starting to sound like that raving lunatic, Sheehan... I spose next you will be trying to convince us that Bush used Nuclear Weapons in Iraq and was responsible for the Spanish Inquisition and the Black Plague..
See, that is why it is so easy to laugh at you Bush Bashers.. You people are soo far removed from reality that you haven't a clue what's up or down... "Nitwit" indeed... One doesn't get elected President not once, but TWICE, by being a "nitwit"... Please try and stick with reality, if you don't mind. Thanx ever so much... SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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YOU Then you should support the commanders of the military.
ME I support the military from Bush down, less one. YOU Regardless of your personal opinion, Bush is still the commander of our military. If you don't support Bush, you have no right to claim you support the military. ME Of course I do. There is nothing military about Bush; Except for the whole military dodging aspect. Trust me, I know what you mean about him being the commander in chief. But he made the wrong decision and it is costing lives unduly. I do not have to support him in making that mistake. My DUTY is to call him on it. YOU There may have been one or two dissenting opinions.. So?? He IS the Commander in Chief, whether you like it or not. ME Sniper! You can’t remove a general from power for having a dissenting opinion. Especially one that, once discounted, puts our troops in harm’s way! That is the abhorrent, borderline criminal part I was referring to. YOU "Nitwit" indeed... One doesn't get elected President not once, but TWICE, by being a "nitwit"... ME Are you kidding? What qualifications, other than political pull and money, does a person need to get elected president? If you say education I will come poop on your front lawn. EDIT: VIDEO included for your enjoyment. This message has been edited. Last edited by: ROT_Danger, |
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Sorry but I can't fully support someone who has such a great disregard for the United States constitution. Internal strife and bad decisions have destroyed just as many nations as foreign aggressors. |
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What you call "disregard for the US Constitution", I call a great personal courage to protect US citizens. He IS the Commander In Chief and this IS war time. What part of that don't you understand??
Prove it... SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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Then you don't support the military. You only support certain people in the military.
Thank you, Dan Rather.
Which wrong decision are you referring to?? So, your beef with Bush is that he is not perfect??
First off, cite your source.. Second of all, it depends on how alleged general expresses alleged dissent. You sure as hell can remove a general if his "dissent" is insubordination.
Provide facts to back up your accusation or don't make them..
Good leadership for one. You see, that's why it is so easy to tune out Bush Bashers. You don't CARE what straw you pull, as long as it bashes Bush... Now, me.. I am objective about Bush. That's what gives me the edge in a debate about Bush over Bush bashers. Bush bashers are fanatical in their hatred of Bush that they will go to any lengths, no matter how wrong, fantastic or other wise moronic in their efforts to bash Bush. Now, one final question for your graduation to full-ledged looney left Bush Basher... Name someone who could have handled things since 9/11 better than George Bush. SODsniper XBOX 360 suffering from RROD Design Flaw?? I can fix. PM me Pain heals... Chicks dig scars... Glory lasts forever... |
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So we found chemical weapons in Iraq and the naysayers are still saying Bush was wrong, and a liar.
So what did Bush lie about now that the chemical weapons ARE there? |
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