I have positioned the first two telescopes as per the observed coordinates in the control room, moved the top handle to the left and pulled the bottom handle in the tram house but the tram at the third pedestal has not risen for me to climb on the top. I have been stuck here for several days. What am I missing?
I'll welcome a spoiler.
Bud

Make sure that the tram can't go any further - pull down the bottom lever in the terminal on the first pillar until it's clear that nothing happens any more (you can hear this). Then link to the third pillar; you should be able to enter the tram now.
(Note: you can't take the slate with you)

Thank you Oh wise one. That was the solution. I had to pull that handle 3 times to get the tram raised to the correct level

Hmmmm,

I'm confused.

I am playing with the "tram" myself - well I think it is. You mean the one which you have to get to via:

The roof, the room, the secret button, the stairs and then out on a catwalk with two levers.

One to move and one for direction of the tram?

Well, I'm stuck.

You guys are mentioning "linking back to pillars.

Someone said something about this and "a presant waiting back at the bubble when you do ......"

I guess this may be the wrong thread, but I counted 50 pulls on the lever to get it from one end to the other.

Also when I get in it, the lever in there doesn't work.

So maybe a hint would be handy.

NOT a spoiler though please.



Thanks again folks.

You've wasted your time and fallen into the same trap that others did. Winch the tram back. You have to get to the tram on the other side using a pedestal and power it up to come to where you are now.

Silly me.

"The other side"..... Lost me. You mean another one which is at the next "tram stop" from the one at which I am now looking?

I can't get the symbol to appear.

Gotta do some more "home work" to get that going.

I think my problem is how/what/how much info to put on the slate.

The other side = the other pillar where it was originally. You have to go pillar-hopping by using the controls in the red room to move things out of the way of pedestals with symbols on them.

Hmmm...

I'll have to look into how to do that.

But thanks.

TTYL.

Try moving the sideways lever to the other side... and then do the 50 pulls.

(innocent giggle)

I didn't mean I was confused about how to move the tram, but more what else I am missing.

I've read most (if not all) the threads about this problem. I'm still stuck.



This is a big/long post. Get a cup of coffee.




My understandings of what has to happen:


(Anyone not past here don't continue)













Ok, initially the "path is blocked" by cables. Resolved.

The power is turned off. Resolved.

Looking through the small scope I see 3 symbols which are to be entered in "the red room" on the first on the right input device. Understood.

Back on the "Roof" I go into the little room and see the map. This tells me where things are and the means of getting between them. Not a problem.

Down the "secret steps" and at the tram station. Kinda stuck.

Now some things mentioned about the little 'scope which I've already mentioned:

Looking through it I've read that "something is blocking the view" in many posts.

I've started this whole "age" from scratch and looked at it with minimal alterations of anything but to clear the path to get there - obviously.

The 3 symbols are not obscured.

Looking just up from them I cal see the tram completely at its docking station. Going to the lever and moving it AWAY from me does nothing as the car is already as far away as it can go.

Other things seen are:
Another telescope, the 3 afore mentioned symbols, the tram, steps a big cog and cables which are used to move the tram.
Going a bit wild with the scope I can see the rest of where I am, but nothing really stikes me as "look at this for a clue" kind of material.



Anyway, That aside:
I go to the big red room and up the steps to the controls. Right side first screen. Enter the symbols and press the green button. Things move and I am looking at part of a blue galaxy - for want of a better discription.

Zooming way in does little.

Standing waiting and watching that big red column rotate through all four sides is ^*&^*(& boaring as..... but none of the symbols match the two I entered, and just as a check I keep looking at the screen.

NOTHING chnages, so I'm guessing that the big 'scope is basically pointing at one of the poles.

But putting that aside: I can't see how it helps me.

I'll try again, but it is annoying.

Here are two outright spoilers. Don't read on if you don't want spoilers.



1) Stand outside the red room, facing the entrance. Look up.

2) Go to the place where you can haul the tram. First make sure that it is as far away as possible. Then pull it ONCE towards you. This will make a large wheel turn a bit. Go up to the telescope, and look very carefully - turning the wheel has made something visible that wasn't visible before. You'll need to zoom in to see the details.

Thanks.

I had read/heard about this "Big cog" so when I couldn't find anything new, I knew I was looking in the wrong place.

So I went to the right and left and noticed the new "view" of a pedestal.

Ok, great.

I've been to that "island" and looked through the 'scope there and got the symbols from above the "red room".







I must really be losing my mind. I can't see how all this "fits together".

The first set I got when entered into the big scope didn't really do much and the view through it doesn't really change.

These second ones are similar. The view doesn't change and scanning the big red rod (what else can I call it?) there isn't a match to those two symbols either.

I'm kind of guessing that it must be for the third/fourth set when you get a match and so then you look through at the screen for a "clue".

I've done a run around looking for what has resulted from me entering these new "co-ordinates" but the scope moved is WAY on the other side, and neither of the two small scopes can scan that area.

So as much as I have moved foreward a square, I am still confused as to the "theme" of how it all fits together.


Probably should take a long break and de-stress a bit and try it again later, but any hints would be apprecitated in the mean time.

One pedestal, two scopes...

One pedestal, TWO scopes?

When I get there I am sure that there is only one.

But thanks. I shall have to have another look.

I am probably getting too excited about getting further along and missed the obvious.

Thanks.

shy_kitten, I think what Mr Zebe D may have meant to say is that from the small pillar you have two things to look for with that telescope. Hope this helps. Dave

Sorry for being too cryptic. I was trying to leave a hint without telling you outright.

Through one scope you can see a pedestal with symbol and a pedestal side-on, so you know you need to go to another pillar to see the pedestal at a different angle.

That pedestal is initially obscured by two telescopes which you have to move out of the way just so in the red room.

Sorright.

Since then I have nutted out some things and am 99.9% finished.

Weeeeeeeeee!

(Sorry)



POSSBILE SPOILER BELOW

But just to bounce things off you (any/all) who have gone further than I am.

I get to the "island" with the telescope.
I look back to the set of symbols above "the red room" - this gives me the code to enter in "the red room".

Doing this, I have to then get the next "sign" to get to the other end of the tram cable.

From there, there is a scope but I can't work out what I need to see yet.

Also I get the "sign" for "fast foreward time" which alligns the planets.

Going back to "the red room" I get the FINAL "sign" and am at the "keep".

But I have one symbol missing.

Where am I missing it?

Any nudges/hints?