This is a disappointment. So many games are geared now to the Xbox/Nintendo generation who can't roleplay if their lives depended on it. They need the instant gratification of blood and gore or they lose interest. Well, I guess, I can quit waiting for this game to come out.

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Originally posted by JediKnightMaya:
This is a disappointment. So many games are geared now to the Xbox/Nintendo generation who can't roleplay if their lives depended on it. They need the instant gratification of blood and gore or they lose interest. Well, I guess, I can quit waiting for this game to come out.

Well what's stopping you from finding a few mates and role playing? I'm sure on release there will be someone hosting an RP server or something...
Or are you talking in general about single player? I'm hoping the plot and dialogue don't end up like the Diablo games and more along the lines of Baldur's Gate.

No, actually I was hoping for a Might and Magic game similar to what it used to be and not Doom/Elder Scrolls remade. (Yes, I am that old and remember the storyline.)

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Originally posted by JediKnightMaya:
No, actually I was hoping for a Might and Magic game similar to what it used to be and not Doom/Elder Scrolls remade. (Yes, I am that old and remember the storyline.)

I wouldn't blame Arkane though, originally they were going to make Arx Fatalis 2 with this system, I believe. But then they were told to make a might and magic game. Who knows, maybe you'll like it. And maybe this will give them the cred they need to make a real might and magic afterwards.

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Originally posted by JediKnightMaya:
Well, I guess, I can quit waiting for this game to come out.

Good! The door is that way. Your loss is our gain, whiner.

Xbox generation my empennage! I'll never own a console. Doom? That game was completely the opposite anything Arkane does. You have no idea what Arx Fatalis and Dark Messiah are. I'll bet you didn't do the slightest research. You also clearly have no idea what a challenging game is. Try going though Thief: The Dark Project without ever being seen. Then you can talk to me about hard.

I can roleplay just fine. And I don't need silly dice, numbers, and papers to do it. I generally look down on turn based games; they're not for the greater minded as you are implying, but for those who lack the wit to make decisions in real time. You almost certainly wouldn't stand a chance against me in a real swordfight (and I'm wearing thumb splints on each hand!).

Well when Metroid Prime came out people said they weren't going to play it because it was going to be in first person perspective and they whinned and complained about it, but when the game came out they realised that it was better that way. The same happend when resident evil four came out but now people say that it is the best game in the series

Is change always bad? Maybe the series will be much, mcuh better and maybe it won't, but who knows until you played so I say stop complaining about it till it comes out

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Is change always bad? Maybe the series will be much, mcuh better and maybe it won't, but who knows until you played so I say stop complaining about it till it comes out

Also, this isn't really change. Since this is not a main M&M game, and games like this have been out before. (See: LoMM, CoMM)

While you are dissapointed that this isn't an M&M rpg this game might increase the chances that you'll get to see one soon. A M&M type of game hasn't been realeased in quite a while and I don't think ubi is willing to take the risk of releasing one now considering the rpg public ins't exactly big, this game and hommv are obviously an attempt to get the M&M franchise started up again. And when it is "popular" again they might consider pumping some cash in a new M&M rpg.

I just wanted to say again that a RPG-type M&M has been hinted at before, and will probably depend on the success of the [new]series.

To the topic starter:

Would you say that Ultima Underworld 1 & 2 were just lousy FPS games that ruined RPGs with their firts person action? How about Arx Fatalis?

Just because this game is first person does NOT mean it cannot be an engrossing CRPG.

For what it's worth, Ultima Underworld and Arx Fatalis are "more" of an RPG then most of the stuff they slap that genre label on nowadays. (such as NWN and Fable)

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Originally posted by Justice:
The problem is simply the name... why call it Might and Magic and cheat thousands into buying it because they don't know it has nothing to do with Might and Magic, except the name.

because I'd say it's your fault for not reading the box before buying it. I ALWAYS read a game's box before buying it, regardless of how long I've been waiting for the game.

I see nothing wrong with the approach they're taking. At least they aren't pulling an Everquest, and making a bland and boring game until you've invested a considerable amount of time and effort in.

I think they're doing a great job.

- and with my previous statement, I meant that in the most non-offensive way as possible. I wasn't meaning to sound as if I was striking at you personally (for any reason at all) I was merely stating my perspective, and what I do.

I respect your feelings completely, as you're a fellow gamer as well

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Originally posted by oxlar:
Why is it that all the game companies today have to take classic RPG games and ruin them with FPS. Why cant we just have the good ole RPGs of yester yore. Those are the games that we always talk about for years and years, not these crappy action versions. Why does every game company have to screw with this? Why keep trying to re-invent the wheel? Its obvious what people want, cant you just give it to them? Look at the polls, traditional RPGs man. Thats what M&M is all about.

Why not just go away and never pay attention to this game again? It's not like they are not mking any MM games anymore.

This game sounds awesome, I love the FPS/RPG elements combined into one game. I can't wait!

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Originally posted by Darkfactor:
Would you say that Ultima Underworld 1 & 2 were just lousy FPS games that ruined RPGs with their firts person action? How about Arx Fatalis?

Just because this game is first person does NOT mean it cannot be an engrossing CRPG.

For what it's worth, Ultima Underworld and Arx Fatalis are "more" of an RPG then most of the stuff they slap that genre label on nowadays. (such as NWN and Fable)

Well said, friend! But I would not waste any more words on the doubters. For they shall either accept the good game, or not. Nothing we say will change aught on the matter. So be it.

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Originally posted by oxlar:
Why is it that all the game companies today have to take classic RPG games and ruin them with FPS. Why cant we just have the good ole RPGs of yester yore. Those are the games that we always talk about for years and years, not these crappy action versions. Why does every game company have to screw with this? Why keep trying to re-invent the wheel? Its obvious what people want, cant you just give it to them? Look at the polls, traditional RPGs man. Thats what M&M is all about.

Just dont think of it as an MM RPG but as an FPS in the MM universe.

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Originally posted by oxlar:
Why is it that all the game companies today have to take classic RPG games and ruin them with FPS. Why cant we just have the good ole RPGs of yester yore. Those are the games that we always talk about for years and years, not these crappy action versions. Why does every game company have to screw with this? Why keep trying to re-invent the wheel? Its obvious what people want, cant you just give it to them? Look at the polls, traditional RPGs man. Thats what M&M is all about.

all I can say is... get over it...


its hard to hear, but I've been taking that advice myself.. with the dumbing down of the elder scrolls series, and video games in general.

The new generation is the xbox add kiddie. THEY are the ones who the game developers listen to today and market to, not us older guys who have supported the games since the beginning. I have played every crpg you can think of.. they have always been my favorite games.


scream all you want, maybe I've just given up, because i've done my share of screaming. Hell I was even banned by a DEV on the elder scrolls forums just for argueing about how the new tes games are dumbed down. I will enjoy this game simply as an FPS, I see no reason why this game would ruin an rpg series, as they are seperate genres.

i like DMoMM

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Originally posted by pomimimin:
I don't mean to sound rude Secret, but i never said it wasn't a might and magic game, i said it wasn't a traditional might and magic game, (which i love), and that it could open up new chapters in the MM franchise.

I think basically you have your point, in which I have the same feeling too when i play for the first 2 chapters. I play MM since MM6 until now. I support your points as I think DM is not a traditional MM game where for me..it is quite disappointing.

Comparing to other previous MM:
1. DM is losing its adventurous sensation
2. It is quite a controlled game where it does not grant you an option to do quest whichever you like it to be.
3. It is linear or no turning-back game, you can't simply go back to find the thing that you miss out for example.
4. The story line isn't strong enough.
5. No much items and magics you can play with.
6. No much creature you can kills (massive kill)
7. Others

Well, the only good thing I can see here is the excellence of Ubisoft's art work on the intelligent of building the combat tactic and leveraging on the environment items to compliment it

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Originally posted by MM66:
Well, the only good thing I can see here is the excellence of Ubisoft's art work on the intelligent of building the combat tactic and leveraging on the environment items to compliment it

I'm sorry to announce you but Ubisoft has nothing to do with DM.
Ubisoft could have not made such a great masterpiece!
The company who developed DM is Arkane Studios.