V3-Dev wrote:
- You are correct Wit. Questions have been raised
- about the state of our power grid going all the way
- back to the great Northeast blackout of 1965.
- Nevertheless, the most recent blackout did not occur
- under a Democratic controlled Congress.


*shurg*

Until ANY Congress actually DOES something about this, I think I'll just hold off pointing the finger at either political party and hold ALL in Congress responsible. Sound fair?



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Depends on who you ask I suppose. Nevertheless, at the moment there is no denying the fact that it is Republican majority that has been holding up legislation for the power grid upgrade.

I mean I could understand your argument if our worst fears did not become reality with the latest blackout, but since it is a foregone conclusion now don't you think our Republican legislators should put aside their special interests in order to get this bill passed?

After all, in a post 9-11 world this vulnerability should have been given priority and placed near the top of the list by our President as well as the leaders of Congress.

Ah Wit: I was just going to make that same observation. EVERY time anything of importance comes to the floor- SOMEONE of one party or the other will hold up or stagnate legislation simply because they want some piece of pork included in it. EVERY member, regardless if it is the Senate or the House engages in this. It is unbelieveable that supposedly intelligent people would do this, simply because they don't get their way, or they hate the one that brought forth the idea.

Way too much power these people have and they are so far out of touch with reality , how can we ever expect them to make rational, intelligeant decisions?

They are so insulated from the rest of us, it is incredible to me that they ever accomplish anything of real importance.
Every once inawhile they screw up and do something right.

Party affiliations should go right out the window,at least here where we try to discuss topics with a modicom of reason.

I bet everyone here can name at least one member of the House or Senate that we truly believe is responsible and truthful.

If we added them all up we would discover, to our everlasting amazement, that EVERY one of them are sterling examples of sincere, honest, representatives of the people.
But, if we ask the same people which ones are dishonest and just plain corrupt, the numbers would be much higher.

We are almost as much to blame for the crap that goes on in Washington as they are, well perhaps that is a slight overstatement, but the point is, nevertheless, valid.

Just an observation:


Leep Out:

Leep wrote:

- EVERY time anything of importance comes to the floor
- SOMEONE of one party or the other will hold up or
- stagnate legislation simply because they want some piece
- of pork included in it.

Well, thank you for stating the obvious Leep. However, as in many other instances, when the inclusion of pork barrel provisions holds up legislation as imperative as this it always raises concerns from the public, and rightfully so. After all, we are not talking about some Senator attempting to get federal funding for some chicken farm in his or her home state. This is about a wide ranging vulnerability that adversely affects almost every aspect of life here in the states, so satisfying special interests is the last thing certain members of Congress should be doing.

MisterNiceGuy wrote:
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- ScrubberManFSJ wrote:
-- Why not blow up a damn and nock power out for good,
-- as well as kill lots with water flood.
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-- Huh MR NICE GUY
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- Good idea, I'll pass it on to Osama.
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- Hmmmm....I wonder where were you the other day MNG?
Having a spot of Tea with Osama and giving him some tips?

....and try to sneak back, tippy-toe into the forum. ;





The beatings will stop when morale improves.

V3-Dev wrote:
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- After all, in a post 9-11 world this vulnerability
- should have been given priority and placed near the
- top of the list by our President as well as the
- leaders of Congress.

Yeah, but If the President would have come out and said we have to upgrade the power grid now,the Democrats would have had a field day. Probably saying thinks like "You have a post war problem and you are talking about power grids?"
"what really are you upto?"

I can see it now on the Front Page of The New York Times.


- BUSH IS MESSING WITH THE POWER

"Billions are needed for the Upgrade, our Troops are getting killed and Bush wants to waste money."

Let's be thankfull it wasnt much worse.


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The beatings will stop when morale improves.

Message Edited on 08/20/03 02:39PM by Hornet57

V3-Dev wrote:.
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- I mean the fact that they continue such behavior in
- the aftermath of the largest blackout in US history
- is totally confounding to many. Not to mention, one
- would think that post 9-11 our President and
- Congress would have given priority to such matters
- rather then allow special interests to prevent the
- passing of new legislation designed to tackle this
- problem.

Ok V3 If you are going to use the post 9-11, priorities, what about other priorities. Funds are drying up and more might be needed as for Homeland security. Which priority is best?

And what happens when you pick the "wrong" priority?
Just blame the Republicans again?

Democrats just cant unite with common sense. Oh I almost forgot.........its election year!


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The beatings will stop when morale improves.

Hornet57 wrote:

- Yeah, but If the President would have come out and
- said we have to take upgrade the power grid the
- Democrats would have had a field day. Probably
- saying thinks like "You have a post war problem and
- you are talking about power grids?"

Actually, the President has already come forward since the blackout publicly stating the power grid needs upgrading, and the Democratic response has simply been that the administration and their friends in Congress drop all the special provisions in the bill in order to swiftly pass and implement the legislation.

Besides Hornet, tax breaks to various power companies and drilling in the artic wildlife refuge for petroleum is the last thing that is going to prevent possible future power outages, and the sooner certain individuals in our government come to this realization, the better it will be for us all here in North America.

V3-Dev wrote:
- Hornet57 wrote:
-
-- Yeah, but If the President would have come out and
-- said we have to take upgrade the power grid the
-- Democrats would have had a field day. Probably
-- saying thinks like "You have a post war problem and
-- you are talking about power grids?"

Sorry my mistake I meant to write pre-blackout.
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- Besides Hornet, tax breaks to various power
- companies and drilling in the artic wildlife refuge
- for petroleum is the last thing that is going to
- prevent possible future power outages, and the
- sooner certain individuals in our government come to
- this realization, the better it will be for us all
- here in North America.


In the mean time many complain that we are going to Iraq for their oil. You just cant win.
Yesturday I caught the end of this report about windmill farms offshore to generate power out and there are the rich and famous that think it will be too unsightly since they will be able to see it through their highpowered binoculars.
Maybe if we can hang a nice powder blue curtain could solve the problem.







The beatings will stop when morale improves.

Message Edited on 08/20/03 03:04PM by Hornet57

V3, do you think a billion dollars a week would be enough to fix the power grid?




"The statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." - Mark Twain, 1917