That rhymes and you know it!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213930,00.html

Anyways, personally I feel that a LOT of Muslims go out of their way to feel offended. And this quote!! This rivals the "Illegal immigrants obey the law" quote for ultimate stupidity!!


"Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said


TRANSLATION:
"YOU MUST BE TOLERANT OF OUR RELIGION!! WE WILL BURN RAPE AND KILL YOU IF YOU ARE NOT!!!"

Aslam said Muslims had a long history of tolerance, adding that when the Catholic kingdom of Spain expelled its Jewish population in 1492 they were welcomed by Muslim nations such as the Turkish Ottoman Empire.

TRANSLATION:
The "long history" of Islam "tolerance" is ancient history. These days we just kill anyone that looks at us cross-eyed.."

I mean, com'on! In this case, the Pope was meerly quoting from a book about what someone ELSE said..

Get a grip, Islam....

Since when do you care what the Pope says?

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
Since when do you care what the Pope says?

I really don't...

But I DO care when the moronic facist muslim types use it as just another excuse to burn, pillage and destroy..

If all it is, is an excuse, then why b|tch about it? If it's an excuse, then if they hadn't obtained rationale for their actions from the Pope's comments, then they'd just find it elsewhere. Don't you think?

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
If all it is, is an excuse, then why b|tch about it? If it's an excuse, then if they hadn't obtained rationale for their actions from the Pope's comments, then they'd just find it elsewhere. Don't you think?

Most likely..

Thank you for agreeing with me.. It's nice to know we do actually have common ground...

I think we found it with Madden. Ahhh football. Let those commie pinkos try to take that away from us.

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Originally posted by ROT_Danger:
I think we found it with Madden. Ahhh football. Let those commie pinkos try to take that away from us.

They'de pull back a stump!!!

That's too funny.

You don't have Madden on PC too do you? We could play an IP game. I refuse to play on XBOX after all these years being spoiled with my PC.

My wife is irked to hear this however, since this means $$$ cha-ching $$$ for years to come.

The Pope apologized that Muslims reacted the way that they did. Odd, since he has no responsiblity for that whatsoever. It's rather astonishing that the Muslim response to everything is violence even as they claim that Islam is a religion of peace. At this point much of the world seems to be held hostage by fear of Islam and Muslims.

Don't forget, Islam is the Religion of Peace.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

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Originally posted by buzzcocks:
Don't forget, Islam is the Religion of Peace.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Yes, I've heard that before even though it actually means "submission." Usually you hear it when Muslims are acting in a decidely non-peaceful manner. So it gets said a lot.

A quote from an article in the American Spectator...

(full story here)

quote:

As I travel the globe, I keep looking for evidence that Islam is the religion of peace and Judaism and Christianity are using violence to advance their faiths. Strangely, I have yet to discover Christian converts filling a truck with dynamite and destroying a mosque. Or congregants at a Jewish temple torching a Muslim madrassah. I'm looking for cases of Mormons hijacking a plane to crash into downtown Islamabad, Hare Krishnas kidnapping and beheading Muslim aid workers, and Bahais taking over a cruise ship and tossing overboard a handicapped, elderly Muslim.

I'm still waiting.

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Islamic protests against the slightest Western criticism of or doubt about the religion of Mohammed ring hollow. It is sad that many Muslims appear unable to defend their faith through anything but intimidation. Moreover, so long as their religion is noted for its willingness to persecute and employ violence around the globe, they have little credibility to complain of offenses by others.

I don't dispute anything said here... I just wonder why the Pope didn't mention the Crusades if he was really trying to talk to the negative realities of using violence to promote the word of God. Seems like he would have been able to find a common ground that wouldn't have been met by the kneejerk reaction to defend Islam.

-Strych-

The Christian Crusades were nothing other than responses to Islamic conquest. The idea was to rid the Holy Land of the Islamic occupation and take it back. Many of the Crusaders were criminals, told by the Pope that if they participated in the Crusades their sins would be forgiven. This probably explains the barbarity of the Crusades.

I just think it is sadly ironic that Muslims have to resort to violence every time someone suggests that maybe Islam is too violent...

Go figger....

I'm not sure how this differs from what the extreme Muslims think they are doing now... Crusaders were trying to 'take back' the holy land and today's extreme Muslims are trying to 'take back' their conquered land - all the way to Spain. Both are in the name of God... Let's not forget the Northern Crusades that didn't have much to do w/Islam. It doesn't matter who the Crusade was against... I'm only saying that it was done in God's name to spread Christianity and help control control the populus.

How is this different from what the Pope was referring to when he used the quote? I hope the answer doesn't have something to do with the Crusades being a defensive strategy... That's a statement based on perspective. I doubt the people of the Middle East and/or Central Europe felt they were for defense.

As I said before... It's not important who the Crusades were against. It was the Papacy in many instances that pushed for the organization of the Crusades. It would seem hypocritical to leave that out when you're 'quoting' condemnation.

-Strych-

I agree with you there. You can't say that your non-violent and burn effigies to the Pope at the same time.

There is a very large difference - the crusades ended hundreds of years ago. The First Crusade was also a response to Muslim predations on Christian pilgrims. It increased its scope beyond that, but that was the original intent. The Crusades are also wholly irrelevant to the present situation.

In Muslim lands, non-Muslims are persecuted. Non-Muslims are also not permitted in some places, something that you do not see elsewhere. Some Muslim countries still have slavery as well.

As I said...don't bother using 'defense' as justification for killing in the name of the Lord. That's a perspective thing...(one side's defense corresponds to the other's offense.)

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Originally posted by MDS_Geist:
There is a very large difference - the crusades ended hundreds of years ago. The First Crusade was also a response to Muslim predations on Christian pilgrims. It increased its scope beyond that, but that was the original intent. The Crusades are also wholly irrelevant to the present situation.

What's the relevance to saying the Crusades ended hundreds of years ago? The Crusades stretched on for hundreds of years and DID include heinous acts 'in the name of the Lord'. How could you say the Crusades are "WHOLEY irrelevant to the present situation"? In both situtations one side wants to stop the other side from spreading its influence and they're doing it in the name of God. Let's look at the word Crusade and what it has come to mean...The American Heritage Dictionary defines the word Crusade as "A holy war undertaken with papal sancation". Considering one of today's big buzzwords is "Jihad - Holy War" it can't get much more relevant than that.

I don't know, maybe you think I'm advocating what the radical Muslims are doing today. I'm not. I think it's wrong to kill in God's name. Just like I think it's wrong (illogical) to pray for victory before playing a football game. God doesn't take sides. (Which is why 'defense' isn't a justifiable reason to kill in God's name.)

Anyway, I agree with the Pope's over-all message that faith and war don't mix, but still think he was wrong to leave the Crusades out. He may have been better off leaving the quote out too... that made it personal.

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In Muslim lands, non-Muslims are persecuted. Non-Muslims are also not permitted in some places, something that you do not see elsewhere. Some Muslim countries still have slavery as well.

I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, but what does this have to do with the topic at hand? Is it because it's happening right now, at the same time the Pope gave his speech? Is it because you think that it never happened to Jews and Muslims during the Crusades? The Pope thought history was relevant enough to quote a 14th century emperor.


-Stryych-

How about this instead? Why don't we stop apologizing for offenses and defend freedom of speech?

As asked for in this article...

Some quotes...

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Western politicians, writers, thinkers, and speakers should stop apologizing—and start uniting.

By this, I don't mean that we all need to rush to defend or to analyze this particular sermon: I leave that to experts on Byzantine theology (...). But we can all unite in our support for freedom of speech—surely the pope is allowed to quote medieval texts—and of the press. And we can also unite—loudly—in our condemnation of violent, unprovoked attacks on churches, embassies, and elderly nuns. By "we" I mean here the White House, the Vatican, the German Greens, the French Foreign Ministry, NATO, Greenpeace, Le Monde, and Fox News. Western institutions of the left, the right, and everything in between. True, these principles sound pretty elementary—"we're pro-free speech and anti-gratuitous violence"—but in the days since the pope's sermon, I don't feel that I've heard them defended in anything like a unanimous chorus. A lot more time has been spent analyzing what the pontiff meant to say, or should have said, or ought to have said if he had been given better advice.

I've emphasized (above) exactly what is going on in this forum and elsewhere...

Now on to more quotes...

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All of which is simply beside the point, since nothing the pope has ever said comes even close to matching the vitriol, extremism, and hatred that pours out of the mouths of radical imams and fanatical clerics every day of the week all across Europe and the Muslim world, almost none of which ever provokes any Western response at all.

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But if stray comments by Western leaders—not to mention Western films, books, cartoons, traditions, ethics, and values—are going to inspire violence on a regular basis, I don't feel that it's asking too much for the West to quit saying sorry and remain united, occasionally, in its own defense. The fanatics attacking the pope already limit the right to free speech among their own followers. I don't see why we should allow them to limit our right to free speech, too.

Again, I added my own emphasis, to help drive home the point.