I used to play all the old RS games, but have since not had access to them and I'm looking to get one or two. I used to always play co-op terrorist hunts in RS and RS3 since those were my favorites, but since times have changed I'm assuming the players have moved around from game to game since then.

Which RS game are most players going to for terrorist hunt?

I hope I'm not out of line for saying this but, I think VEGAS is the king of all first person shooters therefore automatically making it the best rainbow six game by default.
this game is the most explosive, action packed, and intense game in existence. only gears of war and the call of duty games come close to this but even they fall short when it comes to intensity and explosiveness.
trust me, co-op, competitive, and single player this game is top notch on all tree aspects, not one aspect of it is better than the other, its so good I wish I was playing it right now which as a matter of fact I think I will.
hope that helps. good bye, good luck, gotta blast me some terrorists now.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
I hope I'm not out of line for saying this but, I think VEGAS is the king of all first person shooters therefore automatically making it the best rainbow six game by default.
this game is the most explosive, action packed, and intense game in existence. only gears of war and the call of duty games come close to this but even they fall short when it comes to intensity and explosiveness.
trust me, co-op, competitive, and single player this game is top notch on all tree aspects, not one aspect of it is better than the other, its so good I wish I was playing it right now which as a matter of fact I think I will.
hope that helps. good bye, good luck, gotta blast me some terrorists now.

You have not played the first R6 or Rogue Spear then.

You might be able to find Rogue Spear games via GameSpy Arcade or XFire but MS's The Zone and MPlayer (bought by GameSpy no less) are not available to find games through anymore.

you're right I haven't but let me ask you this, have you played vegas? that thing is AWESOME!!
again I hope I'm not out of line here but I dont think any other first person shooter in existence can touch vegas, not even Rogue Spear, I dont know you can keep throwing any other rainbow games you want at me, in my humble opinion they all bow down to vegas' explosiveness and intensity and in every gameplay aspect (single and multiplayer).
I apologize if I seem rude but I just dont see how any other shooter could get it done any better than this.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
you're right I haven't but let me ask you this, have you played vegas? that thing is AWESOME!!
again I hope I'm not out of line here but I dont think any other first person shooter in existence can touch vegas, not even Rogue Spear, I dont know you can keep throwing any other rainbow games you want at me, in my humble opinion they all bow down to vegas' explosiveness and intensity and in every gameplay aspect (single and multiplayer).
I apologize if I seem rude but I just dont see how any other shooter could get it done any better than this.

Yes, I have played Vegas, and I'm pretty certain Knight has as well based off his first response and my reaction to your errogant posts. If I wanted to hear "Vegas has the best multiplayer" I would've gone to the Vegas mode, but it really isn't. It's based off the Unreal 3 Engine, which is sluggish in nature. Although it produces beautiful graphics, it is unable to compare to the gameplay of previous R6 games.

R6 used to be about the tactical realism. Games like Lockdown and Vegas downgrade the game to a newb shooter. It doesn't matter what gun I use in Vegas, I can use the loudest guns in the game even if they say "we need to move in silent" and nothing happens if I go in running and gunning. That's a joke. I want to be able to sense the danger, the urgency, and the real needs.

That is what Vegas lacks.

The terrorist hunt essentially boils down to: "Lets stay at the start, shoot this guy, and all the rest will be right behind him." Even if you're quiet and smart, that's the result I've had almost every time. That's NOT Rainbow Six, that's Gears of War, Halo, and Quake Wars.

With Letdown, Vegas 1, and Vegas 2 Ubi tried to imitate Halo and Counter Strike, which is funny because CS was inspired by R6 and RS.

No I haven't played Vegas or Vegas 2. I haven't bought an R6 game since Ubi Montreal created Black Thorn for Rogue Spear and even managed to screw that up.

I cant believe you thought I was being arrogant, be that as it may however, Vegas is a RS game so its an eligible RS game to recomend and look, I only attempt to establish a foundation for a great game I think has the potential to be among the elite in first person shooters and yes why not even perhaps the best of them. I present this with facts, the single player portion has an incredible amount of awesome and intense firefights, in the form of very ingeniously designed set pieces which force you to be more strategic than you would have us believe, set pieces which by the way are oddly missing from just about every previous RS game, and any old RS game that had set pieces surely and most definetly didnt/couldnt match the intensity of those found in Vegas.
and how is Vegas a downgrade from the tactical older RS games? perhaps it would do you well to go back to Vegas and try to make progress without using any strategy at all, friend you will get blasted a thousand times before you make any significant progress if you're not using some sort of smart, well thought out strategy, you need to have your team mates move to strategic positions and you need to use surpresive fire, and flanking manouvers to a great effect if you want to close in on the enemy, thats great use of strategy, that completly invalidates your argument that vegas is not about strategy and more dumbed down for newbies, in fact I'd wager anybody getting into this for the first time will get gang-raped a hundred times before realizing they need to get tactical with this.
yes the terrorist hunt is a little forgiving in that stupid AI enemies just come at you and die in the same spot one after the other, but even that aspect of the game manages to deliver some serious intensity, considering how you can exploit the AI, not too bad in my opinion.
your dislike for anything Vegas has to offer is misplaced, and as a RS fan I'm both surprised and I'm concerned for you because your judgement has become clouded by your biased perception of what RS should be and what it actually is, you need to let go a little of the old RS games if you are to enjoy Vegas a little more, the old RS games they were awesome, they are awesome, but so are the new ones, flawed in some aspects, but the tangible amount of awesomeness they offer far outwieght those flaws.
if you can still brign yourself to argue with that, I'm afraid we're just going to have to agree to disagree. good luck.

I NEVER had a firefight playing through Rainbow Six and Eagle Watch.

Understand something newb, the moment you said you never played an RS game before Vegas you lost my respect and your inability to write a threshed out post merely reaffirms my belief that you don't realize how disillusioned you are. Now I need to go through and splice your post my own way because your 458 words of rambling wouldn't make sense any other way. And trust me, it's rambling because everything you state is easily refutable. Your lack of organization shows that you are merely hoping I won't pick apart your post and tell you that you're wrong and also establishes your immaturity; however, I'll play your little game simply because I'm bored and have nothing better to do for the next week and a half.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
I cant believe you thought I was being arrogant, be that as it may however, Vegas is a RS game so its an eligible RS game to recomend

You're in the wrong place, Zechsz, look at the name of this forum. It's Legacy, there's a specific forum for bashing Vegas and Vegas 2, and I've already visited that enough times to see how bad a game most of the classic players see it as.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
and look, I only attempt to establish a foundation for a great game I think has the potential to be among the elite in first person shooters and yes why not even perhaps the best of them.

Vegas is merely the foundation for a good game that clones the atmosphere of "24". It's not anywhere near the cream of the crop because throughout that entire plot, I never once cried or felt any emotional attachment to any of the characters. The fact of the matter is, Logan Keller's wife could've been taken hostage and I would've cared less, because all he's been developed to be is an insensitive military man.

The Gears of War series is a good series. That has characters with deep backgrounds whereas Vegas merely had disposable pawns made up by Ubisoft with the exception to Chavez who is the only character in that game I have any respect for and that's merely because he's the successor to John Clark, which you wouldn't have known unless you played the previous games.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
I present this with facts, the single player portion has an incredible amount of awesome and intense firefights, in the form of very ingeniously designed set pieces which force you to be more strategic than you would have us believe, set pieces which by the way are oddly missing from just about every previous RS game, and any old RS game that had set pieces surely and most definetly didnt/couldnt match the intensity of those found in Vegas.

Rainbow Six isn't about the action, intense, firefights. Rule #1 of RAINBOW. Go silent, go strong. You hit them without them knowing, the moment you fly a helicopter into the middle of a firefight, is the moment you're doing something wrong. About the only thing that Vegas has over RS games would be the advanced trigger system that is integrated into the Unreal 3 Engine. How about this, you go to a gun range and fire a Desert Eagle with one hand from behind a barrier and tell me you still have your wrist fully intact, then we'll see how realistic Vegas is.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
and how is Vegas a downgrade from the tactical older RS games? perhaps it would do you well to go back to Vegas and try to make progress without using any strategy at all, friend you will get blasted a thousand times before you make any significant progress if you're not using some sort of smart, well thought out strategy, you need to have your team mates move to strategic positions and you need to use surpresive fire, and flanking manouvers to a great effect if you want to close in on the enemy, thats great use of strategy, that completly invalidates your argument that vegas is not about strategy and more dumbed down for newbies, in fact I'd wager anybody getting into this for the first time will get gang-raped a hundred times before realizing they need to get tactical with this.

The AI are merely pawns to get to a goal, you don't even have to worry about them dying. I find it ironic that you tell me it's impossible to beat the game if I don't use any strategy at all, but that's exactly what I did the first time through in oh... one evening because that's all it really takes to beat the game. The fact of the matter is, my AI team mates are expendable because while they're playing decoy, I take out the enemies and then revive them when all is said and done. It's a great strategy because the AI take more damage than the player ever could in short time spans.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
yes the terrorist hunt is a little forgiving in that stupid AI enemies just come at you and die in the same spot one after the other, but even that aspect of the game manages to deliver some serious intensity, considering how you can exploit the AI, not too bad in my opinion.

It's pathetic that you're able to forgive Ubisoft for the blunder they call Terrorist Hunt. The real creators were able to get it right, and all of a sudden they make this exploitable AI system. That's not forgivable, because it's clear they knew the code they needed. To top things off, the actual game plays exactly the same way... with a bunch of AI just opening fire in a room and running toward you. It's like a B-rate movie where the bad guys always die.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
your dislike for anything Vegas has to offer is misplaced, and as a RS fan I'm both surprised and I'm concerned for you because your judgement has become clouded by your biased perception of what RS should be and what it actually is, you need to let go a little of the old RS games if you are to enjoy Vegas a little more,

No, it's the right place because I'm in the Legacy forum, you invaded the Legacy forum. I still own every RS game that has been released, and have checked the stats on RSV and RSV2... the games are dead. How can you call yourself an RS fan? You've never even touched a legacy game. You can't even begin to understand the history of RS if you don't know where to start. It's like calling yourself a "24" fan, but only watching season 6.

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Originally posted by Zechsz:
the old RS games they were awesome, they are awesome, but so are the new ones, flawed in some aspects, but the tangible amount of awesomeness they offer far outwieght those flaws.
if you can still brign yourself to argue with that, I'm afraid we're just going to have to agree to disagree. good luck.

The old ones are better. They are real. I worried about my team mates in those. I planned my weapons carefully as well as my waypoints. Never once did I ever have my AI run into the room just because I knew they took more damage and had better aim than me. Everything in those games are better, and that's why I'm on a Legacy forum. Just browsing the Vegas forums, you should realize how bad the games really are in the greater scope of things.

I keep my nose where it belongs, and you really should too because a legacy forum is no place to brag about Vegas until it really is legacy game. However, by that time Ubisoft Montreal may finally released an RS game to be proud of and you'll have missed your calling.

I have to laugh. If Vegas or Vegas 2 were such great games, where are the awards for them? Last I looked, Rainbow Six won Game of the Year awards. Rogue Spear backed it up with solid gameplay. Everything Ubi has done is nowhere near the caliber of the first 2.

R6 and RS had characters that made you care about them. They weren't invincible and if they were KIA, they were KIA the whole campaign. They didn't magically reappear the next level.

Don't give me that "the game is tactical" garbage when you only have one path to go. That is linear gameplay and even Raven Shield wasn't linear. It is nothing more than a Doom/Halo clone in those regards.

Vegas and Vegas 2 do not meet the high standards set by the original game(s) by RSE and should not carry the title Rainbow Six anywhere.

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Listen to WK, he knows what he's talking about.
I think he's been playing RS games a little longer than I have been. (me since 1998...ok?)

Tactical-First-Person-Shooter means something to this community. Dynamic game play, open maps, non-linear go anywhere style play. No health packs, no regenerations if you hide from view. Straight tactical game play is all we want.
I have played Rs Vegas 1 and 2. And all the GR editions as well.
Latest games have more action than substance.
Very little tactical or stealth.

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Originally posted by KingKat2:
Listen to WK, he knows what he's talking about.
I think he's been playing RS games a little longer than I have been. (me since 1998...ok?)

Tactical-First-Person-Shooter means something to this community. Dynamic game play, open maps, non-linear go anywhere style play. No health packs, no regenerations if you hide from view. Straight tactical game play is all we want.
I have played Rs Vegas 1 and 2. And all the GR editions as well.
Latest games have more action than substance.
Very little tactical or stealth.

Actually, I started playing R6 in 2000 when I bought my first computer and that is why I bought a computer to begin with, just for Rainbow Six. Of course it spread to other TC games as they were released, until Raven Shield that is. Of course I play flight sims and naval sims (anyone notice a trend in what I play?) and the odd RTS, but the original TC games are why I got into PC gaming to begin with.

You cannot do any co-op missions online in Vegas 2 (correct me if I am wrong). It's just terrorist hunt -- terrorists who are just running around randomly.

In Raven Shield and in Rouge Spear, players could actually play missions online (like rescuing the hostages) or other objectives.

Agreed. If you think Vegas was amazing then you are missing out man. RS/EW single player was/is (I'm going through the campaign again as I type this) complete strategy and finesse. And the multiplayer? Completely insane. Way more fun, just as action packed, and more realistic. I dare say, it's people like you that ruined my RS franchise. They "haloized" it for you, what with the regenerating health and such. So in conclusion, thanks a lot... *points at Zechsz*

The R6 series up until letdown was about being a great PC game. Letdown and Vegas are nothing but crappy port overs of a console game. Health bars and linear play made just for the console kiddies who know nothing about tactical play.

Vegas was a pretty decent action shooter, to Ubisoft's credit. Unfortunately, it gets lost in the sea of decent action shooters out there.

Personally, it's all a matter of perspective. Raven Shield was a good shooter, especially when I needed my tactical fix. Vegas, on the other hand, was better when I just wanted a shoot 'em up.

Don't be so biased against Vegas. Sure, it's not the old Rainbow Six we all know and love, but it's not a bad game either.

I love both games, but I can understand the fanboy rage fueled by Ubisoft's decision to "consolize" the Tom Clancy series.

It’s all relative to what you like and don’t like. Doesn’t make a lick of difference if someone screams Vegas rocks and someone else hates it. Useless flame wars result…

For my money, MP gaming co-operatively, it did not get any better than Rogue Spear with the Cover Ops and Urban Operations expansion packs.

I can’t remember having as much fun in a shooter (tactical or otherwise) ad the many battles I had at the Emergency Room map. That just kicked arse (only thing that comes close is SWAT4).

yup, RS and RS: UO get my vote, as well.

I apparently forgot to mention my pick above, but I'm going with Mr. I'm Special.

I played straight up Rogue Spear coop on LAN with my two suitemates at college for several hours, and we had a blast.

It'll run on pretty much any PC out there, and it's still fun 10 years later!