So what is ubisofts logic, behind spending millions on aking exclusives for Ps3/360 and when there sales are disapointing and When the top selling exclusive ubisoft Game was a launch title, Redsteel on wii?

So how much money went into making Haze? I bet millions. AND how is it selling? Its hardly selling.

I see that the hardcore [gamers] install base on Ps3 is really buying ur work. NOT!

Ubisoft work is hardly selling. I think its time to realise that Wii is the only way to go.

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Ubisoft is not giving the Wii proper titles because they think that games for hardcore gamers wont sell. But the fact is that the ten top selling games for Wii are geared toward the hardcore gaming audience (not counting games that came packaged with the console or controller).

So Ubisoft decided, that they will realese shovelware games geared to the audience that is buying wiifit or wiiplay (but they didnt realise that wiiplay comes with a free controller), inorder to make money. This money will be spent on making expencive PS3/Xbox 360 games.

When the shovelware is realeased it doesnt sell. The chain is broken, no money for expenseive 360/ps3 games.

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And the titles Ubisoft is supporting Wii are full of crap, and they will not sell. Because our install base actually knows what "quality" stands for. And what crap ubisoft is feeding the Wii, doesnt stand for "quality" but it stands for "a game that will be buried underneath the desert".


P.S english is not my primary language.

Haze isn't on the 360 and Ubisoft supprots the Wii with other titles anyways....

I'm going to guess two things:
1. You failed English.

or

2. English is not your primary language.

In either case, I fixed your spelling.

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Originally posted by darkmasterpaul:
So how much money went into this game? I bet millions. How is it selling? It's hardly selling.

I see that the hardcore install base on Ps3/xbox 360 is really appreciating your work.

Your work is hardly selling. I think it's time to realize that the Wii is the only way to go.

That was...awful.

Anyway.

It did well enough for me to buy it, so I'd say that's a good sign right there. I don't understand your comment about the "hardcore install base" though, did you believe that everyone who bought a PS3/Xbox 360 would rush out and buy this game?

The Wii comment confuses me even more. Are you saying the game would have done better on the Wii? Why? Lower standards? Less competition on the platform? What exactly are you trying to say?

If you're trying to say that the Wii is a better console, this is one of the stranger arguments I've seen for it. I believe it boils down to this:

1. Your game cost a lot of money
2. Your game is bad
3. Your game will not sell well enough to make back its cost
4. The Wii is a better console

Four does not fit in with the rest of your claims, I would like you to think about that and consult any textbook on logic or constructing arguments.

Please see me after class if you are having trouble.

-Aaron, would make a great teacher of some kind

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1. Your game cost a lot of money
2. Your game is bad
3. Your game will not sell well enough to make back its cost
4. The Wii is a better console

Four does not fit in with the rest of your claims

For serious lol.

If u read the recent ubisoft comments about the wii, and saw what they were making on wii. You would understand too.


The pretty much said "upyours" to wii owners.

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Originally posted by darkmasterpaul:
If u read the recent ubisoft comments about the wii, and saw what they were making on wii. You would understand too.


The pretty much said "upyours" to wii owners.

Your tears taste so delicious T_T

The sarcasm and general apathy from PS360 owners is saddening.

No one, regardless of the system they have, should be willing to accept a developer putting out shoddy work. I can understand how this doesn't affect you or your consoles, but surely you can understand where we're coming from.

If all Ubisoft gave your consoles was "Dogz" or "Babiez" or "Tigerz", while giving the other consoles "Prince of Persia" and "Beyond Good and Evil" would you just sit back and not complain?

The Wii may have been branded a "casual" console early on but the fact remains that it is still the industry leader. To completely ignore the popularity of a console, to deem its entire audience as a group of 10 year old girls who like ponies, to not only release trash and shovelware but also use those earnings to finance decent games on other consoles is an insult to the Wii owners whose interest go beyond ponies.

Wii owners aren't even asking for much. All we'd like to see is some proof that they are trying. One game that shows some effort and passion; something that doesn't look like it was spit up by some third rate training team or something.

It may seem that we are being over-zealous to those who don't own the console, but it's just a bit.....frustrating and this is just about the only avenue we have to voice our opinions.

In a general showdown between ps3 and 360.. the Wii is like one of those annoying flies that you both hate...


I liked the wii when i played it round a mates but i know if i had bought it it would have gone back to the shop the next day..

I would like to apologise to those who used the Haze forum for Haze discussion rather than this insanity about Wii support...

But you must understand, this is Ubisoft's fault. There was a serious discussion thread on the Events forum specifically discussing Ubisoft's Ubidays Wii lineup, and the related problem with Ubisoft's game quality on the Wii (and, for that matter, on other systems), and the Ubisoft forum managers, in their infinite ignorance, figured the best move was to close the thread.

And so, as anyone with a brain would expect, members started making a heap of different threads in that forum. That time over the last weekend while the site was down? They were clearing out all mention of Ubidays Wii, including deleting the ENTIRE Events forum.

That's why this thread, and a few others scattered around Ubisoft's forums, have turned up. Ubisoft think they can silence the huge number of disgruntled Wii owners by just deleting threads and forums... and they're clearly mistaken.

Sadly, you Haze fans (amongst others) have been caught in the middle. As I said, the blame for this lies with Ubisoft and, in particular, their Forum Managers.

And so, again, I apologise for this result.


EDIT: Also, Klixx - perhaps you made the mistake of playing Wii Sports and thinking that it's the only game on the system. I recommend you try Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Resident Evil 4... there's a lot more, but you get the point. Don't mock the system unless you've seriously tried all that it has to offer (and the same applies to all those people who mock the 360 for having nothing but shooters).

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The Wii may have been branded a "casual" console early on but the fact remains that it is still the industry leader.

Um, no, and really that's the problem. Oh, the Wii does fine in console sales and first-party games and Nintendo is making a killing from it, but while there's 24 million Wiis out there [which isn't that many when you compare it to 127 million PS2s, but hey], the best-selling third party title on the system, Guitar Hero III, managed just 2 million sales, which Devil May Cry 4 managed to break inside a month.

The 'new market' the Wii has tapped into doesn't buy games. Once you get past the sales of the top two games, Wii Sports and Wii Play, there's a staggering drop in units shifted: Mario Galaxy in third has shifted 6.1 million units [Halo 3 has shifted fully 2 million more despite half the console sales of the Wii], while Brawl and Mario Party 8 have barely outsold Gears of War. Grand Theft Auto IV beat the entire to-date sales of Mario Galaxy in one week.

Now, if you couple that to the Wii being weak hardware that you can't port current-generation games directly to, it should be fairly obvious why people don't develop games for the Wii. Most of the supposedly massive market doesn't exist; to those who bought the Wii as a toy rather than a gaming system the idea of buying games must be about as foreign as the idea of buying extra Monopoly pieces.

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I played wii sports and found that quite good.... Iv played all those games you gave mentioned and there us nothing special at all... At the end of the day you pick up a stick and shake it about... I need more if a challenge with my games...

Wow, an apology? On a forum? Didn't think I'd live to see the day Aielyn

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Originally posted by Aielyn:
EDIT: Also, Klixx - perhaps you made the mistake of playing Wii Sports and thinking that it's the only game on the system. I recommend you try Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Resident Evil 4... there's a lot more, but you get the point. Don't mock the system unless you've seriously tried all that it has to offer (and the same applies to all those people who mock the 360 for having nothing but shooters).

I have to take some issue with this claim. Resident Evil 4 and Twilight Princess are not really Wii games. They are Game Cube games that were moved to the Wii, changing the interface does little to nothing to expand on the core game.

If I'm wrong, and they are in fact totally different, then I'm sorry. However, as my understanding is that they're just ports, they really can't be called Wii games. The rest of your games can remain on the list =P

-Aaron, stickler for details

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OThey are Game Cube games that were moved to the Wii, changing the interface does little to nothing to expand on the core game.

Sort of. RE4 is a port of the PS2 version with improved graphics, since it sports the additional modes of that version that weren't in the Gamecube version. Miyamoto has said outright that Twilight Princess is a straight port; though the Gamecube version was released after the Wii version the game was originally developed for the Gamecube.

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Originally posted by borninshadow:
Wow, an apology? On a forum? Didn't think I'd live to see the day Aielyn

I'm not your average forum-user.

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I have to take some issue with this claim. Resident Evil 4 and Twilight Princess are not really Wii games. They are Game Cube games that were moved to the Wii, changing the interface does little to nothing to expand on the core game.

If I'm wrong, and they are in fact totally different, then I'm sorry. However, as my understanding is that they're just ports, they really can't be called Wii games. The rest of your games can remain on the list =P

-Aaron, stickler for details

You're right, both of those two games are ports. They're also just two of the many great games available on the Wii, and in both cases, the Wii version is the superior version. And isn't that the whole point - that the Wii version is superior to the original version? We're not talking about Ubisoft-quality ports, where the ported version gets a drop of about 2/10 in ratings compared with the original.

But more importantly, they were just examples. I could have included Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, Zack & Wiki, NiGHTS, Battalion Wars II, Medal of Honor Heroes 2... you get the point. I'm saying, they were examples, not a complete list. There are some ports - another that's just out is Okami, which is supposed to be really good, too. Just because a game is a port, doesn't make it irrelevant when you're talking about the Wii, with its unique control scheme. Some games are made a lot better by Wiimote controls.

And you'd be surprised how much a simple change of control scheme can change a game. Indeed, there are some games out there that would have been top-sellers, if not for the bad control schemes.

Consider the fact that Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, in spite of it being a port of a title that was on both Gamecube and PS2, still managed to move 1.6 million copies, putting it on par with the original GC version. By comparison, the PS2 version managed 2.6 million, and that was with the much larger install base. Even though people had two prior versions to play, they still bought the Wii version in droves. Since the only significant difference from previous versions were graphics and controls, one of the two must necessarily be the reason for the great sales... and graphics couldn't be it, because it still wasn't an exceptionally realistic game.

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Since the only significant difference from previous versions were graphics and controls, one of the two must necessarily be the reason for the great sales... and graphics couldn't be it, because it still wasn't an exceptionally realistic game.

I think it's been well and truly proven that there's a large number of Resi fans who will buy absolutely anything. People bought Code Moronica, for crying out loud. Also, being on a par with a Gamecube game is hardly a sign of outrageous commercial success.

The Wiimote actually isn't as good for Resi 4 as the PS2 or Gamecube joypad. You can see this by how they had to change the tiny laser sight of the original games to a huge great 'hit roughly here' recticle so you could hit anything with it. Your argument here is based on the extremely flawed logic that the same people bought copies of Resi 4 for Wii despite already owning the PS2 or Gamecube versions, as opposed to people who didn't buy either just picking up the most current version.

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Originally posted by GBB_Doramascher:
I think it's been well and truly proven that there's a large number of Resi fans who will buy absolutely anything. People bought Code Moronica, for crying out loud. Also, being on a par with a Gamecube game is hardly a sign of outrageous commercial success.

The Wiimote actually isn't as good for Resi 4 as the PS2 or Gamecube joypad. You can see this by how they had to change the tiny laser sight of the original games to a huge great 'hit roughly here' recticle so you could hit anything with it.

There's a difference - the Gamecube sales were the original version, meaning the game was completely new at the time. On the Wii, it's a port, and therefore a lot of people had already played it, and wouldn't buy it again.

As for your claim that the Wii controls weren't as good, critics say you're wrong. Here's what IGN had to say: "The functionality takes some getting used to and we're not going to lie - you may occasionally fumble it up. But give it 15 or maybe 20 minutes - that's all it'll take, and then you'll discover the strengths of the new scheme and why, ultimately, the new Wii controls are superior." Says it all, I think... except perhaps that the game was mostly rated lower for graphics, in spite of the graphics being better than either the PS2 or GC versions - they were just getting to be dated.

Oh, and I don't think people who are in a forum to talk about Haze should be putting down fans of another game for buying a game that rated more than 9/10. I mean, seriously, Haze isn't even rating a 6/10 on average. You have no room to talk.

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There's a difference - the Gamecube sales were the original version, meaning the game was completely new at the time.

Yes, and completely new on a failed console. Resi 4's Gamecube release was in 2005 at which point the Cube was a dead man walking; it's a testament to just how good Resi 4 was that it managed to sell anything, let alone that many. However, it's a singularly unimpressive figure considering the quality of the game; even Starfox Adventures managed to sell a million copies in 2002.

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On the Wii, it's a port, and therefore a lot of people had already played it, and wouldn't buy it again.

You seem to be again assuming that everyone who bought Resi 4 for Wii already owned a copy. This seems doubtful in the extreme. And still, 1.6 million is hardly impressive for a game that shifted that many copies for a system that was practically dead.

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As for your claim that the Wii controls weren't as good, critics say you're wrong.

And? The recticle is bigger, which shows off how imprecise the Wiimote is as an input device. Whether you actually like waving a TV remote around is very much a matter of taste, and accepting the Wii controls as better requires that you actually like using a Wiimote. Strangely, a critic's opinion on that doesn't displace my own.

Also, the critics weren't exactly unanimous about the Wii controls being better: 1up and Eurogamer deemed it worse, for a start.

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Oh, and I don't think people who are in a forum to talk about Haze should be putting down fans of another game for buying a game that rated more than 9/10. I mean, seriously, Haze isn't even rating a 6/10 on average. You have no room to talk.

Go look at my post history sometime, and realise I rated the game as a six out of ten myself. Then answer why you assume everyone in a particular game's forum must be a fan of that game.

Also, who am I putting down for buying what game? Resi 4? I've got copies for the Gamecube and PS2 already, I'm hardly going to put someone down for buying it. Or do you mean Code Veronica? If so, are you saying you like Code Veronica?

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Oh, and I don't think people who are in a forum to talk about Haze should be putting down fans of another game for buying a game that rated more than 9/10. I mean, seriously, Haze isn't even rating a 6/10 on average. You have no room to talk.

Personally, i think 6 was being generous on the Haze reviews...but now to my other point. So do you just pick games with horrible reviews to go complain on their forums so you might get some sympathy? "OMG i thought my wii was supposed to be sooooooo kewl." Granted it's fun (no more heros, brawl), but id never spend my money on old technology. Yeah, i said it. I had money for a wii, and you know what? I felt my money was better spent buying a real sword ill probably never cut anyone with. T_T delicious tears.

I thought that everyone who owned a wii also owned a PS3 or 360... Despite what anyone says, the Wii is not considered a 'serious' gaming console. I own a wii and PS3. All the 'proper' gaming takes place on the PS3. If I want a laugh with friends the wii comes out. They both serve different purposes. I had assumed this was everyone's view. Well between me and my friends it is.

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Originally posted by truffles222:
I thought that everyone who owned a wii also owned a PS3 or 360... Despite what anyone says, the Wii is not considered a 'serious' gaming console. I own a wii and PS3. All the 'proper' gaming takes place on the PS3. If I want a laugh with friends the wii comes out. They both serve different purposes. I had assumed this was everyone's view. Well between me and my friends it is.

That's a respectable way to roll. Wii should be considered secondary. Fun, no question. But in all seriousness you just said it. "Proper" gaming takes place on the ps3 (or in my case ps3 or 360).