Hey GBB ou have definitely given a lot of thought to the storyline. I have not yet completed the campaign so, even tho I've pretty much been spoiled on it already, I chose not to read all your post, but what I did read kind of reminded me of a buddy of mine. I'll go see a movie with, doesn't matter if it's a fun little adventure like Batman, or Indy Jones, or whatever... or a complex crime thriller... almost every time we come out he has some thoughts on inconsistencies, plot holes etc... I think its just a personality thing, neither good nor bad... only that sometimes it seems like he has a hard time getting lost in the fun of it because his analytical mind won't let go. I'm into movies... that's my thing... i write, direct, so I could definitely share in his critical analysis, but at some point I just figured, oh well... these movies, these games, they're just fun and they are total illusions that can be picked apart always. Honestly if I critique movies, 99% are crap and I imagine if I was a critical gamer like you I would do the same with games. but in the end these games are distraction devices to make people buy things they don't need and fill their time mindlessly jacked in. If it works, great, if not, there is another distraction device out there for you

Not to take away from your critique... I'm sure you point out valid flaws in the story. But it's kinda like picking apart a magic trick only to come to the conclusion that it's not really magic. I'm sure other games have pulled off the illusion better.

I remember this commentary from Spielberg regarding Close Encounters... he pointed out it doesn't really make sense at the end of the movie that when the mothership arrives it comes up from below Devil's Tower, rather than from the sky, seeing as how the side of the mountain it rises up from was the side the military base was stationed and where the main characters had just fled from... but he said... he just always envisioned that image of the big ship rising up over the mountain and he hoped people would be into the moment and not think too much about the logistics.

So, its just too bad you were never able to enjoy the game, but its all good, new games come out all the time... Do you ever play the MP aspect? Enjoy it at all?

All i can do is laugh at this forum now.

I came on and put my honest opinions across. Wow i used some slang "PWNED". God GET OVER IT!.

This forums "SUCKS" (OH god i did it again), because. If you do not own the game you can't post here (remeber i wasn't comenting on the game i was comenting on the comments made about it).

And my respect for GBB has just dropped to rock bottom - He states how bad the game is, writes stupidly long reports, and yet he has obviously had to play it in so much detail, that he must know the maps and story inside out. Now thats sad. If you dont like a game, come on here say why and leave it at that. Not analyse a game to stupid lengths to attempt to get your point across to other loosers on here - who are obviously cross at themselves for buying the game yet are making a poor attempt to defend there decsion.

"PWND"

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Originally posted by Sterio_Viper:
All i can do is laugh at this forum now.

I came on and put my honest opinions across. Wow i used some slang "PWNED". God GET OVER IT!.

This forums "SUCKS" (OH god i did it again), because. If you do not own the game you can't post here (remeber i wasn't comenting on the game i was comenting on the comments made about it).

And my respect for GBB has just dropped to rock bottom - He states how bad the game is, writes stupidly long reports, and yet he has obviously had to play it in so much detail, that he must know the maps and story inside out. Now thats sad. If you dont like a game, come on here say why and leave it at that. Not analyse a game to stupid lengths to attempt to get your point across to other loosers on here - who are obviously cross at themselves for buying the game yet are making a poor attempt to defend there decsion.

"PWND"

Get over yourself. Seriously.

You came into a dicussion where you had no place and called out on it.

You can post here all you want, no one says you can't..but as I stated earlier, you don't have the game, so why post here?

It makes no sense.

Plus, GBB and I scored the game very close, we just disagree on a few things, and that's what I thought message boards were all about. So yeah, call us "loosers" (correct spelling is losers, BTW) all the while you were attempting to do what we were doing in the first place.

Now that's something to laugh about.

Looking at the these forums you would think this game was released a year ago. If this is indicative at all of how many people are actually playing the game... seriously for all the hype, this forum is a ghost town... with no word from developers... does not leave me with much hope for the future of Haze.

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Originally posted by SpiritualZombie:
Looking at the these forums you would think this game was released a year ago. If this is indicative at all of how many people are actually playing the game... seriously for all the hype, this forum is a ghost town... with no word from developers... does not leave me with much hope for the future of Haze.

Me neither. I have two copies of it, and one will be heading for trade in, maybe both, I don't know..

BTW - Zombie, you should have a friend request from me on the PSN..

GBB - I'll address your post later, that's a lot of reading and typing to do, LOL.

hey maxpontiac, whats your psn name?

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Originally posted by SpiritualZombie: Honestly if I critique movies, 99% are crap and I imagine if I was a critical gamer like you I would do the same with games. but in the end these games are distraction devices to make people buy things they don't need and fill their time mindlessly jacked in. If it works, great, if not, there is another distraction device out there for you

Well sure, but this is a game which is praised for the storyline. What seems to have happened is the game was drastically cut down at some late stage of development and the plot largely contorted around what they already had with little regard for whether it still worked.

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So, its just too bad you were never able to enjoy the game, but its all good, new games come out all the time... Do you ever play the MP aspect? Enjoy it at all?

I gave co-op a try but sadly only found games infested with idiots who sat around at checkpoints killing and reviving the other players endlessly. This is one of the reasons a friendly fire toggle would have been useful; it'd be like a gleaming badge on a game's description in the lobby, saying 'this game does not contain morons.' I also found the reloading pauses were amazingly long and the timeout if you die and aren't revived to border on insanity.

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Originally posted by SpiritualZombie:
hey maxpontiac, whats your psn name?

Same as my name here.

I sent you a friend request ( Spiritual-Zombie).

GBB - What is your PSN name??

Hm. Guess I could give this another rental if there's a risk of a half-decent co-op match. Questions, though, before I PM you my PSN:

1. What sort of times would you be online, in GMT?

2. Do you have a microphone?

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Originally posted by GBB_Doramascher:
Hm. Guess I could give this another rental if there's a risk of a half-decent co-op match. Questions, though, before I PM you my PSN:

1. What sort of times would you be online, in GMT?

2. Do you have a microphone?

I work from my house, so I can be on pretty much whenever I feel like taking a break.

Yeah, I have a Blu-tooth...been told it doesn't work to good, though.

No need to PM me with your PSN ID. Mine has been posted, plus, it's the same as my screen name on these forums.

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Originally posted by GBB_Doramascher:
Well sure, but this is a game which is praised for the storyline.

Yes, because of how much it has improved since Timesplitters and SecondSight.

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Originally posted by NeoTechni:
Yes, because of how much it has improved since Timesplitters and SecondSight.

No, that's never even bought up.

Does it have to be? The game is for FRD fans, not critics.

lol, i cant believe im posting in this ghost town again, but anyway...

haze is for frd fans and not critics? im going to respond to this, even though im 99% sure your head exploded after you posted that (mine almost exploded after reading it). so, youre saying that, not only did the guys at frd know exactly who would like haze before its release, but also developed the game with those specific people in mind? so its not frds fault when most people who bought the game were highly critical of it, because they knew those people wouldnt like it, and haze was developed only for those who would would like it. its the consumers fault for buying a game that wasnt developed for them simply by virtue of the fact that they didnt end up liking it, thus removing them from frds target demographic.

as a real frd FAN, and not an frd FANBOY, haze has done nothing if not shaken my faith in their ability. how could it not? ill tell you why too. it should be obvious that haze was not even close to finished when it was released. it is the buggiest, unpolished, shooter ive ever played, and its not like frd wasnt given enough time and money to get the job done. in the end, it seemed like they had simply bitten off more than they could chew. this brings me to my last point

frd is going to run ts4 on this same engine. now, by the time that game comes out, they may have gotten it in working order, but what about the design itself? haze had some of the most bland, poorly designed, multiplayer in recent memory. the weapons and levels were church boring, the predictable spawn system made it easy to camp spawns, and the balance between troops and rebs was as lopsided as vanilla ices flat top in 91. the once gods of multiplayer had stumbled hardest on what was supposed to be their strongest point, and this worries me to death in regards to ts4.

listen, if you enjoy the game, good for you, but lets no pretnd that its good. its entirely possible to enjoy a bad game, but its delusional to believe that a game is good just because you like it.

Haze is a good game with an interesting story, fun multiplayer, excellent controls, addictive gameplay. The whole nectar thing works very well.

I don't know what balance problems you're talking about between troops and rebels. A decent player can do well on either side.

We all got our faves. Obviously this isn't one of yours. I imagine if it was, your biased review might slant the other direction.

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Originally posted by R.E.Facade:
... and the balance between troops and rebs was as lopsided as vanilla ices flat top in 91.

So... who are the stronger faction? I have about equal success with Troopers and Rebels, but I enjoy the Rebel more because of the Nectar granades, traps, rolls and of course playing dead

ha, my biased slant huh? exactly how has what i stated biased, and towards what? i dont think you understand how to use the word.

the balance issues are apparent to anyone who has even a basic knowledge of shooters. case in point, in the ggl tourny not long ago, 2 well matched teams played 1 map for 3 hours because whoever was mantel won, and the best of two match tied over and over. skilled players playing against skilled players, and the mantel side always won. thats called imbalanced. saying a good player can be good with either side is one of those common sense things people say when they dont have any real argument. simple fact is is that, in clan matches, mantel had the edge in most situations, thats why you chose mantel nearly all the time. why would that happen if not for the fact that mantel had the horsepower? it wouldnt.

anyway, all the other stuff you said was opinion, so thats whatever.

in the end, dont think frd doest know they released a steamer. the guys at frd have been very honest about their shortcomings in regards to second sight, and ts3 (haha, dave doak talking about how ea wanted a more traditional shooter from ts3 was as funny and refreshingly honest as it gets). im sure at some point, theyll talk about what happened with haze, and as a real frd fan, as well as a fan of the industry as a whole, im interested to know. my money is on them having trouble creating a new engine for a system they had no experience with.

the proof is in the pudding here folks. good games dont get sub 60 metascores. good games dont get a price drop 7 weeks after its released. good games dont have a community numbering in the handfuls. most of all, good games dont become the benchmark for hyped console exclusive fails (ie too human being called 360s haze). haze is sub par in every regard, and terrible in some regards (brainless ai). im not saying youre not allowed to like it, but dont be one of those guys that would rather tell everyone else theyre wrong rather than admitt they like a sub par game.

in any case, i only wanted ro have a laugh at that other guys statement. i dont want to sit here and have a ****ing match over a dead game on an even more deceased forum. maybe ill see you again if the frd guys come back to visit regularly like they did up until the week haze was released. cheers

I have seen all too often the troops get their *sses handed to them by the rebels. I choose the rebel side every time.

It's not your game. No big deal. Go play a game that is.

Thanks for the visit. We look forward to the next one. So glad you stopped by to laugh at someone. What an awesome human being.

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Originally posted by R.E.Facade:
lol, i cant believe im posting in this ghost town again, but anyway...

haze is for frd fans and not critics? im going to respond to this, even though im 99% sure your head exploded after you posted that (mine almost exploded after reading it). so, youre saying that, not only did the guys at frd know exactly who would like haze before its release, but also developed the game with those specific people in mind?

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying critics were reviewing it as if it's Halo 3, rather than the works of a smaller developer. They were expecting Halo 3 level of quality with the full backing of a megaimillion dollar Microsoft budget instead of the continuation of the Timesplitters line of technology.

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Originally posted by R.E.Facade:
listen, if you enjoy the game, good for you, but lets no pretnd that its good. its entirely possible to enjoy a bad game, but its delusional to believe that a game is good just because you like it.

So now you're saying I'm not allowed to think it's a good game? I'm not pretending it was good, I thouroughly enjoyed Haze. It IS a good game. I'm not saying it's excellent or Perfect Dark 64 quality, but it's a GOOD game.

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the guys at frd have been very honest about their shortcomings in regards to second sight

Second Sight was awesome.

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the proof is in the pudding here folks. good games dont get sub 60 metascores.

Yeah they do. And horrible games get above 90, the fact that Wiifit scored higher has ruined reviews for me.

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good games dont get a price drop 7 weeks after its released.

Yeah they do. Beyond Good and Evil got one in between the time it took to get from the US to Canada. And that's a period of 2 to 3 days average. I bought the english and japanese copies of Gurumin for PSP and they cost less in total than Pokemon Diamond did for DS.

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good games dont have a community numbering in the handfuls

Yeah they do. I collected a friend from the GTA for GBA board because of it.

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most of all, good games dont become the benchmark for hyped console exclusive fails

Yeah they do, Killzone for PS2 was and it was a good game.

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im not saying youre not allowed to like it

Sure seems like it, you posted a huge rant trying to tell me I'm wrong for liking it.

Well said Neo 100% agree with every response, especially the last one as his rant clearly references the fact that because he does'nt like the game no-one should.