Yes, I agree with cbcal1977 this game should have never been released with such defects. And this company should respect its clients but its a big company you can't really expect much of them. The only thing you can expect is for them to ignore us and treat us like ****. I am very disapointed in the game and the company for releasing such "****".

The Spawn Camping ish. Is there anyway you could nullify the effects of weapons of any type from a certain distance from the spawn points??? This would probably stop people abusing a 5 second invincibility patch??? I dunno maybe its the fact that people are now calling it spawn surpression not camping (ChEaTiNg Is What Fans Call It!) that makes me not wanna play!! GrRrRr

When is the new patch going to be released to fix the controller and the xbox live connection problems ???????

The 5 seconds is too much. In clinic, this gives you enough time to make it out of the spawn, walk behind the kid that's in the window and unload into him. Without getting shot may i add. You could also walk out of the spawn and look down the hallway before the protection is gone.

There should be a radious that you will lose your invincibility because this makes it very difficult to know where to be to fight your opponent without bumping into a kid that just spawned 5 seconds ago.

Spawn camping isn't possible if you don't die the time you spawn. If you don't die within 3 seconds of spawning then you have the time to kill the opponent with a grenade. If you don't play with grenades, then that is your fault, that is the use for grenades.

Please either return it to the time that you had before or possibly make it so that they have 3.5 seconds or a radious that if they leave it will automatically time out.

~Warhero89~

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Originally posted by warhero89:
In clinic, this gives you enough time to make it out of the spawn, walk behind the kid that's in the window and unload into him. Without getting shot may i add. You could also walk out of the spawn and look down the hallway before the protection is gone.

GOOD!

The collision detection on the windows in Clinic is SOOO glitchy, I'm GLAD you have enough time to just walk over and cap them.

If they can't fix the windows, at least they fixed the guy standing behind the window, and that I can respect.

Hey there Ubi, its me, speddyeddy, here to complain on a different topic seeing as how Im constantly ignored anywhere I post, so Im just posting here aswell. Well as some of you may know, I come off harsh, rude, maybe mean, but Im not trying to be, its just the way I feel, about a month ago, I thought I should post here and at least expect a reply, I have been shorted that, I dont know if you remember me saying that I was a long time fan, well, I was, or still am for RS3 and RS3BA, they're great games, My whole argument has been that I have felt betrayed, forgotten or what have you. Rainbow six Lockdown isnt what it was hyped to be, other people on this very site agree with me, some of their problems maybe that there are too many glitches or problems on the game, but many of us say that the problem is the game engine and the fact that this is an arcade, I'm sorry but RS3 was a success because of its successful game engine, that is, it was a true tactical shooter, not some counter strike Halo mix breed piece, (Halo is fun), but it cant even accomplish that good because some elements of the game arent to enjoyable, fast pace games are usually the unrealistic, or unreal games, they are fun and all, but dont stand out too much, Rainbow six 3 and before that, really stood out as its own genre, as a matter a fact, rogue spear was the very start of the tactical squad based shooters, it created the genre, It was a masterpiece, I remember, I played it back in the day. I was so happy in 2003 to get RS3 because It was even better than I couldve imagined, same with Black Arrow, even better. PEC is a great Idea, but too much like and RPG in some instances, I think you guys should be aiming for an MMO with PEC, but not where its at right now, trust me, its super fun, but, its funner to play a where everything is equal, I know thats not a great point on that, and I really/actually want you guys to keep it, but it provokes people to play sharpshooter, which is basically an Arcade game. Arcade games are in such a mass production, its like theres a farm with designers creating arcade after arcade after arcade games, RS was a pure bred game, but you guys took on over to the breeding farm and came up with Lockdown, an unrealistic shooter with things like run and gun and spray til yur surrounded by shells, come on guys, those 2 elements alone ruined the game, and the fast paced feeling too, oh and the whole arcade feel in general, what happened to the realistic Rainbow we came to love and know. I think you shouldve kept the RS3 engine and put PEC on there, you guys wouldve gotten so much praise from the gaming community believe me, every1 is saying that too. Come on guys, Im not saying RSL is the absolute worst, its just a step back, and do you guys know what its all about, its about the recovery. Please any1 (preferably Ubi staff) Respond to my post, I hate being ignored, Im not just expressing myself, Im wanting to communicate with you, compromise, help you, I know Im not a designer, programmer, or what have you, Im just a regular gamer trying to reach out.

totally agree mate, dont know what system ur on but ps2 game sucks, they should redevelop an rerelease it with lobby an game set up the same as r3 TO MANY CHANGES NOT ENOUGH THOUGHT why not ask people before instead of ignoring people afterwards?
this is a ubi dev free zone!!!

yeah, I agree Roja, this game wouldve been a billion times better if it was like Rainbow six 3, this game is a disappointment to all rainbow games period, this game is not true to the hardcores.

actually whtverman your agreeing with me, but its all the same. Im just glad a people are hearing me out. Im still offended that UBI hasnt responded to any of my posts, come on guys, you cant act like we dont exist, its foolish to acknowledge praise only, rather than be open to both sides.

firstly guys the games a done deal on the ps2 so i doubt they give a s**t they only answer questions regarding the xbox. secondly american army rise of a soldier is out in europe early 2006 (another ubi title) this game appears to be what r4 should have been and definatly isnt.lets hope they get there servers sorted for this one otherwise i for one wont be back. check the game out in the forums cos its already released in the usa.

1) get rid of auto team balance in ranked games or at least let us choose.
2)get rid of locked teams or at least let us choose.
3)get your servers working reliably!
4)put the lobby back as it was in rainbow3 yes it can be colour if you really want
5)bring back observer mode and get rid of talking dead people. can i have no6 as well?
6)why cant you hear a 15 stone trooper running full pelt down a corridor ect?
7)stop the spray an pray run an gun element
8)restict grenade blast radius, and ten grenades a person is rediculous, also ive never seen a rainbow grow out of someones arm when they throw a grenade!!
this all aplies to the ps2 format so you best redevelop and rerelease the whole thing or give us rainbow 3 black arrow for the ps2 to make up for it all

hell, just make the next game like Rainbow six 3 and then your problems are solved period.

After my last post I decided to sit down and properly think about this offer,
The ubi-soft development team want our input to make future games better.

So, I feel if they are willing to ask and listen then it's only righ that i should take the time to clearly point out what I feel is inportant in any future rainbow six games.
If Ubi-Soft Are good enough to read through the whole of this post, then hopefull ythey will take some of th ebelow suggestions on board and make Critical hour the game We would ALL want.

Firstly lets look at some of the points outlined for Rainbow six Critical hour.
These are th ekey features that where pointed at that teamxbox.com highlighted

1 * The end of an era: Rainbow Six Critical Hour’s storyline bids on nostalgia as John Clark retires and passes the torch to Ding Chavez.
2 * Classic missions return: Chosen by fans, eight single-player missions from the original Rainbow Six and Rogue Spear games return, revamped with today’s technology.
3 * Return to tactical gameplay: Through slower pacing and an enhanced combat model, strategic planning is the central element of gameplay.
4 * Advanced combat model: Choose your steps wisely as your actions could mean the difference between life and death. Weapon accuracy is affected by in-game maneuvers and events such as running, crouching, standing still or firing while injured.
5 * Superior multiplayer experience: Rainbow Six Critical Hour comes equipped with a superior multiplayer experience, including the revolutionary Persistent Elite Creationâ„¢ (P.E.C.) mode, as well as the new and innovative Assassin and Free-for-All modes.
6 * Close-quarter battles: Maps in narrow corridors with non-linear level design challenge even the most tactical of gamers, increasing the importance of the infamous one-shot kill.
7 * Weapons and equipment: Enter the battle with today’s most advanced weaponry (more than 20 weapons in all) and high-tech equipment.
8 * Span the globe: From Idaho to Venice, Mexico City to Siberia, team Rainbow travels the world to serve and protect the innocent from terrorist threats.

And Finally this picture.
http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/45030/Tom-Clancy...w-Six-Critical-Hour/

O.K.

#1.
The transition of command going from john clark to Ding Chavez sounds promising, Look At Men In Black, o.k, it's a strange film for me to use as an example, But that whole film was based on introducing will smith, not just as an agent, But as a leader,
Thinking along these guilines, Seeing Chavez work his way from service to being the main man, This means a potentially fantastic story line which with so many possibilities, is soundin gbetter th emor ei think about it.
next

#2.
Classic missions return, Personally not a point that really lights my fire, But done properly this could be great.
Only Eight missions, is in my book, an excuse, we should see at least 12, maybe 15 missions, So how about making sure there's a few "all time greats" that are only opened up with completion of the game.
If not then please at least make sure that th e8 you do do are true classics,
Everyon ewill tell you differant,
But from Black Arrow alone (my most recently played rainbow title), I would expect to see, Airport, Cafe, Presidio, Angora, Streets, Hotel.
And If ya have chance make th emissions more ravenshield legnth, Not the much shorter black arrow versions

3#
Return to tactical gameplay
This point has me VERY excited, I was ammong many who disliked lockdown, But i'll cover that later, For now a return to tactical gameplay should be the type that made it great on Pc. look at any map from Raven shield or Athena sword, Look at any game on Rainbow six 3 or Black arrow,
You put there gameplay and style into modern day graphics and you will have a fantastic game

4#
Advanced combat model???
I know you forgot about how important this is. But Weapon accuracy decided by character position, standing crouching etc ??
Come on guys this was already the base for original rainbow games In Black Arrow, or rainbow six (xbox/ps2) You would see Characters crouching and leaning round corners to get the best possible shot/accuracy.
Ok Lockdown allowed for much more arcade like arcade run & gun, And accuracy Is somewhat stupidly unrealistic, Anyone who can fire a few bullets while running and get a headshot
from a hundred yards or more needs to be in some superhero movie, Not a game thats ment to be realistic.
Gettin gA headshot from Distance needs timing Aiming and accuracy, And none of that can be realisticly obtained when running.
After playing some games, you laugh to yourself and think "have these guys even fired a real gun"
I dont care for replica's, Or computers, or life like physic engines.
Fire a real pistol, or better still a rifle or machine gun.
Previous games (r6 & ba on xbox/ps & xbox titles.) Made you feel that, with the force feedback, semi realistic sounds, and the need to crouch and aim if you wanted major accuracy
So obviously Alot of people ar egonn aoutline the unrealistic aiming in Lockdown.
Another point I want to cover while i'm at it Is Bullets.

If possible Go line up 3 Xbox's,
Load up Rainbow six 3, Black Arrow and Lockdown.
Now start a multiplayer match, and have one person fire across the view of another player.
Obviously you will notice the player animation etc, etc.But something else that i feel is important is the bullet fire,
Any previous game you see spark like fire from the weapon and occasionaly a slight blurr of th ebullet in flight.
Now in Lockdown, Fire...
Sorry for keep refering to lockdown, but WTF!!
It looks lik eyour firin glittle comets No Bullet shines like hailies comet when fired across a few hunred yard opening.
Please, again.
Dont try to make it look flash or bright.
Fire a real gun (or if ya cant get that close, Fire a gun in raven shield) get my point :P

Anyway, Onto the next point

#5.
P.E.C mode, Assasin and Free-for-all.
Sounds good.
Question is, Not Everyone Has xbox live,
Not everyone has an xbox, not everyone who has an xbox, has live.
I've said it before, But reardless of how important you think they are, There are over a million registered users of System link tunnelin gApplications.
They allow lan type games to be played Across a broardband connection, So rather than connecting to another xbox, your coonnectin gto another xbox via you rbroardband.
Now Ignore this point if you want, And i'm sur eMicrosoft think that anyone who doesnt use live isnt worth the hassle.
But Here's a few minor points I would really like you to consider.

a. Over 1 million users use System link Tunneling Applications to play Xbox & Ps2 Ln games across Broardband.

b. To play Xbox live on original Xbox you MUST have or have access to a credit Card

c. If anyone without access to a credit card wants to play online, system link tunnelin gsystems is the only option

So, If your going to ignore every other point please realise that There's THOUSANDS of users, that wouldnt bother with a game that did not have System link
(But i wouldnt be suprised if you didnt already know)

While on the Topic, I will also Say how inportant I feel Voice is
Playing Multiplayer games is all about playing in high numbers or in teams.

I'm sure any of the people who have played any rainbow game online will tell you how great team games are (Remember the original rainbow 6 was the BIGGEST game on Live untill Halo 2 came along)
That is becaus eRainbow is simply a great game to play, both in teams, vs, co-operative etc, etc

So i'm sur eI dont need to tell you how important Voice is to a team game.
No tonly to the millions on Live , But also the million or so who only use system link.

So, Back to the features.

#6
I'm not even gonna repeat this point.
Tactical slower gameplay , obviously also referring to 1 hit (a headshot) kill, etc, has already been covered,
The whole #6 just sounds like your trying to make good points out of what should be obvious

#7
Team Rainbow to me, Has always been about the best of curren tAnd near future weaponry,
How a P90 was ever deemed as the best weapon I dont know.
But look At ANY Rainbow title (except Lockdown)
The features of each weapon where all pretty obvious.Just look at any multiplayer game online, Look at the weapons th ebest players use.

G36c/k, g3a3, m4, etc,
But please also undredtand the importance of at least 4 decent pistols.

next....

#8
This just sounds like your pointing out obvious things to make the game sound better than it is.
Rainbow games are all about numerous world wide locations.
So lets please stop making this sound like something new.

So, There some opinions on the Features you've pointed out.

So, Lets now cover things that where simply "WRONG" in lockdown.

Well firstyl being a system link gamer, lockdown had no voice, That is why I currently don't own it,
That is why on System link tunneling services, There are NO active arena's (games) In lockdown Now, And thats why there probably wot be ANY today.

If you Really want to make Critical hour the all time Great, Then your gonna need to google this.

Xlink kai or Xbox connect (XBC or Xbconnect)

So go'on, Have a look, See how many gamers are on Every minute of the day, And look at the differances, Ghost recon 2 And summit strike Halo 2, Farcry, Rainbow six & Black Arrow, Splinter cell
All of those are played Daily by thousands,
Now go look at lockdown,
Or look at any other game that doesnt have Voice.
Now you'll hopefully understand, Becaus eAt any minute of the day you will find at least 1000 people playing games with Voice, And you'll be lucky if you see 100 people playing games without voice
Ubi-soft is My favourate developer, sod EA, they dont even include system link,
But Ubi-soft do, and USUALLY they include voice,
So usually you guys make Alot of people happy, Which no doubt reflects in some way in your sales figures etc.

I Play on My xbox usually for 3-5 hours a day.
The Games i have most [played over the last 12 months are...
Rainbow six 3 Black arrow, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Ghost Recon 2, Gr2 summit strike and Mechassault 2.
These Games, I play usually weekly and while Over the last year i've played each for at least 20-50 hours in Sungle player, I dare say "especially for rainbow" I've played for Hundreds of hour sin Multiplayer

So please forgive me if i sound a little biased towards sys link or multiplayer gaming,
But i'm sure i dont need to tell you how inportant multiplayer gaming is nowdays.

Now lets look at a few features that Lockdown promised gamers...
Not really important, But being gaming guys & gals hopefully you peeps at ubi will understand why I'm highlighting Points from lockdown,

Lockdown Features
1 * Immerse yourself in tense close-quarters combat, where split-second decisions mean the difference between life and death.
2 * Thrilling single-player campaign has you playing as Ding Chavez, the confident team leader, who never leaves a man behind, and as Dieter Weber, the team's arrogant, relentless sniper who never misses.
3 * Lead Team Rainbow, a deadly counter-terrorism unit comprised of the world's best operatives and equipped with the latest weaponry.
4 * New tension-building sound effects.
5 * New increasingly intelligent enemy A.I.
6 * New stunning graphic engine and ultra-realistic "ragdoll physics"

Nothing bad at all, I honestly felt that Lockdown Was gonna be the numero uno of Rainbow gaming.
Why wasnt it......

Well, I dont need to tell you that,
But Hopefully What i have wrote will help to some extent,
, I've covered old stuff, I've covered current stuff, And i've even tried to outline Important things that wher echanged that didnt need to be changed.

Firstly, You know What your Capable of In the Looks and sound Department,

Apart from the stupid Fire-fly like Bullets in Lockdown, the sound and lighting was Fantastic
So I really feel There's Nothing to add for those,

Many have said it, But honestly, If you put Lockdowns sound and graphics onto Black Arrow, and add a few points from above your onto a winner

Next I want to Touch on Maps,
I feel only 8 single player missions is somewhat cheap, Maybe you'll up that, Maybe you know something we dont,
But please, If there is only to be 8 single player missions,
They can Easily be made to feel like 16 , 24 or 32.
Dont have arcade like constat save points, Remember the 3 saves throughout th emission you touched on before, That was great, meaning you could have a few quicksaves, But no saving every 1 minute or yard.

So, Good setout, new & old styles, And BIGGER maps, That require more thought and tactics will add time and legnth to what with 8 missions sounds a somewhat short 1 player game.

Now onto maps as a whole.
Firstly missions is 1 thing, They should be BIG varied maps covering small and large opebn and closed, multi-teared levels.

Howeve Multiplayer gaming is totally diferant.
Remember Variety is the key,
So a wide variet of maps is VERY important, Not only in Size, and openness, but also in tactics, Some maps may have a single route to centre meaning team positionin gand speed is crucial,
however other maps may require numerous sub-groups splitting up and maybe 1 or two covering easier routes, or routes that leave there mates in th eopen.
Having a wide variety of maps is important and the promised 18 multiplayer maps sounds great.

Hopefully that will include

*Various Classics,
*open and closed maps
*single and multi tiered maps
*a few new maps
*QUALITY, if quality is gonn abe a problem dont bother, Just give us the old classics
*mode specific maps that much suit a certain mode

Hopefully you'll get a decent mix and add some neat new bits to the classics.
and if we're really lucky you might give us a few new maps that will also become classics.

Also, With referance to th eonly screenshot you've released so far, I can't Say i'm impressed,
It looks as people would expect, Black Arrow is the Gameplay that we want But Graphics are above and beyond those times, Remember Black Arrow was based on the old Rainbow six engine Which Has almost been around as long as the xbox :P
Still though it's great to see Critical hour seems to be shaping up pretty much like Lockdown, Visually Lockdown was very impressive, The lighting effects all worked well and the nightvision was far suprior.

However I hope that you guys remember that if we're goin gback in time to When Ding was first around with rainbow, There not gonn ahave the High-tec stuff that where available in Lockdown.
So hopefully we'll see the best stuff from the main four Rainbow games of this century.

Also, If anybody has noticed my constant gripes about Lockdown, And praise of black arrow i'll explain it now.

On P.C. I have Raven shield and Athena sword Installed, I play it every few days, And to me it is simply the best P.C Tactical shooter so far.
F.E.A.R the new tactical shooter, looks promising but i'm yet to play that so i wont comment.

However on Xbox, I was upset that certain cut back's, where made, But obviously even more so now, There's a MAJOR differance between What a P.C and a standard Xbox can produce.

Hopefully though This Last xbox Rainbow game (for th exbox Not 360) Will Be a true, classic, So far I've had every console, I play hundreds of games every year, And the Xbox is by far my best sytem yet,
So Saying Black Arrow is th eONLY game I've played practically Daily, For 18 months Will i hope give you some idea as to how well you did with the first xbox rainbow games.

And if you look around the forums i'm sur eI dont need to tell you again about the numerous mistakes eslewhere.

And so, This has took me well over an hour to write, So i'd like to add just a few points about possible FEATURES.
Looking at your original 8 point list, As explained closer to the front of this post, I'm fairly impressed, Hopefully you have listed over the last 4 months and you will provide mor eof th eClassic rainbow and not th enew arcade like letdown *cough* i mean Lockdown.

However On A Final point, I'd like to mention A.I.
Now day's it's sometimes hard to tell an N.P.C from a friend, In place's the A,I is ultra realistic,
However One thing you dont see is Tactical Evasion,.
Sure you blow open a door you'll occasionally see people dive for cover, Or you may hear someone shout for assistance which will then try to flank you etc,
Bu tif you havn't already please spare a thought for th elone soldier,
Innevitably in every team there's gonna be a few guys who prefer to do it themselves, In the heat of opposition they may even prefer a solo attempt on protection rather than working as part of a team.
And i think it woul dbe great to see this in future rainbow games.
Possibly even Guards who will try to Get your attention to lure you into a trap,
Maybe Gaurds that will destroy certain surroundings to provide cover, or gaurds that will lay a mine and camp in the corner.
All minor changes to A.I but all things i'm sure you guys may have already done or tried.

Finally, Thankyou.
If any dev has took the time to read this, let us hope it helps.

Critical hour doesn't concern me, I've yet to buy summit strike (nor will I buy Advanced Warfighter) since my conditions for GR2 glitch support went uncorrected. The same applies here, I don't continue to invest in a franchise when one chapter has failed and support omitted. Too often I get the impression that unsuccessful or flawed titles are abandoned by the developers/publishers who seem to believe they'll account for it in their next release; not only do they save money by not supporting a less than stellar seller but they make more money.
I've said it before and I state it here again, lack of system link voice and no free for all survival or sharpshooter modes removes most of this game's value for me and my LAN group. As far as I'm concerned, until a patch includes these oversights, Rainbow 6 stops at Black Arrow (and Ghost recon stops at Island Thunder).

You have got to be kidding me, all the complaints about the LD level-up Glitch and you didn’t fix it, this is unacceptable. Working for a game developer myself, I can’t believe (as developers) you would let this slide. This should have been the first problems fixed when CH was in development. So now, yet again, you have PEC mode with a glitch (the same glitch) that made LD PEC a joke. Maybe you should take some hints from EA and Battlefield 2, at least they fixed most of the MAJOR Glitches in the game in a timely manor, not bring out a new game with the same well known problems.

Great!!! Wonderous!!!! there's hundreds of level 30-60 players in the first 2 hours of your release!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!! you really want this game to flop, don't you....Get the level glitching under control....how hard could that be??? Gawd!!!!

I represent the slacker dorm college kids in United States, who have fun playing games split screen online with friends, I lied I am too old, Anyways I think your game might need some patches that would enable “split screen online” like gears of war, if it would compete with games like gears of war. The wind is blowing to co-op territory.

Stop all that whining about 5-second invulnerability and just play the game. I don't see any problem with that. Just strafe or camp out and time his 5-seconds then cap'em. If u can't play then just go find another game. If you wanna play then come on over to R6: LOCKDOWN. -DI9ITAL-