why there are no
Tigers, Panthers, Hetzers,
PzIVH,IVJ??

only PzIVD and StugIV!! those were use early in the war, one or 2 in game was ok but all?

What did you want from a game that has all the German Panzergrenadiers wearing Heer uniforms under Waffen-SS camouflage, not to mention that particular character skin they made has them all as NCO's with collar tresse on their tunics.

I agree with you though, I think it would have been cool to see a Panther model G in the game but lets face it a Tiger would have been a real pain in the butt to destroy with a Sherman, Stewart or the bazooka.

FYI: Stug's were still all over the place late in the war as well as the Pzkw 4. Hell, the Dutch military used captured Stug's up into the 60's and very early 70's.

SS-9 Pzjg. Abt. 9

Theres no BUTT about it. A Stuart could not destroy a Tiger, I doubt even from the back.

yep i agree, but that cut be a nice start to a map'
give us 2 shermans vs one tiger or panther or at least the PzIVJ with the skirts and long barrel

Part of the answer to your question is historical:

D-Day and the Normandy campaign was a Hammer-and-Anvil operation.

The Brits and Canadians were the Anvil.
The Yanks were the Hammer.
The idea was to smash the Germans between the 2.

For it to work, the Brits and Canadians had to keep the German armor busy. And it did work.

Surely there were some of the German armor types you mentioned active on American fronts, but for the most part they were kept where the Germans perceived the greatest need/threat.

To expand on my reply:

The Allied Plan for Normandy was this:

Draw all the German armor onto the Brits and Canadians around their combined front at Caen and grind them down.

This was done deliberately to make the Germans focus on the British and Canadian front as being the location of the planned breakout from the Allied beachheads.

Whenever it looked like the Germans were shifting their own forces around, the British and Canadians counterattacked. (Operations Goodwood and Spring are two examples.)

Keep in mind we'd (secretly) broken the German's code and knew when and where they were committing their troops to battle.

The plan itself was devised by Brit General Montgomery, and approved by all participating nations including the U.S. and Yank General Eisenhower as Supreme Allied Commander.

This would allow the Americans the breathing room to make the actual breakout, flanking German forces in Normandy.

With all that in mind, the historical reason you don't see a whole range of tanks in the game is because according to German records, there were over 700 panzers concentrated on the British and Canadian front, but just shy of 200 panzers to face off against the Americans.

And while it became Montgomery's greatest victory (because, after all, it worked) he's been criticized by everyone (even his own people) who didn't have the full story.

what dark autumn says is true.
where the US AB troops landed there were no panzer divisions. the germans did have armour but mostly outdated obsolete 1930s - early war french tanks like the hotchkiss H35 or somua. often, 2 or 3 man tanks with short 37mm tank guns and/or MGs. tanks that were a burden for the commander to control cos he had to man the main gun, command and control the radio all at the same time.
afaik, there were no early war PzIVA-Es [w. short L24 75mm inf guns]used against US AB troops in normandy.
stug IIIs , however, i'm certain there were [ie, stugIIIs with the long barrelled L48 75mm AT gun].
kinda disappointing that such a historical inaccuracy should be present in a game that so realistically recreates the feeling on the ground by the 'poor bloody infantry'.

but, i suppose, it wouldn't look so impressive if the US AB units were seen to fight tiny little 2 man tanks with cannons that could barely manage 2 small calibre shots a minute.
think about it;

Mac: "german panzer on our right!!"
Matt Baker: "where?"
Mac: "there!!"
Matt Baker: "WHERE???"
Mac: "goddamit!! THERE!!!"
Matt Baker: "u sure they're gerry tanks, sarge?"
Mac: "course i am!!! they got the gerry cross on their sides"
Matt Baker: "they look awfully small"
Mac: "just grab the bazooka and waste them"
Matt Baker: "naww... it's ok, sarge... here's a rock... this oughtta do the job just fine!"

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Originally posted by Oblt.Fonnekold:
Theres no BUTT about it. A Stuart could not destroy a Tiger, I doubt even from the back.

Sorry but you are wrong there. I don't have a link, but there is a documented story of a US Light Tank M5A1 (Stuart) knocking out a Tiger. It was on higher ground, and pumped 6 37mm APCBC shells into the engine. When it started smoking, the crew bailed.

The thing is, in real life (not Bia), tanks aren't always destroyed. In real life, usually after a penetration was acheived (on either side), the tank vrew would abandon the tank.

According to "Tiger Tanks" by Michael Green, using declassified US Army Documents, a 37mm APCBC (Armor Piercing Cap Ballistic Cap)M61 round from a US 37mm Antitank Gun M3 or US 37mm Tank Gun M6 (don't think the M5 tank gun found in the M3A1 Stuart had enough muzzle velocity)could penetrate a Tiger I in the tracks or from the rear and top at ranges less than 100-150 yards.

Most of the German Tigers at the time of Normandy were on the eastern Front, so not many Tigers were available in Normandy, yea there was Wittman's tiger platoon, but most of the German armour in Normandy were Panzers and Stugs (note there were no panthers! All panthers were in Russia at the time).
Due to the growing variety of German armour, American troops began to report any tank sighting as a Tiger, when more often than not it was actually an Panzer IV they had spotted, most likely the Ausf. D and H.

APC M51B2 Shot ( Armor Piercing Capped Ballistic Cap )
Weight
0.87 kg

Velocity
884 m/s

penetration:
100 m
63 / 59 mm


500 m
55 / 52 mm


1000 m
46 / 43 mm


1500 m
39 / 37 mm


2000 m
33 / 31 mm

Armor Data for the Tiger I.
Front Side Rear
Gun Mantlet 120 mm @ 0â˚ Turret 80 mm @ 0â˚ Turret 80 mm @ 0â˚
Turret 100 mm @ 10â˚ Superstructure 80 mm @ 0â˚ Hull 80 mm @ 0â˚
Superstructure 100 mm @ 9â˚ Hull 60 mm @ 0â˚
Hull 100 mm @ 25â˚

and the reason there wernt many tigers in normandy was because of the british commandos.

but that said i dont think it matters cos if a squad came across a tiger i dout they would have lasted long so i think a bit of poetic lisence is alowed hear.

and realy who cares its a grate game anyway.

quote:

Originally posted by Peiper1st:
why there are no
Tigers, Panthers, Hetzers,
PzIVH,IVJ??

only PzIVD and StugIV!! those were use early in the war, one or 2 in game was ok but all?

The first Units which were equipped with the Panzerjäger 38(t)Hetzer were the Panzerjäger Abteilung 731 and 743.
Both were equipped with Hetzers in May/June 1944 and served at the Eastern Front.
First Units at the Western Front were equipped with Hetzers at September 1944.
Stug IVâ´s with L/48 Gun were widely eqipped to German Units,but in 1944 there were no Panzer IVD in Front Line service anymore.In 1944 the Panzer IV was in Front Line Service with the Versions F2,G,H,J