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Originally posted by Want2Snipe:
I guess we can now add EndWar to the "Most supported Game" after Vegas 1 & 2, Graw I & 2 + FC2.

I don't go to any other forum so I can't say anything for them but... I can sure speculate and I am sure it ain't pretty there either!

I still don't understand though, people buy a UBI game, have an atrocious time with it, comes to the forum and speaks his mind (not in a praise/good kinda way either), then, next UBI installment comes out and he is right smack in the middle of the line waiting to buy it?

1.- Stupid

2.- Masochist?

3.- Daddy's got Money

4.- Naive to believe it can't happen again

5.- All of the above!

Well, I have to admit, I got EndWar because I do all my gaming on the console now and I wanted an RTS that did not have base building and resource gathering. I just wanted to order the troops around and fight the battles.

Then I guess you fall into the "Lack of Options Category as someone else stated after my initial post!

that's just because RTS aren't meant to be played on a console IMO...

Talking of RTS, nUbisoft should try to learn from the best in that genre: Blizzard.
exemple of how to do great games
-no release date, the game will be released when ready
-map editor since the beginning
-support and patches even 5 years after release (War 3 lastest patch was released in 2008)
-easy to use and reliable multiplayer with tournaments every weekend(Battle.net!)
-listening to consumers and big events/tournaments players according to balance issues

I won't go into details but thats about it

Its my view that both FPS and RTS games should NEVER be released on any platform that does not have proper native support for standard USB Keyboard and Mice.

Once you release a FPS and RTS on consoles with only joypads as the only control method it effects game play and limits the game to "casual" (aka lower skilled gamers)

Idk, but the x box 360 has the best controller for any shooter IMO, and much better than a keyboard and mouse since I used to play Counter-Strike religiously back in the day...

PC weekend deal - 50% off... includes 3 bonus maps?

WOW, UBI's gimmick ways never cease to amaze me!!!

Okay Okay, my 2 cents:

I came to this forum to QQ about the lag in R6V2 which i bought with this Weekend deal off.

There's no way I'm going to read through 104 pages of mostly complains. But it seems like this lack-of-support is only going on in the PC-gaming business, which I think Ubisoft is quite done with.

I played and finished R6V2 on the X360, and i must say i was and still am very satisfied. The multilayer was top, almost beating CoD 4 and coming near Halo. It is an improvement above the original Vegas in every way. And that's why i felt so confident buying it on the PC this morning(c'mon just E10,00 how could you pass).

Now don't get me wrong, I don't regret buying it. There's still a single player in the game which is worth a lot more than the 10 Euro I payed for it.

But needless to say that I can understand why UBI isn't giving that much support for the PC-community. I don't need to give reasons. You can come up with plenty of it yourself i think.

Anyways, reading through here has weirdly had the opposite effect of what i think the OP wanted.

Thanks for the discount UBI. Keep em coming

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Originally posted by ilduce42O:
Idk, but the x box 360 has the best controller for any shooter IMO, and much better than a keyboard and mouse since I used to play Counter-Strike religiously back in the day...

You wouldn't be saying that if fps games on consoles didn't have some form of "aim assist.".

Well they do so I am, either way the shape of the controller and placement of the buttons I'm talking about as well, it's a more comfortable controller whether I kill people or not...

going off topic here but...

test it, keyboard n mouse vs gamepad without autoaim... you'll know what's best suited for fps...

though, I can understand the comfort issue... with the PC, you can only solve 1/2 of the problem since keyboards are always the same...

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Originally posted by KZarr:
Now don't get me wrong, I don't regret buying it. There's still a single player in the game which is worth a lot more than the 10 Euro I payed for it.

Of course, if you are a console gamer which just bought it on discount and know that you won't receive any support or patching for the PC games you bought, then you're okay. The game on PC is maybe worth €20 - no support included - but I guess not the €30-50 some might have paid for it once.

But of course thats not what we want to achieve here. The weekend special-offer is there like to add insult to the injury.

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But needless to say that I can understand why UBI isn't giving that much support for the PC-community. I don't need to give reasons. You can come up with plenty of it yourself i think.

Here you are sadly true and I guess the reasons are stated here:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

I don't agree with all what is said in above paper, but the conclusion is right.

Since many go like "if I don't receive support, I'm not gonna pay them", that ends in a doom loop (or should I say "catch-22 situation") and we'll end up exactly where we're headed for on the PC. The fact that most of games are released as a PC portation from consoles prove this already.

Nonetheless, if Ubi maybe took inspiration from Egosoft, we all would be really happy. That's where I got the above link sent from, from one of their Associate Producers, which is there, talking to me even in private, giving me real reasons for their DRM in this case and he is helping people out in the forums. They are giving patches until the end, handout the SDK and editors needed along with the game and remove DRM of their game at least 1 year after release.

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Originally posted by FireballU:

Nonetheless, if Ubi maybe took inspiration from Egosoft, we all would be really happy. That's where I got the above link sent from, from one of their Associate Producers, which is there, talking to me even in private, giving me real reasons for their DRM in this case and he is helping people out in the forums. They are giving patches until the end, handout the SDK and editors needed along with the game and remove DRM of their game at least 1 year after release.

Believe it or not, but Ubisoft hates DRM. But they hate piracy even more.

There now looking for alternative's. They just released the latest PoP without any kind of DRM or copy protection to see if people are really willing to pay for it.

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Originally posted by KZarr:
Believe it or not, but Ubisoft hates DRM. But they hate piracy even more.

Hmmmm, double edge sword for sure. I can also say that UBI hates DRM because is something else they have to code, and usually, code wrong... as proof with their latest games.

I am sure we all hate pirates as they bring down the quality of a game but, what happens when you spend money on a product that doesn't work out of the box and the manufacturer is not willing to support it? What is the alternative here?

Again... Double Edge Sword!

I'm following Want2Snipe here. I buy my games and I loved the Rainbow Six series. But I hate what Ubisoft has done with it. How can I find out if the next Rainbow Six will be the same crap as the Vegas series? Ubisoft refuses to bring out a demo so what is left? 50 euro's is 50 euro's and I want a quality game for it. Be honest, we saw the Vegas hosts run empty in 2 months...

Then there is the fact of communications. Ubisoft isn't honest to their gamers. They said Vegas 2 will not be a port... Come on, not a port??? Trailers, screenshots, info from Ubisoft or even the game review sites don't tell the truth about a game. Only a working demo will!

But there is the problem, if they release a demo, and people notice immediately that it is another Noobiesoft crap game, they will not buy it off course.

I don't like the piracy like it is going on today, but Ubisoft is surely also to blame. Don't forget that PC gamers spend already big cash in their gaming rigs. They espect also a good quality game to run on it. Not a console port for sure. PC's are more powerfull, so the games should be made for it. PC gamers are simply more demanding. Graphics, gameplay, multiplayer etc...

Then their is the complaining from the Crysis people. What did they espect??? They made a game that no normal pc could run smoothly at the release date.

But like Want2Snipe said it is a double edge sword. Time for Ubisoft to make it a single edged one. Give the PC gamers back what they want, stop telling lies to the community and sales will go up. I don't say that piracy will be gone but it will be better.

But it's a company that only thinks about money. The real question is, did they make a profit with Vegas or not? I'm sure they did, so where is the problem? Hmm, because they always want more money....

I guess this thread says enough about the commitment Ubisoft has to the gamers.

But again, don't get me wrong, I'm buying the games I play, but I wonder if I ever will buy another Ubisoft game. For sure I need to see it first.

That's my thought about it...

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Originally posted by KibOsh:
But it's a company that only thinks about money. The real question is, did they make a profit with Vegas or not? I'm sure they did, so where is the problem? Hmm, because they always want more money....

The same was said and answered by a UBI staff when I ask point blank if FC2 was a PORT, the answer was NO... we all know better now, right?

DRM is also a smoke screen for "Less work less and make more profit", why on earth would I pay $50 bucks (if not more) for somene to tell me how many times I can or can not install my game?

Sure, they say that as long as you uninstall it by going online, you should have no problems... we all know the horror stories with that as well. Don't believe me, go to the FC2 forum and read about the poor people that can't connect to uninstall properly.

Piracy, DRM, those are just words used by UBI for "punch lines" and to their best interest.

If you game is good enough, people will still pirate, it goes with the territory but, they will also buy it to play online or to keep it for the future. Those that don't pretend to buy it won't regardless.

Another thing (and I am tired to say this), I am a Single Player Gamer only... why is it ok for me to pay the same amount that the MP player will pay when all the patches and/or fixes are only ment for MP, at least 90% of it and only 10 for SP fixes? Why do the MP folks get the new maps and we SP folks get zilch?

Besides, if you look real deep, the consoles have more piracy now than the PC but still, UBI caters to it because it is what the masses are buying.