I do not understand why you are coming down on me.....
What did I do any different then others?

I to wish Ubi would let us know about a new R6 game, but I grow tired of people bashing R6V2 on this thread. That helps nothing.[/QUOTE]

LYCANMASTERV,

I always enjoy seeing a new face in the forums. But please don't flame others for their opinions.I have been around for a while,but some people have been through the whole Rainbow Series. I still play Vegas 2 daily,but that does not change the fact that it is a broken game without any support from UBI.

I believe most people posting here will agree with me as far as any Rainbow Series Games. UBI you have lost your fan base and will have to work hard to win it back. So scuse us for being critical of UBI but they have brought it all upon themselves. So if all you want to do is come in here to flame other members please go else where.

LYCANMASTERV

Since you are new here and to R6 in general you can't possibly know about the bold face lies and deception UBI has dished us for years to divide the R6 community. I won't take the time to inform you personally because you are being an *** but if you dig around you will see that the problems we have with R6 go far beyond the actual gameplay.

Vegas is a great game, but it's not a Rainbow Six game as us old schoolers have come to learn. The game breaking bugs, lack of support, lack of admin options, server files, and no mod tools nailed the coffin shut on this game long before it even had a chance. And that is what has the majority of us ****ed off. A game with so much potential to be great has been tossed aside for UBI to create the next flavor of the month Halo/COD clone.

9:28 PM PST login servers are down

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Originally posted by LYCANMASTERV:

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Originally posted by BTOG46:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you made that post while I made mine, but, that's enough now.

I do not understand why you are coming down on me.....
What did I do any different then others?

The issue here is not that you hold a different opinion, but that you voice it in a manner that belittles the view held by others.

I would strongly suggest reviewing the tone you use within the forums

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Originally posted by BTOG46:

@ the_Monk-

You must be getting old taking the bait so easily, relax and open a cold one and calm down.

My apologies BTOG46, you are of course correct. I should have left it alone......in the future I will.

For the record, I guess I might be getting "old"...hehe The full head of grey hair and all....should have tipped me off a while ago!


Back on topic...

I know it's probably not possible (at this point anymore) to get the DEVS for Vegas to come in here to "communicate" with us, but if UBI is working on another game to be in the R6 franchise how about suggesting the DEVS of said title to come visit us here......in this thread.....first? Before the marketing machine begins it's churning....you know....present the "olive branch" to their hurting community?

Might be a gesture of goodwill the entire community could appreciate?

Might be the proverbial "turning over of the leaf" so to speak?

Just a thought.

the Monk

Hi Monk,

Since the devs are in Montreal, I would assume their first language is french (a presumption), so the language barrier might be an issue. I for one would like to see the devs start a dialogue with the fan base and get the bottom of what a tactical close quarters shooter should be about.

That's two communities I've seen destroyed in my time playing online shooters on consoles. Socom and rainbow six. To date treyarch has been the most successful in my book, they listened and learned, they gave us more zombie maps and more multiplayer maps that have evolved the gameplay mechanic. Given the increasing cost of developement and raising trend in second hand sales (something the pc seems to be devoid of), I would expect shorter, perhaps cheaper games being driven by downloadable content customised to the communities needs, this requires a dialog with the community that far out strips what we have going on here. A dialog must be entered into at some point, its a matter of when.

Here is a very interesting observation!

I bought COD4 - 2 years ago for my grandson and myself.
I never played it much, but he did.

His was uninstalled some months ago to make room for newer games.
He plays lots of different games and game types.
Today he asked if I would reinstall COD4 for him because he liked it so well.

I installed the game and patched to the latest 1.7 patch.
It started and ran perfectly without a single issue.
Checked multiplayer and there were 14,817 servers running.
NO! That is not a misprint.
(Vegas 2 might have 20-30 on a good day)

That is likely more servers than all of Ubisoft's games combined, and then some.

Whether you like this game or not, it does prove that Infinity Ward/Activision are doing something right for the gaming community to maintain a gaming group this size.

Will Ubisoft ever wake up and create this quality of game and support??
Vegas 2 could have been such a game , but Ubisoft chose to abandon it shortly after release.

Even communication in this forum starting now would be a major step forward if Ubisoft ever considers releasing a new RB6 game.

I thought 3000 to 4000 servers for COD WaW was a good number, but nearly 15,000 servers for COD4 was a huge surprise!!!!
(This was Sunday afternoon about 3PM)

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Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:

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Originally posted by LYCANMASTERV:

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Originally posted by BTOG46:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you made that post while I made mine, but, that's enough now.

I do not understand why you are coming down on me.....
What did I do any different then others?

The issue here is not that you hold a different opinion, but that you voice it in a manner that belittles the view held by others.

I would strongly suggest reviewing the tone you use within the forums

But of course

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Originally posted by Sir_SpankalotUK:
Hi Monk,

Since the devs are in Montreal, I would assume their first language is French (a presumption), so the language barrier might be an issue. I for one would like to see the devs start a dialogue with the fan base and get the bottom of what a tactical close quarters shooter should be about.

I can assure you that even if French is their first language, Montreal is pretty much 50/50 (French/English ratio), so they should have some knowledge in English and that is more than enough to be able to talk on a forum with gamers...

My first language is French, does it shows?

I would never have known!
Actually, your English is better than many with English as their first language!

The game is in English, so the devs. obviously have a good knowledge of the English language.

Now if they could just use that knowledge to communicate with their gamer base.
But then .. I really doubt that would help, because they don't stick around long enough to fix anything!

Now it appears Codemasters has followed Ubisoft's lead .. releasing a broken title called Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising.
I was really looking forward to this game!

I guess I should thank Ubisoft for making me so gun shy of developers these days that I didn't buy OFP: DR when they dropped the demo that was promised before game release.

That was a huge red flag for me.

I guess we will still be playing COD: WaW until something better comes along.
At least Treyarch/Activision gave us a nice working SADS, and 23 standard MP maps.
Plus, there are many user maps if we ever get bored with the 23 exisiting ones.

It has a hard core mode (sort of) and lots of user options to make it more realistic.
1 life, no health regen., no running, etc.
The maps are much more open and detailed than Vegas 2.

The map layouts in Vegas 2 feel almost claustrophobic to me!

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Originally posted by LYCANMASTERV:

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Originally posted by Lethal1940:

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Originally posted by LYCANMASTERV:
AWC_Pest stop whinning, and that goe sfo rall of you whom are whinning on this forum. If you do not like the game Ubi i smaking why are you using you time to cry about it on here, simple becasue you probably are no good at them is the real reason. I for one love R6V2! I love the 3rd person cover although I wish the entire game was in 3rd person view. I just hope to see a new R6 game within the the very near future!

A FPS with 3rd. person view .. you have to be kidding!

No one is whinning.
If you like the game that is your prerogative, but the game is broken, Ubisoft abandoned the game and gaming community long ago, and there is absolutely no tech. support.

If you think it is such a great game, check the servers to see how many gamers are still playing this broken game.
8 year old games have hundreds more gamers than Vegas 2.
COD WaW has 3000 to 4000 servers on any given day.
COD 4 likely has more than that.

Just started up Vegas 2 to backup statements with fact:
24 versus servers running
8 players total
Yep .. really a great broken game with lots of players.

Also ran COD WaW:
3199 servers running
896 players on the first screen of 22 servers
That is an average of 40 players per sever.
One had 55 players .. probably more than Vegas 2 has total.

Before you say that this is off time for gaming .. both games were checked that the same time.

Pest has been here for well over 3 1/2 years, so maybe you should spend a couple of years or more on these forums as most of us have, instead of a few months, and take the time to become familiar with the issues before flaming everyone here.

There actually is a forum rule against that, but I'm sure you didn't take the time to read that either!!

And many of the gamers here are very good at this game .. they have just become very frustrated with the many problems and Ubisoft abandoning the game after only a few months.

Flame away!!!

FPS is the least realistic view as per prespective that there is. I perfer 3rd, I do not like fps but I do play them. I merely state my perference on view.

I play R6V2 almost daily and have yet to have trouble hosting or playing in a match. Your point is invalid. One would think that even as terrible codwaw is it would have more player only due to the fact is it a much newer game than R6V2. Once agian your point is invalid.

Why bit the hand that feeds is the main point of this.

**I CANT BITE MY TONGUE – LIKE YOU KNIGHT**

I come here every now and again only very briefly if that! I don’t post anymore because my views on R6 are no longer valid within the current incarnation of R6 vegas – vegas 2 (19 months since the last game was released).

I was driven away from here because my ideas of a military Special Forces tactical shooter were considered out dated!! You may ask, what do I think is a good tac sim: Rogue Spear, Raven Shield for CQB and the original ghost recon for open field army spec ops, also the original operation flashpoint.

What am I getting at here precisely you may ask! Well nothing has changed since I last posted here and the same idiots still troll the forum, abusing the people that have been here for years... Lethal and Pest, really don’t deserve that crap, especially lethal for the amount of unwarranted tech support he has given out.

Anyway, I gave up on this franchise a long-time ago. I went over to ARMA and then ARMA 2. For what its worth lethal, operation flash point 2 is bugged, no dedicated server files, but I still like it, the COOP is great if you can find a low latency server (or you can host your own). If the game gets patched and they add dedicated server files it could take off, plus the game has a mission editor… let’s just hope they don’t follow the ubi support route!

Hey GroundBranch,
It's nice to see you back even if it is just for a short visit.

I take most of what people like LYCANMASTERV say with grain of salt.

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"FPS is the least realistic view" ??

When is the last time you ran around in real life with a camera attached behind you on a boom??

I respect everyones views and opinions, but there are certain types that flame and name call when they don't agree with another view.
That isn't acceptable and I don't do it.

Thanks for the heads up on OFP: DR
I am still waiting to see where Codemasters goes with Dragon Rising.
It has been 2 1/2 weeks since release and they still are only talking about a patch, and can't seem to make a commitment on a SADS.


I fear this game will go the way of Vegas 2.
No real fixes and dropped support.
But then it will hit the bargain bins with V2 at $7.99.
Might be worth a purchase then.

If you haven't done so, check out the OFP: DR forums.

http://community.codemasters.c...umdisplay.php?f=1002

And thanks for the kind words of support!!
I don't help for Ubisoft's sake .. I just hate to see gamers defrauded on a game that doesn't work, so my help is for them.
I haven't even played this game in many months.

Hey lethal, no problem over the kind words, you have provided unwarranted technical support on the behalf of a very broken media product!

My own personal thoughts on Vegas:

Vegas could have been good for what it is, an all out action video game like gears of war, even though I don’t play gears, I have played it on my nephew’s xbox 360 and it seemed fun!! But it’s not my kind of thing really. I see vegas in the that genera, with a little light weight tactics thrown in within a counter terrorist scenario – not sci–fi. (Well some of the vegas body armour and outfits have sci-fi look which bugged me – but don’t get me started on krusty the clown pink outfitted custom camo - it was laughable)

Personally, I would rather the game have stuck to the Rogue Spear – Raven Shield format, if it had to go down a more main stream route, I would have been happy with a stripped down R6 similar to the old xbox version of black arrow, which was a very good game! What killed the vegas game was the lack of tech support, patches, map packs (including extra gear, weapons etc), mission editor (SDK) and no SADS was the final nail in the coffin for the pc version.

Getting back on Op Flashpoint 2, I still think it’s early; the game has only been out two weeks. I personally like it, the weapons and explosions are very well done, you can tell that CM watched a lot of military videos, and apparently the devs got to shoot every gun in the game, SCARS, M4’s etc, and recorded the weapon sounds. The muzzle climb and weapon noise is excellent, when you call in CAS close air support, you can use a laser range finder to direct in a JDAM, put it this way, it is the best simulated air strike I have seen, the explosion + dust cloud that goes up is impressive. You can tell they watched JDAM air strikes on you tube and modelled it off that.

One thing I will say though, it is more of an infantry sim than an all out mil sim like Arma 2. Put it this way, it is a long-time since I got the old original ghost recon feeling, I was playing a fire team engagement spec ops night mission – you have a team of operators (no pink clown suits here) the load out is very SEAL team in appearance, authentic NODS night vision, with
SCAR MK17 marksman 7.62 (NIGHT OPS – thermal scope), creates a great atmosphere, very tactical and excellent 3D ambient sounds.

I downloaded a mod, which improves the game AI, it has improved my experience of the game.

The 4 man coop special forces missions I host on the hardcore level, it gets intense! I have created one mission myself so far called -BRAVE MEN DARK WATERS it just needs some of the scripting tweaked. It has taken about 4 days to create, I based it on a real time SEAL mission on the invasion of Panama: you infiltrate a small airfield and destroy the aircraft, going onto to a small garrison and taking it out with a CAS close air support mission with a JDAM and then exfil to the coast for pick up.

As you can see I am sold on this game, I believe codemasters will support it and it is early days yet, if they patch the bugs and SADS this is a winner.

If any of you want to play the single and coop mission downloads go to www.ofphq.com there have already been 53 missions created for the game!

I play coop with SBSoperator if you can remember him off the forums here... he left long ago.

I am outa here for now… in the mean time


PS - Lethal the spec on Op Flashpoint 2 are quite steep, but I am running it maxed out on an older Dell Dimension 9150, with an average of 50-60fps

GPU: Zotac 8800 gtx 700mhz factory clock speed (old card still good tho)
CPU: Dual Core intel – 3.00ghz
4 Gig of ram
Windows XP professional

Thanks for all the information.

I am still watching DR with interest, but I think I will still wait to make sure Codemasters isn't going to drop the ball on this one.

No problem with gaming systems.
I am a system builder and have several pretty high end systems sitting here.
I never go top of the line for bragging rights as it is too expensive, but build price for performance.

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Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Thanks for all the information.

I am still watching DR with interest, but I think I will still wait to make sure Codemasters isn't going to drop the ball on this one.

No problem with gaming systems.
I am a system builder and have several pretty high end systems sitting here.
I never go top of the line for bragging rights as it is too expensive, but build price for performance.

I take anything the lethal say with a grain o salt. Oh I must be mistaken I thought this was a Rainbow Six communcation fourm with Ubi not a cod or ofp fourm.

Ubi has made too many Rainbow Six games that us fans love for them to disguard our thoughts and us wanting a new Rainbow Six game in the near future.