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grrrrr.. Must have overwhelmed the server..

The article basically outlines how my favorite loon, Cindy Sheehan, used false pretenses (a Katrina "Survivor") to purchase acreage adjacent Bush's Crawford ranch...

I heard that on the news last night. He won't see her anymore now than he has recently either way.

For those who cannot get to the URL in question:
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Cindy Sheehan Moves to Crawford, Locals Not Amused — (07/28/2006)

Crawford- Anti-War Activist Cindy Sheehan is going to become a neighbor of President Bush, and local residents are not happy about the mess.

On the Gold Star Families For Peace website, Sheehan explained how Central Texas had grown on her. She now wants a permanent place where she and fellow protestors can go to demonstrate against President Bush.

Peace Supporter, Gerry Fonseca, says he purchased the 5-acre parcel, which cost more than $52,000. It was bought with the money frome her son, Casey's, life insurance policy.

"I doubt they would have sold her the property if she tried to buy it herself," said Foncseca.

"I feel deceived," said Celia Ramsey, who sold the land to Cindy Sheehan through a third party. She talked to News Channel 25 exclusively on the matter. "I would have never sold it to Sheehan. Nobody wants them here."

The Ramsey's claim Fonseca told them he was an evacuee from Hurricane Katrina.

Fonseca told News Channel 25 he "apologized to the Ramsey's for the inconvenience, but we (Gold Star Families For Peace) are going to do everything in our power to not disturb them."

Ramsey told News Channel 25, she plans on talking to a lawyer over the matter.

"I am very sad it came to this point where we had to buy a permanent home," said Sheehan. "I thought President Bush would have resigned by now. But I am happy about a permanent home in Crawford."

Anti-war protesters are scheduled to gather on the Sheehan property in August, when the president vacations in Crawford for the first couple of weeks next month.

Last fall, McLennan County Commissioners passed an ordinance, banning parking on roadways and other traffic and crowd control measures.

A lawsuit has been filed over the matter by Cindy Sheehan and fellow protestors, alleging the ruling by county commissioners violates their First Amendment rights.

-pr, reporting by sk
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It's remarkable how the Anti-War movement decries "dishonesty", yet we see how they run their own lives..

Using a pathetic ad hominem tactic against one person in the antiwar movement doesn't prove anything, buddy. 35,000+ Iraqi civilians are dead due to a war that was started on fabricated statements. You truly are a disgusting human being if you think the dishonestly levels are anywhere near the same.

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Originally posted by Scoliotic:
Using a pathetic ad hominem tactic against one person in the antiwar movement doesn't prove anything, buddy.

It proves that the antiwar movement, as embodied by this particular lunatic, is short on the honesty and integrity that they claim is faulting in the US leadership. I mean, com' on... A Katrina survivor?? How low a lie is that??

The seller plans on getting a lawyer to see if she can nullify the sale. I really hope she can.

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Originally posted by Scoliotic:
35,000+ Iraqi civilians are dead due to a war that was started on fabricated statements.

Do you have a source for that number??

I KNOW you don't have a source for the "fabricated statements" comment. Because it has already been PROVEN by 3 different commissions that there were no fabricated statements.

Being wrong is not a fabrication. That is something the looney left just can't get their brains around...

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Originally posted by Scoliotic:
You truly are a disgusting human being if you think the dishonestly levels are anywhere near the same.

Oh, so it's ok to be a little dishonest, right?? It's this type of meely mouth flip flopping that is keeping the Democrats out of elected office.

Let's hope the loony left never wises up and actually tries to act with the honesty and integirty that they accuse others of not having....

Yea, like THAT will ever happen.. ..

No, it proves that one person is dishonest. It doesn't say anything about the antiwar movement as a whole. I could gives dozens of sources documenting the number of Iraqi dead but even Bush admitted to atleast 30,000 Iraqi dead civillians a month or so ago. It's pretty obvious that you're nothing more than an ultra-conservative fanboy that can do nothing but attempt and slander that reputation of the other side while completely ignoring the true costs of this war.

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Originally posted by Scoliotic:
No, it proves that one person is dishonest.
It doesn't say anything about the antiwar movement as a whole.

That "one person" being the poster child for the "new" anti-war movement..

But I am glad to see that we agree that it was dishonest. Common ground. That is the key.. Common ground.

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Originally posted by Scoliotic:
I could gives dozens of sources documenting the number of Iraqi dead but even Bush admitted to atleast 30,000 Iraqi dead civillians a month or so ago.

OK, I will conditionally concede the number. Now, my next question. What's your point? That freedom doesn't come free?? I think everyone already knows that.

You seem to want to show compassion. Why not show compassion for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that were brutally raped and murdered under Saddam... Or does showing them compassion just doesn't fit with your Bush Bashing agenda??

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Originally posted by Scoliotic:
It's pretty obvious that you're nothing more than an ultra-conservative fanboy that can do nothing but attempt and slander that reputation of the other side while completely ignoring the true costs of this war.

Ooohh I just love when this argument is used!

First of all, I am far from being an "ultra-conservative" or ANY kind of conservative. In regards to most things, I vehemently disagree with Bush. I believe that the ONLY requirement for marriage should be that the couple loves each other. Gender shouldn't enter into it. I am vehemently anti-religious. Bush's moral crusade rubs us the wrong way (my wife is bi-sexual). And I beleive that abortion is a woman's choice and no one else's.

Now, do you want to try that "ultra conservative" label on me again?? I don't think it'll fit..

As to the true costs of war... I know more about the true costs of war then I hope you never have to know..

But there is something that you "Peace At All Cost" crowd really need to comprehend.. There are some things that are worse than war...

You are afraid of the costs of war?? You needn't be. You should be more afraid of the price that "peace at any cost" would entail..

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Originally posted by SODsniper:
[QUOTE]Oh, so it's ok to be a little dishonest, right??

Right there with you. I think all bad people and dishonest icky stuff should just go away. It's shamefull that our military does tricky things like feints, ruses, use of decoys, camouflage, Info Ops tactics. Why, I've even heard those sneaky colonists are hiding behind trees to shoot. Can they do that? Is that fair?

As far as Cindy SheeMan..(purposeful there)
I received an email from an organization that has investigated this "Lady" intensively..
She lost custody of her son that was killed in Iraq, public record....She ha salso given up custody of another child in her last marriage/divorce. She is now batting 0 for 2..
She took the insurance money that she got for the death of her somn in Iraq that she had no contact with to buy the fround in "Taxas" (No I don't care for that state much,purely a scenic perspective) And, there in the email was a picture of her sons grave...No stone and no flowers, sad looking little plot, and no visitation by Miz Sheehan..
Such is our world today...

Leep,

I'm no fan of Cindy Sheehan, or as I've often heard her referred to around here, Cindy "Crawford."

All the stuff about her losing custody of her son, etc. ended up being a case of mistaken identity with another cindy sheehan on the part of whoever was looking into the records. Her husband did, however, divorce her over the whole living in a ditch on the side of the road in Texas thing.

My take? Anyone who would spend all day sitting in a ditch IN TEXAS IN AUGUST! must be beyond mentally retarded. Based on that alone she should be locked up in a mental institution, not listened to or admired.

P.S. I'm tellin' ya Leep, you've got to go West of Austin!

Why anyone wants to live in Northern Mexico is beyond me, ps don't drink the water, dont bathe in the water and for petes sake, dont fish in the water...

Leep out:

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Originally posted by Thoramir:

My take? Anyone who would spend all day sitting in a ditch IN TEXAS IN AUGUST! must be beyond mentally retarded. Based on that alone she should be locked up in a mental institution, not listened to or admired.

^^^^^^^^^^

Northern Mexico? More like Western Lousiana.

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Originally posted by Scoliotic:
Using a pathetic ad hominem tactic against one person in the antiwar movement doesn't prove anything, buddy. 35,000+ Iraqi civilians are dead due to a war that was started on fabricated statements. You truly are a disgusting human being if you think the dishonestly levels are anywhere near the same.

Yes, 35,000 Iraqis have died, but I guess that is too great a price to pay for taking out a dictator that has killed HUNDREDS of thousands.

Remember Clinton made the same arguement that mass graves would be found once we took out old Slobo? Where are the graves? Sure we found a few thousand, but that is not even a fraction of the numbers some were claiming.

Also, don't you know that they have found Sarin and Mustard gas in Iraq? They were already loaded up in artillerty shells too.

One soldier wounded is too high a price to pay to remove that particular dic-taster from power at this time.

The US government has higher priorities, with regards to keeping the US and it's allies safe, than removing that particular murderer from power right now. With the problems we face, particularly what is transpiring now in Israel, we are stretched too thin and it's partially due to an unwarranted war in Iraq!

As a buddy of mine said this weekend, I'm sure North Korea is going to stop f-ing around with their missle systems long enough for us to finish everything else we've gotten ourselves into, (Iraq, Afghanistan, and I'm sure Israel any day).

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
One soldier wounded is too high a price to pay to remove that particular dic-taster from power at this time.

I would say, probably not from the perspective of those living ..er.... under .. said dic-taster...

But you raise an interesting point... I wonder how many others reading this thread would agree with you...

The reason being is that it seems that some feel Israel's response to Hamas and Hezbollah is quite "disproportionate" to the "minor" offense of invasion, killing and kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.

Now, you are saying that "one soldier wounded" is too high a price...

I'll have to mull this one....

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
The US government has higher priorities, with regards to keeping the US and it's allies safe, than removing that particular murderer from power right now. With the problems we face, particularly what is transpiring now in Israel, we are stretched too thin and it's partially due to an unwarranted war in Iraq!

Depends on how you define unwarranted... And who is doing the defining... I am sure the people being murdered and raped by Saddam and his cronies would feel that it was VERY warranted...

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
As a buddy of mine said this weekend, I'm sure North Korea is going to stop f-ing around with their missle systems long enough for us to finish everything else we've gotten ourselves into, (Iraq, Afghanistan, and I'm sure Israel any day).

So, you don't have a problem with the US being the world's policeman... You just feel that doing it in Iraq is not the proper way to proceed...

Is that an accurate assessment of your position...


Let's face it.. The Iraq War was the right thing to do.. Morally and ethically....

It's really that simple...

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Originally posted by Sniper:

I would say, probably not from the perspective of those living...er.... under... said dic-taster...

Sniper, I’m glad you’re jumping on my “perspective” bandwagon.

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Depends on how you define unwarranted... And who is doing the defining... I am sure the people being murdered and raped by Saddam and his cronies would feel that it was VERY warranted...

C’mon Sniper. I’m familiar with the atrocities. Why Iraq, and why now?

More to the point; relating my point of priorities, why a country that posed no threat to the US while we were already fighting a war in Afghanistan? I say “posed” since only since our invasion, have Iraqis become a threat to US citizens. So the question is, why Iraq, and with everything else we have going on, why now?

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So, you don't have a problem with the US being the world's policeman... You just feel that doing it in Iraq is not the proper way to proceed...Is that an accurate assessment of your position...

Nice twist. Actually, what I said was that there are threats that we need to focus on. Attacking a country, that the US military sees as lesser of a threat than others, makes some people sense an ulterior motive on the part of the US government.

We went to war in a manner adverse to world opinion, not to mention the US military itself. It is astounding that this has been accepted by the American people.

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Because the american people believe what the T.V. tells them. I find it even more funny that most of the American people believe that terrorists hate freedom and are jealous of American luxuries They fail to realise that it is about Palestine. They fail to realise that Hezbollah's main objective is fighting for Golan Heights which Israel continues to occupy. American media also likes to portray them as terrorists even though Hezbollah denounced the Sept. 11 attacks and the beheading of Nick Berg. This is news you would never hear on American television. Don't get me wrong, I don't support these rebels. My point is that the American people are blinded from the truth and the media is unbalanced in regards to telling it as it really is.