Was wondering whether any human has been able to defeat the King engine in chessmaster 10?

how much more advanced is the AI in the 10th edition compared to 9000?

Hmmm. I beated chessmaster 10 but very unfairly. Chessmaster had 2 minutes and I had 2 days. I did not used any computers, but I used a lot of books. It was not a fair game, but I think that I learned from this game a lot. I had to studie and I had to think long and hard. You should try it. Its quite a fun.

Already have hehehe you can look at the game in the first thread Best games at the very top and at the bottom it has me vs. Chessmaster 9000 but not 10th Edition. I had about 30 minutes though and he had 1/min per game.

If anyone has beaten 9000, then they can also beat 10th ed, since 9000 played stronger then 10th on their highest level.

Sorry, I should have checked the date on that one.

Yes. An online player's father beat Chessmaster twice.

yes, His name was Larry Christiansen...

i would never beat chessmaster 10th edition, but i make them fite themselves for enemys to get a good game..leave em on overnite.
oh, and um....garry kasporov would pwn chessmaster
i really like chessmaster

so how can a GM lose to chessmaster, and humans beat Rybka and Fruit (joined forces)??? (not that i ever experimented with that.... )

errm christiaum won 1, lost like hck, drew normal chessmaster settings. kasparov=pwn ch10

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2006.9.30"]
[Round ""]
[White "c1arinetboy"]
[Black "Chessmaster"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft "]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.d4 g4 5.Bc4 gxf3 6.Qxf3 d5 7.Bxd5 Nf6 8.Bxf7+ Kxf7 9.e5 Nd5 10.O-O Kg8 11.Bxf4 Be6 12.Qg3+ Bg7
13.Bh6 Qe7 14.c4 Nb4 15.d5 N8c6 16.Nc3 Bxd5 17.cxd5 Nxe5 18.Rae1 Re8 19.Ne4 Ng6 20.Nf6+ Qxf6 21.Rxe8+ Kf7 22.Rxf6+ Bxf6 23.Rxh8
Nxh8 24.Qxc7+ Kg6 25.Be3 Nxd5 26.Qg3+ Kf7 27.Bxa7 Ng6 28.Qb3 Ke6 29.Qxb7 Nge7 30.Qb3 h5 31.Bf2 Be5 32.a4 Nc6 33.Qb5 Nce7 34.a5
Nc7 35.Qb6+ Kd7 36.a6 Ned5 37.Qb7 Ke6 38.a7 Bf4 39.b3 Be5 40.a8=Q Nxa8 41.Qxa8 Nf6 42.Qc6+ Kf5 43.b4 Ng4 44.h3 Nf6 45.b5 Kg6
46.b6 Kf5 47.b7 Ne4 48.Qb5 Nc3 49.Qxe5+ Kxe5 50.b8=Q+ Ke4 51.Qb4+ Kd3 52.Qd4+ Kc2 53.Kh2 Nd1 54.Qa4+ Kd2 55.Bd4 h4 56.g4 hxg3ep+
57.Kxg3 Nc3 58.Bxc3+ Kxc3 59.h4 Kb2 60.h5 Kc3 61.h6 Kb2 62.h7 Kc3 63.h8=Q+ Kd2 64.Qa2+ Ke3 65.Qc3+ Ke4 66.Qe6# 1-0

can you please annotate as much of this game as you possible feel like? the more the better... especially the two piece sacrifices in the beginning.. but if you could find the time to annotate everything, that would be great.

Great job, btw!!

I don't think chessmaster actually plays at 2940 like it says on my computer. The elo's of the computer players seem slightly inflated.

I know I play at nearly 2400 ELO, but I should be no match for Chessmaster, at 2940. However, I am 2-2 against CM so far. Unless my rating has magically risen, CM is weaker than 2940. He made clear, subtle mistakes in the games I beat him, however, the two I lost CM completely pounded me into the floor lol. So I'm not sure, maybe CM plays closer to 2700 and i've improved/got lucky.


However, the first time I beat Chessmaster it was clearly very confused. It actually popped up saying I had made a blunder. Chessmaster was oblivious to the long term effects of my move; I won easily. It was CM's blunder, not mine.


How do you record the game so others can watch? I have a screenshot I took of me beating shakespeare (2708). The game is over at this point, he can't get out of checkmate. It's quite beautiful actually 8)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8182/igmnowsa2.jpg

EDIT - COPY - PGN... and then you can paste it

CMX's rating is definitely inflated. I think at slower speeds Chessmaster would probably be more like 2600, around the strength of a strong grandmaster. However, CMX is much, much weaker in bullet games and faster blitz games. I'm not sure exactly where the transition occurs, but that is probably be what you're experiencing.

so the fact that you kicked CMs butt, does that mean your playing strength is GMs?

Lol, of course not! Just because I beat Chessmaster once or twice doesn't mean I could beat regularly.

True, Wikipedia says CM plays at about 2715, but that's assuming the engine has time to think things out properly.


It appears when you pressure CM on the clock it tends to make a blunder. However, if it doesn't blunder, the strength of CM is pretty obvious, and I wouldn't doubt it plays at 2700.

I wouldn't be able to beat it in a classic game. But then again almost noone would. I'm happy as it is with my 2-2 against it.

what i wouldn't do to have a rating in the 2000s.. man.. that would be wonderful... *sigh*

FIRST of all im orignially from tawian an island near china. i learned english, and i just type to fast and make too much spelling 'erors' (noticed how that is spelled wrong)
next, u can beat chessmaster, but out of a long term 50 games? another story. and um...CH10 rating is around 2750 in real official ratings.

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FIRST of all im orignially from tawian an island near china. i learned english, and i just type to fast and make too much spelling 'erors' (noticed how that is spelled wrong)

If you recognize that they are errors, typing too fast is no excuse. We have as much right to be annoyed at you for those errors as we would if you were American

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and um...CH10 rating is around 2750 in real official ratings.

Look, I've played against chessmaster many times, and even though I'm not at the engine's level, I can tell you it's nowhere near 2750 (what are these "real official ratings" anyway?). Chessmaster may be strong tactically, but it can be very weak positionally when you get it into the right position.

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next, u can beat chessmaster, but out of a long term 50 games? another story. and um...CH10 rating is around 2750 in real official ratings.

I'm going to experiment with this to see how powerful chessmaster is in the long run.

Chessmasters ELO probably is near 2750 in a classical match, due to it being a computing monster, with the extra time it wouldn't surprize me that it would find moves the human player cannot and foil any human attempts on it. The computer also won't miss a potential checkmate.


Chessmaster plays a very strong blitz, however, it is not blunder free, which is chessmasters problem. It is definitely a stronger player than me (2400~) but, it made a very big blunder I would not expect a human player to make in our second match. It was a very human oriented move, CM completely overlooked the checkmate and felt the move was OK because of a material advantage. Seems like CM started flipping through moves and simply saw the material advantage, and simply grabbed it because of pressure from the clock... and then after 10-20 more seconds of looking through moves realized it had just lost XD

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can you please annotate as much of this game as you possible feel like? the more the better... especially the two piece sacrifices in the beginning.. but if you could find the time to annotate everything, that would be great.

I did my best . I'm pretty tired, but I think it should be readable. Actually, now that I think about it, I forgot to explain those two sacrifices. I'll go do that now...

wow, thanks.. i appreciate that.. that was a fantastic game and it definitly deserves to be up there on the user game java viewer. and the annotation is a real help... i'm surprised chessmaster made some moves that it did.. but that shows that it was very confused by the attack it was facing.. it couldn't decide between position or material strategy and because of that it got burned. i know i have questions, but it's mostly about the subtle moves... and why the smallest move can make the biggest difference... i'll post them tomorrow, because i, too, am tired right now.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6373/wowcb6.jpg

Also goes to show chessmaster doesn't understand the clock XD

It didn't have to force a draw, but chessmaster didn't want to lose his position and give me the advantage, so I quickly abused that to force draw, even though CM could have easily won simply because of the clock ;o


We can also see some rating inflation there >.>

i have lean the chess of friend of mine i play versus him and it sucks but for it third game he has won chessmaster in a match about 2 HOUR.
arg
now he loves the chess ^^

I have defeated chessmaster more than 100 times. i also defeated all the grandmasters. however i could never defeat nardorf.

I defeated chessmaster. it said:

White wins!
Fantastic! This is your first victory against Chessmaster.
Oustanding victory against a much better rated opponent! Your solid play is not yet reflected by your rating - play on !
Game type: Dominated


[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "3-21-2008"]
[Round ""]
[White "Marco"]
[Black "Chessmaster"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft"]

1. e4 ... ;00:00
... d5 ;00:15 (Score: 0.32, Depth: 2/10)
2. exd5 ... ;00:21
... Nf6 ;00:21 (Score: 0.33, Depth: 1/6)
3. d4 ... ;00:49
... Qxd5 ;00:28 (Score: 0.35, Depth: 1/4)
4. Nc3 ... ;01:25
... Qe6+ ;00:33 (Score: 0.56, Depth: 1/3)
5. Nge2 ... ;02:59
... Nbd7 ;00:42 (Score: 0.48, Depth: 1/4)
6. d5 ... ;03:40
... Qb6 ;00:47 (Score: 0.18, Depth: 1/7)
7. Nd4 ... ;04:39
... g6 ;00:57 (Score: 0.45, Depth: 1/4)
8. Bb5 ... ;05:38
... a6 ;01:06 (Score: 0.27, Depth: 1/4)
9. Bxd7+ ... ;06:12
... Nxd7 ;01:13 (Score: -0.27, Depth: 1/5)
10. O-O ... ;07:32
... Bg7 ;01:23 (Score: -0.22, Depth: 1/5)
11. Nce2 ... ;08:01
... O-O ;01:26 (Score: -0.50, Depth: 1/3)
12. Bg5 ... ;08:52
... Qxb2 ;01:35 (Score: -1.00, Depth: 1/3)
13. Bxe7 ... ;09:36
... Re8 ;01:38 (Score: -1.16, Depth: 1/4)
14. Bg5 ... ;20:42
... h6 ;01:44 (Score: -1.18, Depth: 1/3)
15. Be3 ... ;21:29
... Nb6 ;01:59 (Score: -1.30, Depth: 1/4)
16. Qd3 ... ;22:01
... Bg4 ;02:25 (Score: -0.78, Depth: 1/4)
17. Nf4 ... ;22:36
... Qb4 ;02:36 (Score: -0.97, Depth: 1/3)
18. h3 ... ;23:12
... Bd7 ;02:46 (Score: -0.86, Depth: 1/3)
19. Rfb1 ... ;25:18
... Qc5 ;02:55 (Score: 0.34, Depth: 1/3)
20. Nde6 ... ;26:10
... Qc3 ;03:03 (Score: 0.66, Depth: 1/5)
21. Qxc3 ... ;27:50
... Bxc3 ;03:18 (Score: 1.06, Depth: 1/6)
22. Nxc7 ... ;28:38
... Bxa1 ;03:20 (Score: 1.06, Depth: 1/6)
23. Nxe8 ... ;31:25
... Rxe8 ;03:34 (Score: 0.87, Depth: 2/7)
24. Rxb6 ... ;34:22
... Bc8 ;03:42 (Score: 0.96, Depth: 1/4)
25. Nd3 ... ;44:57
... Bg7 ;03:46 (Score: 0.91, Depth: 1/3)
26. Nc5 ... ;46:07
... Be5 ;04:12 (Score: 1.59, Depth: 2/5)
27. Nxb7 ... ;47:12
... Bc7 ;04:17 (Score: 2.10, Depth: 2/7)
28. Rb3 ... ;49:57
... a5 ;04:24 (Score: 1.96, Depth: 1/3)
29. c4 ... ;50:25
... a4 ;04:29 (Score: 1.81, Depth: 1/3)
30. Rb4 ... ;51:13
... a3 ;04:32 (Score: 2.03, Depth: 1/3)
31. d6 ... ;51:57
... Bb8 ;04:40 (Score: 2.45, Depth: 1/4)
32. c5 ... ;52:25
... f5 ;05:29 (Score: 3.40, Depth: 2/5)
33. c6 ... ;53:31
... Bxb7 ;05:41 (Score: 4.94, Depth: 1/4)
34. d7 ... ;54:52
... Rd8 ;05:45 (Score: 5.02, Depth: 1/3)
35. Rxb7 ... ;56:02
... Be5 ;05:51 (Score: 10.60, Depth: 3/8)
36. Bb6 ... ;56:55
... Rf8 ;05:59 (Score: 10.60, Depth: 2/4)
37. c7 ... ;58:09
... Bxc7 ;06:08 (Score: 12.56, Depth: 2/5)
38. Rxc7 ... ;59:14
... Rd8 ;06:31 (Score: 12.59, Depth: 4/8)
39. Rc8 ... ;59:43
... Kf7 ;06:48 (Score: 12.58, Depth: 3/6)
40. Bxd8 ... ;01:00:28
... Ke6 ;06:57 (Score: 15.81, Depth: 4/6)
41. Rc7 ... ;01:00:49
... Kd6 ;07:03 (Score: 15.81, Depth: 3/4)
42. Ra7 ... ;01:01:20
... g5 ;08:37 (Score: Mate05, Depth: 10/12)
43. Ba5 ... ;01:01:33
... Ke5 ;08:41 (Score: Mate04, Depth: 8/10)
44. d8=Q ... ;01:01:36
... f4 ;08:51 (Score: Mate03, Depth: 6/11)
45. Bc3+ ... ;01:01:42
... Ke4 ;08:56 (Score: Mate02, Depth: 4/9)
46. Qd4+ ... ;01:01:51
... Kf5 ;08:59 (Score: Mate02, Depth: 4/9)
47. Ra5+ ... ;01:01:54
... Ke6 ;09:07 (Score: Mate03, Depth: 6/11)
48. Qb6+ ... ;01:01:58
... Kf7 ;09:08 (Score: Mate02, Depth: 4/9)
49. Ra7+ ... ;01:01:59
... Kg8 ;09:10 (Score: Mate01, Depth: 2/3)
50. Qd8# ... ;01:02:01
1-0


Domination percentage: 22%, starting from move 27
Opening used: Center Counter Game / Modern Variation
Best move: 42, Ra7, Increase: 3.28
Mate opportunities: 2
You controlled the game against the best opponent in Chessmaster 10th Edition, proving your playing strength. Congratulations ! If you never considered joining a chess club or playing in competitions, maybe it's time to do it now. You conquered Chessmaster 10th Edition, and this is not a simple achievement...

I think the original poster wanted to know if anyone has defeated Chessmaster in fair conditions, not a crippled-not-properly-working Chessmaster with huge time handicap.

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Originally posted by ebutaljib:
I think the original poster wanted to know if anyone has defeated Chessmaster in fair conditions, not a crippled-not-properly-working Chessmaster with huge time handicap.

Yeah, I saw the post and thought the same thing...

I had a certificate now!

"This certifies that you have successfully defeated Chessmaster in a rated game"