The original AA for the PC was heavenly. At that time it was one of the better graphics game I'd ever played and also one of the most realistic. Multiplayer never got boring with that game and the only reason I've stopped playing is because of the next-gen system. When I heard of AATS coming out, about 2 months ago, I was pumped to get my hands on it. I figured they'd amp up everything from the original and it'd be as good as halo3 and COD4. If this demo is ANYTHING like the game itself, boy was I wrong. The graphics... not-so-great for next gen. The gameplay... eh, kind of fun but once you get to the otherside, it's not hard to camp and spawn kill. The red dots on enemies (although it can be turned off), is the stupidest thing in the world, reminds me of the old cabela's hunting games. The red dot is what ruined battlefield 2 MC IMO.
What bothers me the most though, is that this game is nearly an exact replica of GRAW and GRAW2. Now I know they're both made by Ubisoft, but come on, it's like reselling an old game with a new name. There's maybe 2 or 3 new features on this game that aren't in GRAW. I was really hoping for a realistic shooter to go along with the more "arcade-like" COD4, but after playing the demo for AATS and the beta for COD4, COD4's gameplay, graphics, and multiplayer experience are all above AATS.
Maybe the final version of AATS won't be as bad as the demo, but right now, it's a dissapointment in my books

Play "True Soldier" mode with no respawns.. Respawning really just doesn't work in a game like this, and yeah the red dots don't really belong.

I disagree that it's the same as GRAW. For one thing, the map in the demo is a lot more open and there's far more cover. Team communication is much more limited, and it's way harder to get kills. You can't shoot from the hip with anywhere near the same kind of accuracy.

COD4 in "hardcore" mode looks promising as well..But if you're looking for a game that is built around real military tactics I don't think there's a better option out there.

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The red dot is what ruined battlefield 2 MC IMO.

I agree 100%

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COD4's gameplay, graphics, and multiplayer experience are all above AATS

I disagree 66%

Gameplay and multi-player are FAR better on AA:TS. Unless you like running 75mph, jumping 60ft off a building, while reloading, and throwing a grenade, in your military simulations...

I agree 33%

Graphics are obviously WAY better on COD4. Was anyone seriously expecting them not to be? COD4 is the "Halo3" of military shooters, yes the graphics/polish will be better when you are running on such a budget.

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I disagree that it's the same as GRAW.

Now that I have some time behind it, I would be lying if I said it felt like GRAW2. The game feels like an entirely different experience.

I think the whole game needs a complete make over. Even the controls are difficult to use. It's a pain just to put your rifle in burst mode. I could go on and on. Rise of a Soldier kept it easy. (Kept it original) I was very excited about this game coming out. After trying the demo, I was highly disappointed. Too many game modes for a tactical shooter. I thought this game was going to seperate itself from Call of Duty, Moh allied assault, ect. I was hoping True Soldiers was going to be similar to the AA pc version. It's way off. Everyone that I have talked to said they'd rather stick with ROAS (Rise of a Soldier)despite all the gliching and modders or get Call of Duty 4. Do you think the community of the AA pc version would rather play True Soilders than the existing pc title? I don't think so! If True soldiers was like the pc version more people would be willing to pay $60 for the game. I would even go as far to say that a lot of the pc players would switch over to the XBox 360. I guess Redstorm was trying to appeal to a whole different audience. I thank Redstorm for trying, but I think they tried to hard.

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Everyone that I have talked to said they'd rather stick with ROAS (Rise of a Soldier)despite all the gliching and modders or get Call of Duty 4.

I never played ROAS, because I never had the original xbox. COD4 is not an option when it comes to realistic tactics.

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I never played ROAS, because I never had the original xbox. COD4 is not an option when it comes to realistic tactics.

ROAS is backward compatible with the 360! You said COD4 is not an option when it comes to realistic tactics, than what do have to say about AA True Soldiers. You call True Soldiers realistic? Try the pc version, than you will know what realistic is!

I haven't played "true soldier" mode so I have no comment on that.

I was never comparing the maps to that of GRAW, I usually never look at maps when it comes to choosing which game is better. So far I think it's easier to get kills in AATS than in GRAW2, it takes about one shot and the person goes down and rolls around for about 5 minutes, just keep watching him until his buddy comes along to heal him, cap his buddy as well and before you know it you have 5 kills rolling around in front of you

In COD4 you don't run faster than normal, that part is realistic. If you jump off high buildings in COD4 you sustain damage or die. Jumping from a 60ft building, which was one of the bonus things in the beta, will indeed kill you. You don't have superhuman strength. The unrealistic part of COD is the shield type thing that can recharge if you take cover. There's even these special 'perks' in COD that you can have that let you shoot through walls and carry extra ammo, none of which are really unrealistic.

Have any of the COD4 haters on this board played the COD4 beta? It really isn't that unrealisitc of a game, and the snipers get ghillie! You can't beat ghillie!

Oh, and AATS is very similar to GRAW. The button layout: reloading, rof, weapon changing, etc; matchmaking; way of healing (dragging is new though ); the little map after you die is even the same. It seriously looks like a remodeled version of GRAW/GRAW 2.

I'm not saying it's a terrible game, I've kind of enjoyed the demo, I'm just saying it's an uneccessary game that doesn't seem worth 60$. I'm just dissapointed overall with the outcome after all the hype I had for it.

I agree IIKoazkII 100%. Of the 2 games I would have to say COD4 is more realistic. Both have unrealistic traits. Yeah you can take cover and automatically heal in COD4, but who gets shot in the head and can be healed and rejoin the fight as its done on True Soldiers! I never thought I would say COD4 is more realistic over True Solders, The Official US Army game! By the way, Whats up with no weapons class, what fire team goes with all snipers or the same weapons for that matter! True Soldiers almost seems arcadish! Please port over the Pc version to the xbox 360 = more sales

Is AATS on the pc good? I haven't gotten a chance to play it

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You said COD4 is not an option when it comes to realistic tactics, than what do have to say about AA True Soldiers.

It is more realistic.

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Try the pc version, than you will know what realistic is!

If I had a Windows PC for gaming I might, but keep in mind I never said or thought the AA: TS was more realistic when compared to the PC version.

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I think it's easier to get kills in AATS than in GRAW2

But,

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I haven't played "true soldier" mode so I have no comment on that.

I agree with you then, the game is easier to get kills with the red icons, too easy, which is why I only tried it about two times and now host my own games with True Soldier always on.

Also, one of the developers mentioned the stats for Marksman are maxed out on the demo.

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In COD4 you don't run faster than normal, that part is realistic.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I absolutely disagree with this statement. "Hardcore" mode may be different, but I that wasn't in the Beta so I don't know, and won't speculate.

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There's even these special 'perks' in COD that you can have that let you shoot through walls and carry extra ammo, none of which are really unrealistic.

I disagree. Some of the perks alone are unrealistic. Changing them on the fly while in a match (Which you could do on the Beta) is joke when it comes to realism.

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Have any of the COD4 haters on this board played the COD4 beta?...

Yes, I got the Beta on the first wave through signing up at the right time and being a member of the forum.

No I don't hate it. I think it is an amazing game for an arcade-like experience. I think Infinity Ward has done a great job on the game and I don't see much they could do to make that type of game better - based on my beta play. The intensity is awesome, as well as the graphics/frame-rate and overall speed of the game.

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...It really isn't that unrealisitc of a game

Just because I like those things doesn't change the fact I think COD4 less realistic and less tactical.

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You can't beat ghillie

The ghillie does rule.

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The button layout: reloading, rof, weapon changing, etc; matchmaking; way of healing (dragging is new though Thumbs Up); the little map after you die is even the same.

True, but as I said before, I would be lying if said the game doesn't feel completely different after playing it for awhile.

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I'm just saying it's an uneccessary game that doesn't seem worth 60$.

A valid opinion, similar to how I feel about COD4 with it's supposedly "super-short" campaign. But I'm still waiting for reviews to decide.

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I'm just dissapointed overall with the outcome after all the hype I had for it.

Understandable. If you don't like/want the game don't buy it. Just have fun and enjoy yoursel, just remember it is possible to like COD4 and AA:TS and Halo and whatever other game.
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Is AATS on the pc good? I haven't gotten a chance to play it

It's not on PC..It's an Xbox 360 exclusive.

www.americasarmy.com and you will find the game. The download is free and is the most realistic military game you can play. They update it all the time. It makes True soilders look like an arcade game!
Someone please tell me why you think AA True soldiers is so realistic? True soilders mode is better than the other gameplay modes, but what about sounds, player movement ect... no forced weapons class. I know im wasting my time and I will move on. I was so hyped for 3 months waiting for the release of this game and now I'm venting my disappointment.

i didnt play the COD4 beta,but i have read alot about it,and played the last 2 games(COD 2 probably more relevent).

i also plan on buying COD4 and im really excited about it.

but if we're talking realism...

even the COD4 dev's were talking about how realism wasnt a big priority in COD4(paraphrasing)...although more so in hardcore mode,which wasnt in the beta anyway.but pretty much on par with COD2,aside from hardcore mode.

i know the weapon accuracy,handling,and movement in TS are some of the most realistic ive seen,in years anyway.i was worried about everyone being able to choose what ever class/weapon they wanted(thought the fireteams would be set,1 sniper,1 rifleman,etc,etc).but the weapons are so realistic,that i think it will just make sense to have a balanced team ...without being forced into doing so.

some issue's with damage/kills need to be worked out,but other than that i'd say its very realistic.

COD4's hardcore mode may give it a run for its money in terms of realism,but im skeptical.i would be shocked if its default settings came anywhere near TS in terms of realism.

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Someone please tell me why you think AA True soldiers is so realistic?

I don't think a game or simulation can be totally realistic. My opinion is that AA:TS is the most realistic game I've played on the 360. GRAW2 comes in second.

I am trying to write a 25 page paper right now and probably shouldn't have got in this discussion today, so I have to type fast.

Basically, AA provides a take on teamwork methodology that no other game on 360 has done for me. If you don't work as a team, the outcome is affected so much, it isn't worth playing. The specific details of why/how the game does this relates to all the little things they did with the game. I would suggest reading the interviews and previews to understand these things in depth.

Here is a short list:

*Encouraging Standard Operating Procedures to deal with situations
*Roles and communication/relations between squads/leaders (proximity vs radio chat and ability to chat/not chat with certain people at certain times)
*No solo modes in the game
*Play/Lead/Recruit system - Respect/honor tokens and ability for squad leaders to rank soldiers based on real performance on field VS computerized ranking encourages teaching and mentoring VS's "teabagging" and "pwnning"
*Experience/training/gear choice is directly related to how a character turns out and performs offline and online

I can post some more, but right now I really got to get this HW done. Plus, I want to play a little tonight at some point...

Sorry you are disappointed. I think it is common for anyone coming from a PC game to be less than happy with the consoles though.

Well, I dont agree it is most realistic game on the 360 console so far. COD4 is about the same as True Soldiers IMO. They both have their unrealistic features. Roas (Rise of a Soldier) the first Americas Army console game seems more realistic to me and is backward compatable with the 360. Well im off to play ROAS.

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Originally posted by john_636:
Well, I do agree it is most realistic game on the 360 console so far. Roas (Rise of a Soldier) the first Americas Army console game seems more realistic to me and is backward compatable with the 360. Well im off to play ROAS.

I think it's the best thing we have until OFP2, ARMA2, and rouge warrior come out.

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Originally posted by IIKozakII:
The original AA for the PC was heavenly. At that time it was one of the better graphics game I'd ever played and also one of the most realistic. Multiplayer never got boring with that game and the only reason I've stopped playing is because of the next-gen system. When I heard of AATS coming out, about 2 months ago, I was pumped to get my hands on it. I figured they'd amp up everything from the original and it'd be as good as halo3 and COD4. If this demo is ANYTHING like the game itself, boy was I wrong...it's a dissapointment in my books

What do you know about AA? Granted you played the free version on PC years ago but have you played the Xbox's America's Army Rise of A Soldier?

If you liked those two in which obviously the PC version you are fond of, then you should have some inclination of what to expect for the one coming out in the next week. If you have not I suggest you rent America's Army Rise of a Soldier.

If you are expecting Halo or COD4 then you might want to save some money.

FYI, the PC version's graphics are no better than the console's to say the least. The console version of this game is far superior.

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FYI, the PC version's graphics are no better than the console's to say the least. The console version of this game is far superior.

LoL, Your right about the graphics! The console version is far superior? I hope your not talking about game play and the realistic features the pc version offers. AA pc version if far superior when it comes to realism. True Soldiers is a joke. Telling this gentleman to rent ROAS and he will know what to expect from True Soldiers, there is no comparison! ROAS is way better. As for True Soldiers, I will rent this game and give it a second chance, but so far its no different then COD4. COD4 has hardcore mode that compares to True Soldiers mode. At least COD4 weapons sound real and look real. I prefer AA titles over any other game but when it comes to AA True Soldiers, I have to say this game is horrible!

Yea I was talking about the graphics. But now come to think of it, I honestly think that Rise Of A Soldier on the Xbox is superior to the PC version.

From the look and feel of the demo right now I think ROAS is better. OF course we have the real version of TS up coming next week and finally make the decision as a whole comparison.

If anything comes out of this, I support our military and the troops especially so that may be enough justification for me to buy this game. Plus I am an avid shooter fan of course and avid gamer. Why the heck not.

I played both versions of ROAS, both PC and xbox. I still have the xbox version in the other room, I liked them equally the same. From the demo though, which is a final build of the game (it's not a beta), TS is worse than ROAS. It could be because I'm not a hardcore military man, in fact I'd probably rather die than join the army because of the corruption of our government. I just like modern war games with realistic guns that I can shoot realistic looking people with while enjoying the nice graphics of the environment around me and the realistic sounds that come from the gun, all of which COD4 provides. I could care less about hardcore mode right now, I'm talking multiplayer here, where you can communicate and work with real live people to strategize and win a game.