Im pretty certain women arent allowed to be combat soldiers in SpecOps. Maybe they changed things recently, but from everything Ive read you have to be a male to get into these groups. Even if SF allows women in combat, I know for certain the SEALs dont, you have to be a male and preferably younger than 28 years old to even qualify for the selection program.

BTW I dont think putting women into combat situations is a good idea. Women have more hygiene problems to tend to and would be more susceptible to infections in rough field conditions (this isnt my observation, but one in a study done by the military). If women soldiers are captured, they have to worry about being raped and impregnated, thus having to deal with the birth of a child concieved under the entirely wrong circumstances. Women, no matter how tuff, simply dont have it in them genetically to build the upper body mass of typical male.

Finally, if women are made combat soldiers, they will be drafted as such in any war that males need to be drafted, this would cause obvious social problems. For example, I imagine a lot of families wouldnt stand for their 18 year old daughter being drafted for combat infantry if a war ever reached that point, sons and brothers have done it for centuries, but when a young girl has to go fight as a combat soldier, forcibly, people tend to feel differently about that then when a young man is forcibly made to fight.

Yes but at the age of 18 you are still sposed to register for the draft even though the chances of use are slim to nil. I'm not saying they can't hack it I'm just saying that people will always have reasons to deny them the ability to do something. I just listed some of the ones used as of now. i have a life and it does involve the opposite sex and a large dose of paintball on an almost weekendly basis. So think before you speak so you don't look like an idiot and an @sshole. i have respect for all ppl in the military but you have lost all of mine.

"So in the Lybian fable it is told
That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
Said, When he saw the fashion of the shaft,
'With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
Are we now smitten.'"
Aescheylus

Another good reason is so many men and so few women would make them fight each other for some time with them more than the enemy. Also they would take the mens minds off fighting and onto other things that would me less important than defending freedom but may not seem so at the time.

"So in the Lybian fable it is told
That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
Said, When he saw the fashion of the shaft,
'With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
Are we now smitten.'"
Aescheylus

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Originally posted by pcisbest:
BTW I dont think putting women into combat situations is a good idea. Women have more hygiene problems to tend to and would be more susceptible to infections in rough field conditions (this isnt my observation, but one in a study done by the military). If women soldiers are captured, they have to worry about being raped and impregnated, thus having to deal with the birth of a child concieved under the entirely wrong circumstances.

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Theres this thing called the injection u can have such things to prevent not only pregnancy but also menstrastion, again im not saying weather women should or shouldnt be in the forces only that the arguments used are often not valid IMO

That is the point though, the very fact that women would have to be given injections shows that there are more complications associated with women being in the field then men. Besides, many of these treatments can have longer-term effects on health or unpredictable results.

Even if you can prevent pregnancy, you still cannot prevent the "act". What I mean is that women, surrounded by large groups of men especially under war time conditions, would be very susceptible to rape and intimidation into non-consensual behaviour.

I was not just referrring to menstruation and pregnancy alone: it has been proven the female body is more susceptible to becomng infected in dirty and rough field conditions, for obvious reasons.

Also, you can say what you want, it is a scientifically proven FACT that women cannot build the muscle mass or carry the same loads as a typical, young male. This all the more a crucial factor as today's soldier is MORE encumbered than any other in history (i.e. typical field ruck of 80lbs, weapon...)

Finally, I really do think that drafting women into combat would be a bad idea. Maybe it doesnt bother the rest of you, but I for one would never want to see my sister or a daughter fighting as a combat soldier, not if I could avoid it. What do you mean baller59 "people will always have reasons to deny them the ability to do something"? Am I wrong for wanting to "deny" young girls the experience of killing another human being? I think the problem here is that I, and others out there, are kinda of a dying breed that still holds to a more archaic mindset in which we try everything in our power to prevent women from finding themselves in those types of terrible situations, which means I would rather go and fight before I saw any woman I know go and have to do it.

[This message was edited by pcisbest on Wed June 30 2004 at 02:04 AM.]

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Originally posted by pcisbest:
That is the point though, the very fact that women would have to be given injections shows that there are more complications associated with women being in the field then men. Besides, many of these treatments can have longer-term effects on health or unpredictable results.

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Is that not also the case for men???
I take it you are aware of the big fuss over the injections given to those who went out to the Gulf war???
The long term effects of the contraceptive injection are what exactly??

Im not saying they should or shouldnt be allowed in the forces, all im saying is that some of the *reasons given are often not accurate.

As to the possiblilty of them being raped, For that to happen they are prisoners and that being the case both men and women go through degrading experiences as POW's.

The assumption is that theres nothing u can do to a male prisoner that can be as degrading as rape to a women, and with all respect as i women i disagree. the type of treatment they recieve is degrading full stop regardless of sexuality. IMO

To my best knowledge, these are all government sponsered sites.

US Green Berets/ Special Forces
http://www.lewis.army.mil/sfrecruiting/index.html
"SPECIFICALLY, EVERY CANDIDATE:
-Must be a male soldier, ...."

US Army Ranger
https://www.perscomonline.army.mil/EPinf/rgrregvolunteer.htm
"Assignment Policy:
a. Male soldiers may volunteer for ranger duty..."

US Navy Seals
http://www.navyseals.com/community/navyseals/training_tadpoles.cfm
"Only men are eligible... "

IDF [ I was curious]
http://www.mahal2000.com/about/join.htm
"Female soldiers usually serve in non-combat units...."

For either gender having a desire to serve in a combat unit, more power to you.
-"Dulce bellum inexpertis(War is delightful to those who have no experience of it)"-Erasmus
-"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell" William Tecumseh Sherman

i never mentioned killing somebody, first it was voting then it was for equal rights, now i guess it is equal aability in the military. Whoever brought this thread back should be shot.

"So in the Lybian fable it is told
That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
Said, When he saw the fashion of the shaft,
'With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
Are we now smitten.'"
Aescheylus

Selective Service and women /backround
http://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm

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DOD review concluded "the success of the military will increasingly depend upon the participation of women."

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I totally agree with that. Any person that wants to serve their country has my respect. Gender aside, not being in combat does not lessen that respect.
Presently, are some women volunteering for service knowing that they will not be subject to close combat? And if this were to change, would it have a negative effect on the recruitment of this valuable resource?


http://cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp?docID=183

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-"...there is nothing ‘fair’ or ‘equal’ about warfare—it is not even civilized.”
-"To open up even more “career opportunities” for women, Aspin also eliminated the Defense Department’s (DoD) Risk Rule—a regulation intended to exempt women in non-combat positions from being assigned close to the front lines. Due to these changes, thousands of military women will be serving at higher risk in Operation Iraqi Freedom than anyone would have expected less than a decade ago."

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I don't think Congress will let the DOD change their current policy, because Congreessmen in general would fear the impact on their re-elections.

^ moron alert

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Originally posted by alfa_fsb:
Well i can show you tens of pictures of US SOF and there are only white males.
Now your problem is to show me pictures of black people or womans in SOF units.
No racism or sexist from me just observations.

Just how big of an ******* are you trying to be?
http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_041013-N-9693B-002.jpg

You know nothing. NOTHING!!!

Women are allowed to fly combat helicopters like the apache. Just thought I'd mention it.

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Originally posted by ShadowTurtle:
the isrealis tried out a female division of some sort (i think against libya but im not sure) and they were swiftly crushed.

Do you have a source on that? I don't recall an all female combat division.

Bear in mind that while women are often designated as being in "non-combat roles" that doesn't mean as much as you might think. There are still female soldiers on patrol and the border guards have a lot of women as well. You'll find few women in front-line kravi units but plenty of women are in fact fighting.

Yes, women do fly combat missions. However, there is a large difference between air combat and ground combat.

It's a game why you trippin? u know i get the same kinda bs on madden people saying women don't play football well you know what women do play video games weather they be sports or shooter or action!

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Originally posted by alfa_fsb:
Well i can show you tens of pictures of US SOF and there are only white males.
Now your problem is to show me pictures of black people or womans in SOF units.
No racism or sexist from me just observations.

so let me get this straight, ur saying that because u have never seen a pic of a special forces who is female or not white they dont exist.
Im not sure how things work in the US but i can promise u that the UK SAS do not go around posting there photos, so getting such photos wouldnt be something i could do.

Edit: as a example i can remember one black girl in my school, yet shes not in any of the photos i took on my last day, that doesnt mean she wasnt there does it!!!
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

also special forces personel who are currently active always remain anonymous ,and does not mean to say that women do not get considerd , ive just past selection to train for the uk parachute regiment and i can tell everyone here now that women play a huge roll in their countries defence