Right on Eddy
, take out PEC, were not playing an RPG

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Originally posted by whtverman:
Right on Eddy
, take out PEC, were not playing an RPG

Why limit features? It's not the only MP mode so you don't have to touch it. Why remove something that others enjoy?

I'd have to say that the customizable option doesn't go very far .. sure, camos and helmets are cool .. but I want a better interface for making my character look like me .. what's the deal with no obese models ?! lol ..

Another thing would be the cost of the gear .. a helmet should not cost me 10,000 credits especially when some of us love purchasing grenades and having to pay to actually fix our armor ... which I do, actually you just kill the point of fixing the armor altogether and just ... make it so when our armor is destroyed completely .. we just buy another one, which doesn't cost soo much ..

And last but not least ... more maps .. you have all these camos, but again .. what's the point if we don't have the areas to use em in.

i know i will be flamed for this but i would like to know because i'm thinking about getting this game for my original box...


what is p.e.c. mode?


is this just another way to say online play or is it just one mode of many for the online play?

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Originally posted by IMP4C7:
i know i will be flamed for this but i would like to know because i'm thinking about getting this game for my original box...


what is p.e.c. mode?


is this just another way to say online play or is it just one mode of many for the online play?

The PEC mode means the more you play, you build experience and skill points you can put into different areas of expertise, based on the role you chose for your online character: medic, commando, engineer, spec ops. Improves accuracy, healing effectiveness for medics, whatever. You pick up skills as you build up your character. It adds an RPG-like quality to the game, which is refreshing for a FPS game. The problem is that online play is kind of dead now, and most game types you can't find a game for. Rent this first to see if you like it. Personally, I bought it because I really like the single player enough to own it. Honestly, you should find a used game at this point since online games are getting more and more scarce. The full price is hard to justify because of that.

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Originally posted by DayGlow:
Why limit features? It's not the only MP mode so you don't have to touch it. Why remove something that others enjoy?

My friends and I enjoy using the .50 cal sniper rifle and the M203 launchers, and they were removed from Lockdown, though the .50 cal was removed from BA and the M203 wasn't. I didn't see people complaining about the rocket launchers in Halo 2, but people whined and moaned until the 203 and the .50 cal were removed. I want the M203 launcher back. The PSG is fine for the sniper rifle.

Also, why only one 16 player map? So you have to run dedicated and buy another copy of the game?

the good thing about pec is how it punishes camping.
hats and lame stuff aren't much of a reward though.
Rewards should be limited to armor, scopes, weapons and skills or abilities. And the idea of people losing their edge if they don't maintain their rank is worth considering.
Left handed players should be able to play from day one on.
AA style sensitivity to suppression fire could be a good idea, too.

I think it is a good idea for a different game. What made OLD rainbow (first Rainbow 6 3 for xbox) and black arrow is that there was one real option for clan matches. The more options you give, the more frustrated and harder it gets to start a clan game so people leave. PEC does not belong in the rainbow series IMO. Teamcompete and Gamebattles are the 2 biggest xbox sites for online play and rainbow six was the biggest game on both those sites for xbox. PEC just messed everything up. What we all want (99% of the people) is a game that plays like old bow and black arrow but with next gen graphics and maps like in old bow small and intense. Thats it. If you do that and have no glitches you have a hit on your hands, otherwise you will have another letdown. Thanks!

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Originally posted by smglo15:
I think it is a good idea for a different game. What made OLD rainbow (first Rainbow 6 3 for xbox) and black arrow is that there was one real option for clan matches. The more options you give, the more frustrated and harder it gets to start a clan game so people leave. PEC does not belong in the rainbow series IMO. Teamcompete and Gamebattles are the 2 biggest xbox sites for online play and rainbow six was the biggest game on both those sites for xbox. PEC just messed everything up. What we all want (99% of the people) is a game that plays like old bow and black arrow but with next gen graphics and maps like in old bow small and intense. Thats it. If you do that and have no glitches you have a hit on your hands, otherwise you will have another letdown. Thanks!

Which is why I say to stop the stat tracking on the normal game. If people don't get stats on PEC mode that are artificial due to cheating and 'buddy beefing', they won't play PEC if stats matter to them, they'll play clan matches, because that gets them the stats that make them look "l33t". PEC is a great idea for a Rainbow game. Absolutely wonderful idea. I just think the stats are what skews the fun factor.

1. bring back all the old weapons...the ones we have are cool, but i like my ak and m16.

2. get some new levels...we need some assault packs or retro packs that include some of the old levels like airport, garage, rocket facility and some new ones as well.

3. consider either taking making all the abilities, excluding armor and second gun set available for upgrade at the begining to even things out a bit, or the best way would be to make it so that you can invest you star in any of your abilties, excluding better armor and second gun set, until you reach a higher level...lets say you just start off as a spec...you can invest one star in critical hit right off the bat, but you cant put another on there till level 20-25, then the third only when you get to the level you would have unlocked it at...do that for skills you earn from level 25 and up, then for the other skills below that you can only invest two stars until you reach the level you would have earned the ability in. as for better armor and secondary gun sets(snipers, smg's for commandos...ect) no stars in them till you earn that level...this would give the people that just start an even playing field, and make them feel like they have a chance against a lvl 40. also some lvl 40's that are curious about a difernet specilization can go give it a try...

4. limit the amount of proxy mines that can be laid in the level by each team at one time...this is VITAL...during any gametype, the engineer can lay down proxy's all over the place...there needs to be a limit or if there is one it needs to be reduced to say 4-6 per engineer depending how mny stars he/she has invested in them.

5. Level 40's need money too!!! once you hit 40 you better save those credits for a clan match or an important fight because you dont get squat for credits...in fcat the more you kill theless credits you get...i played a 6v6 in redlight in which i killed 1 person and survived to the end of the match... after the match i got about 60-70 credits...the next round i killed 3 people and survived to the end and got 20 credits...should i not have gotten 150-200 credits??? even if your level ends at 40, you still need to earn credits like you do at level 20.

6. proxy's need to be a bit more obvious...the only way to really see them is with the thermals, but most of the time you notice them and back up you get wasted anyways...the smart engineers will hide them in a spot where one already blew up and make it near impossible to see with any vision...that sux.

I think the game runs great! But I sold my X Box to get a 360, will there be an update to play on 360? Rainbow Six 3 and Black Arrow both work now, but I want my LOCKDOWN back!!!

#1) What you don't like about it and think should be removed?

Buying grenades so ppl can go grenade happy with 99 grenades. Buying mines so ppl can plant them all over your spawn, infront of your spawn tpa point where you cant even leave your spawn or survive in it.

#2) What features you like about it and would like improved?

Buying Different attire. WOuld like to see more attire and funny stiff too like christmas hats and pumkin heads for holidays.

#3) What is missing and should be added?

More facial customization along with more hair styles.

#4) General comments or things you would like to be changed.

On just pec mode nothing much more then the leveling up makes it unbalanced for new ppl who come online to have some fun but get owned by veterans who give them the time or day to learn.

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Why limit features? It's not the only MP mode so you don't have to touch it. Why remove something that others enjoy?

Thats easy, it had an affect on the gameplay therefore creating more people who dislike the game, and also it inspired sharpshooter and unfair gameplay, oh and also this isnt an RPG were playing (until recently), this is rainbow six for crying out loud, not an RPG fantasy create your own charachter BS.

P.S. Lockdown is proof that PEC had an effect on the gameplay, ever since day one of the announcement they mentioned PEC being a core element

PEC would alot more enjoyable, fresh, etc if:

It was a Market Place
Where any Special Force Class can buy any equipement but (theres always a but lol) ...
At a price.
So if you were a Medic but wanted the Proxy Mines then its gonna cost ya big time, but still within reach without having changed your class and losing levels, that combined with regular intervals of downloadable gear (suggest some old weapons and gear, one or two a month?)

This would make the game alot more random and max out the customibility of PEC.

I also think there should be a CO-OP PEC, upto 4 players ??

1. Get rid of the Prox Mines.
I quit playing because of them.
Make them so expensive, and or limit the
number an engineer can carry. They have
ruined the game.

2. Create a way to avoid spawn camping/killing.
multiple ways out of a spawn. I.E. Hideout,
one way out. Clinic two ways out of the same
general area....

3. Make a penalty for those that quick, or a
host that drops a game after the first min.
This is happening far too often. If you quit
a game, your stats should reflect this. I was
in a good game where the host and his team
were getting bet bad. And the Host was ranked
pretty high in the stats, so he quit the game
and dropped off. If you quit after the first
1-2 minutes of a game, your stats should
get hammered, EVERYTIME.

4. Get rid of Proxy Mines

5. Get rid of Proxy Mines

6. I was an engineer, and using proxy mines,
I forgot how to shoot. Get rid of Proxy
Mines.

7. Give Commandos, and Spec Ops and Medics
a toy like the Proxy.

8. Lower the price of headgears.

9. An Artic map.

10. A Woodland Map.

11. Get rid of the stepped on a duck sound a
female makes when they get killed.

12. Desert Eagle .357/.44

13. More Guns.

14. A sniper rifle worth a ****.

15. More medals that are harder to earn.
I came up with a 44 ribbon/medal system
that would add to the experience.
The more unlockable toys, treats, easter
eggs... the better the experience.
One idea for a medal, the team killer medal.
After 100 T.K. you get the ribbon.
1,000 T.K. you get the medal. It's a medal
most won't want, but will get.

16. Make an online only version. (Halo 2)
I hated to say that, but... It would be
a great idea, and would allow more maps,
unlockables, weapons and could be priced
as they see fit.

17. Either get rid of the Proxy Mine, or give
them to everyone.
A wired booby trap/I.R. booby trap for
Spec Ops. A Proxy Nerve Gas for Medics...

Make two zones in and around a spawn.
In the Spawn , if you shoot a player in
their spawn, you get a -2 kill count.
Then the immediate area around a spawn area
is a -1 kill count. This will allow people to
get out of their spawn. Embassy and Clinic
are two of the worst, but none of the maps are
spawn camping free. More ways out would help.

Give the blue bar of Invincibility through
these areas, as long as the respawned player
doesn't shoot.

Using a jammer should turn off a proxy mine
within the radius of the jammer.

Allow the placement of the field clinic and turret anywhere.

I dont think this game should be based on how much u play the game but how much skill u have.... thats why most of the old RS series fans... gave up on RS since Lockdown... We just want pick up and play type of game... a game u can just go in and enjoy...
All we want is a new Black Arrow game... not a new Lockdown game... that was the downfall of Raimbow Six.. everybody knows that...

P.E.C Was the one good thing that made it from Lockdown.

Here's a few points that I think are important for any future versions of P.E.C

Maybe a ranking or medal system, Showin gth emore experienced users dependent on time skill etc.

Bonus's for those who do play ALOT or very well, Possibly certain Things that can only be brought after hours of play.

PEC (PERSISTANT elite creation)
Since when was On Xbox Live Only known as Persistant, If you want people to play persistantly to add to there character you should include all play not just xbox live.
And th emode shoul dbe fully accesable offline for those who maybe only play at home in split screen or on system link.

Bonus not Boost.
a P.E.C Award should be a bonus not a boost, I've been Playing Black arrow most nights for 18 months, And new players wouldnt want me to have a boost, However it would be nice to have a bonus for playing so **** much

So screw giving better players better equipment, Just make them look better :P

the one and really only thing about PEC mode that i dont understand is why the hell can you increase the power of your gun. very veery unrealistic! sure there is some other probs to but that one is the one on my nervers

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#1) What you don't like about it and think should be removed?

#2) What features you like about it and would like improved?

#3) What is missing and should be added?

#4) General comments or things you would like to be changed.

1)How easy it was just to make a room and watch people rack up the medals. Kinda takes the fun out of having to earn medals when you can just boost yourself. At least if there is no way to chaneg that then don't make medals gain credits or exp.

2) The main thing is I would like to see more places ona map that an engineer can close off. Other than that there wasn't much to improve. Oh well other thanthe usual more options for customizing your player. Everyone still came out looking fairly similar. Maybe a color scroll chart thing where you can shade your won colors and such. That would also help improve skin color for people after they chose their face of preference.

3)Clan based PEC. Where you gain clan stuff or weapons based on the level of your Clans level from PEC clan matches. You could recieve more options for logos or some different options for apparel, or even different guns. Allowing for people to go back tot he fun clan squad based part of the game.

4)Just the usual. Better maps, slower speed, less run and gun (so us campers have just as much of a chance)