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Originally posted by crtChunk72:
I've always liked how Brits use "holiday" instead of "vacation"... makes it seem like more fun!

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No crt we dont use Holiday instead of vacation, its u guys who use Vacation instead of Holiday, get it right

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

So, do the Brits differentiate between taking a "vacation" and being off work for a real "holiday"? Or are they both "holidays"?

EDIT: Based on my previous statements, I know "vacations" are "holidays", but are "holidays" also "holidays"?

Yep holidays are holidays, weather away from home or just off work its still holiday

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is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

I'm allowed to call him a Pom Kimi cause, well... I'm an Aussie.

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Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Thank u Gav

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NP. Someone has to be the English teacher round here - gotta keep the standards up, right?

And Digger, it's not "close enough" at all. Scots (only one T, since we're correcting stuff in this thread!) get very offended if people imply they're little different from the English. And the English don't tend to like it much either...!

So watch it! Or I'll start calling you a Kiwi insteada an Oz...

It occured to me last night (not sure why not before but anyway) that traditionally women not being in comabt had nothing to do with there ability.
The men went to war and the women stayed at home and this has always been because men cannot carry children or give birth.
In the past it was extremly important that the child bearers remain in the safety of the home so they could carry on producing regardless of the outcome of the war, lets be fair a women can conceive by any man but a man cannot carry a child.

Now things have changed a great deal, women remaining home to have babies is no longer such a desparate need with populations being so high etc.
That means women can be spared in war as easily as men. Eventually there will be many more women in the armed forces in he same way we have seen changes in all other society throughout the ages.
Just my thoughts

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

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Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
The men went to war and the women stayed at home and this has always been because men cannot carry children or give birth.

Now things have changed a great deal...

Just my thoughts

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They have? Man, I should've paid more attention in biology class at school... Well, that's not true. I paid the teacher plenty attention - she was young and gorgeous! Perhaps I ought to have listened to what she was saying a little more closely though... I thought that whole "junior" thing was just a film? But it's real???

Hahahahaha... Sorry, klean, couldn't resist. If you want a serious comment from me, then I'd say that that's not the reason that men went to war and women stayed at home. I think the reason it was like this was because war was "man's work", and women shouldn't be a part of it. With a lot more sex equality now, you're right: there's lots more women in the military than there used to be, and the numbers are gonna go up further, not down.

As for being allowed to serve in front-line units, I think eventually it will be accepted. But perhaps not for a while yet.

Personally I see no problem with it. Despite all the arguements here, for and against, I think that if a woman can meet the standard required, then she should be given the same shot as the men. If that's front-line service with the SAS, then God help any AQT/Iraqi/whoever else we're fighting at the time who's foolish enough to go to war on a day when she has PMT...!

Let's be honest: we should line up all the nation's pregnant women on the battlefield - their mood-swings'll be more scary than the men they're replacing...

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Originally posted by Gav80:
Let's be honest: we should line up all the nation's pregnant women on the battlefield - their mood-swings'll be more scary than the men they're replacing...

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

In a sense yeah it's scary, but then again, you still have to deal with that male soldier who's paranoid as hell. He's just as likely to lock and load at the wrong place due to shadows in the dark. Regardless of gender on this one, when you carry 210 rounds (or more) everyday, everybody tends to be just a little weary of the guy/girl next to you. Though yeah, a woman on PMS...... no, not a good thought..

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I hope we all ahve learned to research before talking.
The reasoon women are not allowed on combat is because they would be more likely to stop and not press on if one of the others dies or is mortally wounded. But with proper training anything can be overcome, it's just a matter of time. Plus with allowing women in combat they would also have to register for the draft just like men do at age 18.

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That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
Said, When he saw the fashion of the shaft,
'With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
Are we now smitten.'"
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Originally posted by baller59-2:
I hope we all ahve learned to research before talking.
The reasoon women are not allowed on combat is because they would be more likely to stop and not press on if one of the others dies or is mortally wounded. But with proper training anything can be overcome, it's just a matter of time. Plus with allowing women in combat they would also have to register for the draft just like men do at age 18.

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I disagree, women are very capable of SWITCHING off when needed to. Im sure you will find a long list of reasons why women have not been taken into military service in the past (none based in fact IMO), as u would also see why black people were not allowed.
The funny thing is how war so often changes the mind of the arrogent/ sexiest white guy at the top lol

At the end of the day weather it be a tradition back to the stone age or a rule enforced later you wont find a reason that cannot be disproven in one way shape or form in todays life, Things change even if you men dont want to admit it

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I hope we all ahve learned to research before talking.
The reasoon women are not allowed on combat is because they would be more likely to stop and not press on if one of the others dies or is mortally wounded. But with proper training anything can be overcome, it's just a matter of time. Plus with allowing women in combat they would also have to register for the draft just like men do at age 18.

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Dude, just get a life. Some of us actually depend on either gender to make it through the day. Whether it's a male or female pulling trigger, I don't care, but as long as they can do the job, that's what matters.

Plus I know one guy in my unit who was restricted off of patrols because he fainted when he saw blood. So there goes that theory that women will choke up in battle.

As for the draft? And? Dude, the US Army is pretty much a volunteer, professional army. If Ms. Jane don't want to carry a weapon, or whatever job she does qualify for, then she doesn't have to. So right now there is no need for a draft when there are still plenty of volunteers.

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[This message was edited by Flanker562 on Wed June 02 2004 at 06:35 AM.]

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Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
The funny thing is how war so often changes the mind of the arrogent/ sexiest white guy at the top lol

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You find them sexy??

Especially the fat bald ones

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Originally posted by crtChunk72:

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Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
The funny thing is how war so often changes the mind of the arrogent/ sexiest white guy at the top lol

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You find them sexy??

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DAMN wheres that bloody dictionary when u need it

You know what i meant, at least it gave u a giggle lol

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Originally posted by Agent Green:
I fail to understand what makes you so certain that there aren't women doing the things portrayed in the game. Women aren't openly welcomed into Special Forces but exceptions have been made.

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What kind of "exceptions" are you talking about?

It's not that women are "advised" to stay out of SF. Women are prohibited from being in any "Combat Arms" MOS. No female tankers, No female Combat Engineers, No female artillerymen, No female infantrymen, No female Rangers or Fem SF.

I don't think "women in combat" will ever be acceptable nor should it. The biggest campaign to allow women in combat roles occurred during the cold war when no overt combat was going on. All of the Feminist activists were talking about "push button war" and saying women can push buttons as well as any man. Well, these days everyone can clearly see how STUPID that argument truly is. War is an ugly business. It's stressful, demanding, and physical.

If the United States could get a standing army of men that could run ten miles in 3 minutes carrying 300lbs on their backs, then they should make that the minimum standard. We need a strong army.

Lets Universalize it...

What if the whole Army were comprised of Men?
Oh, well we did that and were quite sucessful.

Ok, What if the Whole Army were comprised of Women?

I think we'd be facing east 5 times a day by now.

So what makes anyone believe that some magic ratio makes a strong army? The army was weakened with women being admitted into the general commands.

Here are a couple of good books on the topic...

"The Weak Link: The Feminization of the American Military"... this is out of print, might be found in a library but no book store.

"Women in the Military: Flirting With Disaster" by Brian Mitchell

Incidently, this Mitchell guy has taken a lot of heat over this book. He's lost jobs, and the first book was quickly taken off shelves. I first heard of "weak link" in the Army Times in 1987. By the time I was back in-country it was gone... Lots of feminists were upset

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the isrealis tried out a female division of some sort (i think against libya but im not sure) and they were swiftly crushed.
The military has been doing well in all this time, so why change something thats working???



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