that demo was probably was an old build so expect better graphics look at the screenshots on ign.com there only a few days old

quote:

Originally posted by XSPYDYR:
Well i guess i'm gonna be one of those retards bashing the demo.

You're as entitled to your opinion as anyone else, (but, 'the guns are a little weak'? Even the one-shot kill, over-powered pistol? Man, what do you want, every trooper carrying a nuclear BFG?).

quote:

If the PS3's graphics engine is so great why are the majority of their games at 720p? gears of war = 1080i, cod 4 = 1080p(however its also 1080p for the PS3,wow one shooter game) halo 3 = 1080p bioshock = 1080p army of two = 1080p ( i dont know what it is on PS3) Haze and Resistance cant hold a friggin candle to the graphics (and Haze quite possibly game play) of these games!!! I'm not a hater i have both consoles and enjoyed fall of man very much except for the graphics. I just think the game makers who are exclusive for the PS3 are lazy!!!

...you need to learn something about resolutions though - most of that is incorrect, (you can upscale Space Invaders to 1080p, but that doesn't make it graphically stunning). Besides, there's a hell of a lot more to impressive graphics than resolution, and it's mostly subjective anyway.

Wow I love the game Demo so much! i cant wait for it to come out on May 20th My online name is Quanis13! a feel free to add me as frnd all you other Haze Players ^_^

Ok, so your actual knowledge of games is as full of holes as your grammar...that's fine, I could at least understand what you were attempting to say. Few minor corrections, however.

1) As Deded stated, anyone who can aim, can OSK with the Diplomat. I know, because I've done it...multiple times.

2) While the majority of PS3 games currently do come out as 720p, so does the Xbox. Just because a thing can upscale, does not mean it's native to that resolution. (A Game you forgot to mention was GT5P, that runs @ 1080p)

3) Halo 3 ran below HD resolution. Look it up, this much has been admitted by Microsoft. (In case you're too lazy to look it up, I've provided you an easy LINK


4) CoD4 may have been pretty, but it was quite a few steps back in gameplay from the first CoD and its expansion. Pretty box, **** game...boy isn't that just typical.

5) Sony has 3-4x the amount if internal developers than Microsoft. I'd take Polyphony Digital over Rare anyday.

You arguments are silly and full of holes, just like most children. Bye.

Morne

Wow, people are very sensitive on this site. (including me or I wouldnt be responding) I'm sorry about my grammar, I'm an actor not a school teacher, sue me. Plus I was rushing out the door to get to rehearsal so I wasnt really concerned about grammar. Please, if your gonna correct me on my grammar at least have the decency to have good grammar yourself!

- my guns comment wasnt about power, it was about how they physically looked on screen, nothing more.

- for your information halo 3 does run at HD levels it just doesnt come in at 1080p (but higher than 720p), they said it came in alittle less than that. I've done my research, but i am lazy enough to not bother with a link or read yours, why, I know I'm right. It was all over the internet and gamer mags.

- i know plenty about HD, thats my wifes job!!! She sells corporate business level HD players to businesses all over the world! (not players as in DVDs) 720p is HD and it looks great...ish. And yes it doesnt mean better graphics to have a 1080p game cause vegas 2 is garbage. BUT if you are at 720p IT DOES MEAN you are limited in your graphics output, thats the whole point with high definition people!!! OR there would be no difference between standard def and HD. You need to get a higher resolution to see the "blades of grass" and "people sweating" and to get the "million different colors." I dont feel i need to get into the tech stuff, google it if you dont believe me.

Anyway, someone said that the demo graphics arent as good as the game, so I hope that person was right. I will rent this game the day it comes out and not have any preconceived ideas about it. The demo was horrid, or maybe it was just a bad level to showcase the game, but I'll give anybody 2,3 maybe even 4 or more chances to win me over. I really do want this game to be good, but the demo did nothing to advance that thought. I'm really just banking that i'm wrong and the game is nothing like the demo. I dont mean to sound like a jerk i just dont like spending money on a subpar product. NONE OF US SHOULD! RENT FIRST, and if its good then i dont mind giving them another 6 bucks on a great game, but if its bad then I'll be very upset that i spent 60 bucks on a sucky game!!! lata

quote:

Originally posted by mornelithe:
You arguments are silly and full of holes, just like most children. Bye.

That wasn't very nice.

quote:

Originally posted by XSPYDYR:
- for your information halo 3 does run at HD levels it just doesnt come in at 1080p (but higher than 720p), they said it came in alittle less than that. I've done my research, but i am lazy enough to not bother with a link or read yours, why, I know I'm right. It was all over the internet and gamer mags.

If you had clicked Mornelithe's link you'd have seen Halo 3 runs at 640p, (even the devs don't claim it runs any higher). Likewise COD4 runs at around 600p, with both games upscaled to 720p or higher. It seems to be common practice now for most developers to run the game at one resolution but upscale it to higher resolutions, and of course, if you have a 1080p TV and the game you're playing is displayed at 720p then it's being upscaled again.

It doesn't matter at the end of the day, as long as the games look good. You aren't helping your argument though when you state Vegas 2 runs in 1080p, when the game doesn't even claim to do this on the back of the box, (even if it did, that wouldn't mean it actually did anyway, it's often simply marketing). It's also debatable if 1080i is even better than 720p. The consensus views I've seen is that 720P is actually better.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what the resolution is if you don't like the graphics. Hopefully your rental gives you chance to get into the game properly - demos as always are a little hit and miss, since they can only show off so much in such a short space and time.

quote:

That wasn't very nice.

I never said I was, Deded, and by now, people should recognize that I get a bit peeved at folks wallow in self-ignorance and call foul when they're presented with truth and or fact.

So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you were 'acting' like someone who knows something about HD, and merely forgot to study up on it.



Morne

I have looked forward to this game since last summer and I can't wait!! Under a week to go people!!

I played the demo and I loved it. The graphics weren't amazing, but it does seem like an older build.

The online multiplayer more than made up for it and the acutal gameplay was very fun!!

I am really pulling for this game to be great!

quote:

Originally posted by deded999:

It's also debatable if 1080i is even better than 720p. The consensus views I've seen is that 720P is actually better.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what the resolution is if you don't like the graphics. Hopefully your rental gives you chance to get into the game properly - demos as always are a little hit and miss, since they can only show off so much in such a short space and time.

Ok now I know you all have not been looking forward to my posting here once again ,but I have a small clarification on the 1080i comment by Deded. 1080i is a LOWER res picture than 720p. I know 1080 is a bigger number but the i stands for interlaced. what you are actually seeing is a 540 pic interlaced with another 540 pic. it gives the illusion of 1080 lines of resolution with only actually having 540. 720p is actually 720 lines of resolution so the pixels are smaller and give a more defined picture than 1080i. 1080p is 1080 lines of res and is the highest res for commercial use at this time.

As for the demo I found it underwhelming. I didn't see anything groundbreaking or new. the pretty box wasn't so pretty that I was glad I waited so long. As for the promotions. I am very happy to see that they have TV advertising and a very good internet presence. I didn't however think that the actual TV add was any good. I thought it made the game look cheesy and unappealing. I still don't think this game is anywhere near what they had originally promised to deliver back so many months ago. so there goes $60 I will never see again. I hope you all enjoy this game and it lives up to your expectations but the demo has not given me any more hope than I have had since january and may have actually let me down even more.

I thought this thread was about the demo not my knowledge of resolution? Look i know whats been explained to me and i know what i've read if you guys have read things to support what you've have said great, just know that so have i! If i truly cared i would wow you with info to support what i've said.

Vegas 2 does say 1080p on the box speaking of not knowing your facts, or speaking of self ignorance!!! lol!!! here is the thing with the internet, you show me 10 websites that support what you say and I'll show you 10 websites that support what i say. Or i could go down to where my wife works, again, and talk to real life engineers who designs HD hardware and soft ware.

anyway i'm done with the resolution stuff, if they arent making true 1080p then they should legally have to take it off the box. if i'm wrong then just read your own posts guys! even from what you guys are saying 1080p is better than 720p! And if a game isnt running at true 720p versus the game running at less than 1080p the game with more lines of resolution is still going to look better on a HD tv. I'm kind of lost as to what we are debating about all of a sudden.( lol wife came home for lunch we talked about some of your posts and HD resolution....I stand by my resolution comments!!! I'll get my HD info from a pro, thanks)

BACK TO TOPIC PLEASE!!! The point is the demo was underwhelming, for me. I didnt like the graphics and I hated the dialogue!!! the gameplay like i said looks like it could be ok. But i think secretly i was going to buy this game even though i said i wasnt and probably would have if it wasnt for the demo! lol! the demo talked me straight into renting first. I was watching the vids of gameplay and it looked like it could be cool. Come on that scene in the demo were that guy was dying was horrible. I didn't play online with the demo i know thats half of even getting a game nowadays so I'll do that when i rent it. But I'm all about 4 person coop!! did anywone play that? and how was it?

LoL, man, is your wife allowed to use the PC too? She should know the information you're pushing in her name, lol.

By the way 'engineers' who make HD hardware, have absolutely no clue as to the coding behind a proprietary video game from Bungee. Hate to break it to you, they don't have the access, and I do believe they'd be subjected to lawsuits if they attempted to reverse engineer the program.



Morne

quote:

Originally posted by XSPYDYR:
I thought this thread was about the demo not my knowledge of resolution? Look i know whats been explained to me and i know what i've read if you guys have read things to support what you've have said great, just know that so have i! If i truly cared i would wow you with info to support what i've said.

Vegas 2 does say 1080p on the box speaking of not knowing your facts, or speaking of self ignorance!!! lol!!! here is the thing with the internet, you show me 10 websites that support what you say and I'll show you 10 websites that support what i say. Or i could go down to where my wife works, again, and talk to real life engineers who designs HD hardware and soft ware.

anyway i'm done with the resolution stuff, if they arent making true 1080p then they should legally have to take it off the box. if i'm wrong then just read your own posts guys! even from what you guys are saying 1080p is better than 720p! And if a game isnt running at true 720p versus the game running at less than 1080p the game with more lines of resolution is still going to look better on a HD tv. I'm kind of lost as to what we are debating about all of a sudden.( lol wife came home for lunch we talked about some of your posts and HD resolution....I stand by my resolution comments!!! I'll get my HD info from a pro, thanks)

BACK TO TOPIC PLEASE!!! The point is the demo was underwhelming, for me. I didnt like the graphics and I hated the dialogue!!! the gameplay like i said looks like it could be ok. But i think secretly i was going to buy this game even though i said i wasnt and probably would have if it wasnt for the demo! lol! the demo talked me straight into renting first. I was watching the vids of gameplay and it looked like it could be cool. Come on that scene in the demo were that guy was dying was horrible. I didn't play online with the demo i know thats half of even getting a game nowadays so I'll do that when i rent it. But I'm all about 4 person coop!! did anywone play that? and how was it?

Spyder when it comes to your comments about resolution we are in a grey area. Most if not all the games you are speaking of that play in 1080p on the Xbox360 are in fact displayed at that resolution. The problem you are having with most of the people here is a little more simple than you may think. Those games that are displayed at a higher resolution than is sometimes done on the PS3 are not ACTUAL 1080p renderings. they are rendered in other resolutions and then UPSCALED to the 1080p. Upscaling actually is just a mathematical operation that tryied to take the original resolution and then extrapolate it to the desired resolution. the picture generated now displays without distortion on your 1080p tv, but the actual picture quality is not really 1080p. The reason Xbox 360 games all can say 1080p is that the 360 has a hardware upscaler built in while the PS3 does not. If you need a real life demonstration of the difference please put a regular DVD into your PS3. the picture will be upscaled by the PS3 to 1080p. Now please insert a Blueray disc and see the difference. blueray is a native 1080p signal and should look much better. Unfortunately I cannot say it definatly will because some blueray movies are just standard movies upscaled before they were burnt to the disc. To be safe try and get any movie that was originally released in th IMAX format and you should have a good example. If you are renting then it may be even easier to rent both versions of the same movie so you can tell the difference first hand.

Im downloading right now. I hope im impressesd.

will they have a demo for the 360? [the game looks awsome]

where can i get a demo?

Tanner1970, good post, if i had to do it over i wouldnt have brought up resolution at all. I would have worded what ever i said ( i dont even remember at this point) to just talking about the graphics. I didnt know every single game dev was lying about their resolution, i'm sorry everybody. I get the upscaling thing,i do, even if i cant write about it very well. on the flip side i think people are saying things that they are getting from a website and repeating it to me even though they dont understand what it means.

To be very honest hahaha i'm not sold on this whole HD thing anyway. Yes the spiderman blue ray looks better than if i just put the normal spiderman dvd in the ps3. BUT when i watch it on a normal player on a normal tv and then watch it on blue ray i'm like "really, this is what all the fuss is about", I barely see a difference"!!!! couple weeks ago some friends and i, did alittle experiment and went and watched part of james bond on standard def then watched the same scenes on HD at my house and we were like "um...well...it looks brighter" not just on my tv but every HD tv looks underwhelming to my eyes. In fact HD picks up on the "noise" that film has and i hate that!! I just dont see the BIG DIFFERENCE. at least not 30+$ for a blue ray dvd difference.

I think as consumers we should be upset with the electronics industry! they tell us to get the blue ray or HD (i know they lost) players cause they play 1080p. they tell us to get the expensive HD tvs cause they can support 1080p, they tell us to get the HDMI cables to get the better pic and sound!! the friggin problem is nobody is actually making 1080p anything!! its all upscaled to 1080p, its not real 1080p!! nobody (or very few people) are making content were the output is 1080p. So why the heck are we buying the fancy electronics for our home entertainment systems that are far more advanced than the content it receives. people ask me about HD tvs, i tell them dont waste your time, wait till the content catches up with TVs. The corporate sector is already at 2K resolution. darn it, i talked about resolution again. sorry moderator.

whatever, I thought the demo was lame and i think people just attacked me cause of that and they were using the resolution thing as a way of attacking. I agree with someone, thats its all subjective anyway on whether something looks good or not regardless of resolution. I'll chalk it up to that i misspoke about resolution if that will make people feel better and get back to the topic of..oh i dont know..talking about the HAZE demo. One thing i did think was slick was that the fact that you can configure your controller anyway you want!!

mornelithe I've read you message now acouple of times and have no idea to what you are responding to, i never said anything about bungie or video encoding. to be honest i dont know that i ever said anything other than a highter resolution looks better than a lower resolution and all of a sudden people flipped out, and missunderstood what i was trying to say to begin with because i'm not very good at posting. really i've said all i care to about resolution and HD i just want to discuss HAZE and how the demo was good and how the demo was bad. and to bounce opinions around on how it could have been better, this thread is supposed to be about that. did i missunderstand and this thread was only for people who thought it was good?????

@ XSPYDYR - No-one has attacked you for your opinion of Haze, which you are entitled to criticise if you so wish. As for your resolution comments, if you openly blow off other people's opinions while stating things that they know to be false, you should expect some negative comments yourself.

Vegas 2 says 720P only on my UK version - it may say something else on your box perhaps.

My advice would be if you weren't impressed with the demo but you tthink you might still be interested in Haze, wait for the reviews.

@ OneManArmy - sorry, Haze is PS3 only.

@ Tanner - nice explanation, thanks. And I hope your $60 purchase isn't as disappointing when you finally get it.

now i want to get a ps3 even more

deded999, yup your right i did have a tone of blowing someone off, and i said i was sorry. It was just odd cause someone said halo 3 wasnt in HD and then they gave a number. But the thing is the number they gave WAS HD it just wasnt 1080p. so, how can they be right when they proved themselves wrong? thats were the whole conversation went south. nobody was talking about the same thing, i realized.(albeit to late) some people were talking about video games not coming in at 1080p, but that was never a point i was trying to make. but since it came up I just want all video games to be true 1080p if i hear another PS3 ad talking about playing a 1080p game that really isnt 1080p i'm gonna scream. the better the resolution the better i see the graphics. right? we can all agree on that right?

standard def is 480, from my understanding anything higher than that is HD, maybe i'm wrong, maybe its higher than 720, i really dont know. H3 looks great and the devs said they had to rethink how they did the game cause they were working in HD, i dont remember if that interview was on the website or the bonus disk. so, were they lying? for the record i have asked questions about Haze that nobody pays attention to, they just want to talk about resolution.

like i said i hope people realize i misspoke what i really meant to say was that i wasnt impressed with the graphics and i initially blamed resolution (or at least thats what i'm guessin). The thing is i'm only partially wrong with that statement. i think thats why i got defensive. higher resolution doesnt mean good graphics it has to do with a devs graphics engine. however, lower resolution does mean that you are limited in the amount of content you can put on a tv screen. which doesnt mean bad graphics, but there is a cap on what you can do with output. I absolutely stand by this statement, its a true statement. or there would be no difference between standard def and HD. I think people should really think about what i said about the electronics industry, cause if you think about it, its really frustrating cause we have almost no power unless we stop buying their products. at the end of the day the stuff looks good, but knowing that it doesnt look as good as it could is frustrating cause i spent some serious change on my equipment. but whatever, the whole thing is just silly. we are talking about a video game and resolution, neither one is worth this much typing, i cant beleive i got involved this much.

I cant repeat enough!! i hope the game is fun, i really like playing video games and i like playing alot of video games, its good mindless entertainment at the end of a long day. the demo didnt impress though, sorry.

quote:

Originally posted by XSPYDYR:

what i really meant to say was that i wasnt impressed with the graphics and i initially blamed resolution (or at least thats what i'm guessin). The thing is i'm only partially wrong with that statement. i think thats why i got defensive. higher resolution doesnt mean good graphics it has to do with a devs graphics engine. however, lower resolution does mean that you are limited in the amount of content you can put on a tv screen. which doesnt mean bad graphics, but there is a cap on what you can do with output. I absolutely stand by this statement, its a true statement. or there would be no difference between standard def and HD. I think people should really think about what i said about the electronics industry, cause if you think about it, its really frustrating cause we have almost no power unless we stop buying their products. at the end of the day the stuff looks good, but knowing that it doesnt look as good as it could is frustrating cause i spent some serious change on my equipment. but whatever, the whole thing is just silly. we are talking about a video game and resolution, neither one is worth this much typing, i cant beleive i got involved this much.

One thing you are not willing to see here is a fact of game manufacture. These systems ( PS3 and the XBox 360 ) are the first generation of gamin consoles to come out in "HD". The first generation of game system to come out in standard def was an amazing feat for the guy who invented Pong but it wasn't all that impressive compared to the hardware that followed or the games that followed. These systems are built on a specification that will allow them to actually make a small amount of money during it's life-cycle. These systems are both limited in RAM as well as certain other things that will allow it to fully render 1080 lines of resolution in 60 frames per second. When the first games for the PS3 were introduced they were concentrating on res and not gameplay. This didnt work so well. Take a look at any EA sports game to come out. People refused to play any game that would not run in 60 FPS. Most companies then had to find a way to get a consistant frame rate. the only way to do this is to tax the processor less and have it render less lines of resolution. Halo 3 had to be rewritten for HD because it was originally a 720p game and they had to reduce it to 640 and then use the 360's HD upscaler to achieve it's final desired res. The hardware upscaler allows the 360 to do this on the fly completely separate from main processor. I can only think of one reason that Sony didn't include one in the PS3. They may have believed that they could sell more Bravias because they have it built into the TV and they could say that all the PS3 games look better on a Sony TV.

For you to truly get your wish of true 1080p gaming I will give you the sad news that you will prob be waiting for the Xbox 720 or the PS4.