I don't know where I stand on who has finished and who is stuck.

In Todelmer I am completely missing the third symbol/sign.

So I have "missed" that whole section.

In another game I have done the ice age (sorry can't remember the name) and am now playing the beach age. The one with the rain, and the lab on top of the island.

Funny, I seem to have missed an entire age too.

This age I am now playing has the little extra "thing" sticking off the circle when I am in the age with the bridges. I don't know the importance of the extra "thing" but to me, I'd think it is important for something more than orientation. Dunno.

So I just want to make sure I have not overlooked anything and ask for hints on what I have missed in Toldemer (spelling) for the missing sign/symbol.

I have to say you're not really explaining yourself very well so we can really help you, and please stop littering the board with duplicate posts where you're just looking for bugs in the game... that's not really helpful to anybody.

To try to answer your questions here, in Todelmer, did you advance time? Did you ride the tram? Did you make it to the keep on the other planet?

I have no idea what you're referring to by "extra 'thing' sticking off the circle in the age with the bridges". Do you mean Direbo where you can access all four ages via the four bridges? You have to complete various puzzles in the Great shaft in order to get access to all the bubbles in K'veer. And Esher tells you the name of each age you're in when you get there.

The age with the beach and the dome/lab on top of the cliff is Noloben.

The age with the beach and the creatures and the windmill is Laki'ahn.

The ice age is Taghira.

That's the one. Direbo.

Ok to try and explain myself a bit better.

Since reading the other post I now know I have completed Todelmer.

Done the ice age too.

That means there are only two to go.

Now at......Direbo when I get there the next age is the one with the beach, rain and the lab on top of the island.

So far I have:

Got it to rain - tricky and cute. Got the symbols, but can't find their "match" at the lab with the little rock stumps you turn.

I've got the cave door open.

I have climbed the rope ladder.

I have "walked on water" to the other island. Door still closed.

Found all the "holes in the ground" but don't know what they mean. I've heard of the snake, but haven't seen it.

Any hints?

And I'm guessing there is another age to visit (obviously) and it is to do with the fan I have not yet turned on.


Sorry also but I had a real hassel getting connected this morning as when I tried to connect this "program" INSISTED I get one of these AVATAR things.

Now I am back and it isn't asking me.

Hmmmm....

Have you taken a good look at the big round stone on the top of the island? It has lots of little windows. They may help you to connect the symbols you saw in the bowls and the symbols on the four small stones whose top you can rotate.
You'll find the snakes later on, don't worry.

Thanks.

I was kind of making head way but in the wrong direction and with the wrong information.

Thanks for the hint on the windows/symbols thing.

BTW, I actually did see one snake in one of those clear areas up top but couldn't replicate it, so I am putting it down to dumb luck.

Bye for now.

quote:

Originally posted by Vogelaar:
Have you taken a good look at the big round stone on the top of the island? It has lots of little windows. They may help you to connect the symbols you saw in the bowls and the symbols on the four small stones whose top you can rotate.
You'll find the snakes later on, don't worry.

Ok thanks.

Had a go last night.

Still no luck getting things happening.

But, before any SPOILERS, etc....

Here are some more things I have done - for clarity:

(Anyone not past here look away as this could be considdered a spoiler)











Ok, up the rope ladder and I move to the "cage" front and right. (Gee I hope that is right).

I turn it to the # sign and when I go back to the cave, the rock door is open. So I take it that this is correct.

However, that is it for what I can get done.

Looking in the windows and with the 4 signs/symbols I have from the "rock pool" I can take it that one of them - through looking at the symbol and then ***ociating it with what I see through a window (or the other way around) derives the # which is used to open the door.

With me?

But writing down all the pairs of symbols on the little windows (which push in and disappear) and what I see through the window on the other wall, and then looking back to the mural above the "rock pool" I can't get the crib.

Also I noticed something I didn't the first time which is a bottle on a table which can only be seen from TWO of the windows. This has a symbol on it but the bahro won't accept it as many times as I try.

So I'll put that down to "not yet" kind of thing.




As much as I don't like asking for help, this is annoying me as I am not really getting the "Cyan" way of thinking and although I could sit down and throw every possible combination at it, there are an aweful lot of them.

I'd prefere a bit of ***istnace in understanding "what it all means"....

Thanks in advance.

Giggle.

Oops. Can't spell asistance.

Sorry.


(how do you spell it anyway?)

Yes, you are spelling it correctly. The built-in censorship takes out the first 3 letters of it. a-s-s...

It sounds like you have the right idea for the symbols. Just make the correct ***ociations and you'll know which way to set them on the turning rocks.

And the symbol on the bottle inside is not important.

shy_kitten, after getting the rotating door open in the cave did you follow the p***age? What did you find?

As for the symbols on the windows and inside wall of the large stone building, perhaps drawing a diagram will help. (By the way, does what you see on the plateau remind you of what you saw on the table by the rain symbol?)

Hope this helps. Dave

Well, after getting the door open in the cave, all I found was/were three holes in the ground, a few rocks and I think a airvent/shaft.

Two of the three holes have little white dots in the centre of them.


Now to the "lab" and the "Rock pool". Yes Made that ***ociation that the big rock is the lab and the 4 smaller ones are the "cages"....

But as I have explained although I have made the first one (up the ladder and to the right) set to a # to open the door, back tracking the others is very annoying.


But I'll keep trying.

Thanks.

TTYL

The 15 little windows in the big stone each have a symbol written on them (on the outside). When you open one of the windows, you'll see different symbols written on the inside of the stone. Each symbol on the outside corresponds to a symbol on the inside. Your task is to find out which corresponds to which. This takes a bit of work, use pen and paper.
Once you have done so, think back to the symbols you saw reflected in the bowls after the rain.

quote:

Originally posted by Vogelaar:
The 15 little windows in the big stone each have a symbol written on them (on the outside). When you open one of the windows, you'll see different symbols written on the inside of the stone. Each symbol on the outside corresponds to a symbol on the inside. Your task is to find out which corresponds to which. This takes a bit of work, use pen and paper.
Once you have done so, think back to the symbols you saw reflected in the bowls after the rain.

Granted I have not really played the game much since the last post.

I've got the picture of the canvas with the four bowls (screen shot).

I have flipped it and marked the symbols.

I have also (on a piece of paper) written down the 15 symbols of the windows and what I see through the window/s.

Now, as I have one of the symbols correct (up the ladder and the first one on the right) set to the # which allows me a bit further into the cave, I would of thought that "back enginering" the association would be easy. Aka I have a CRIB for the code.

Well, I am stumped.

If the "result" is a # then somehow the # has to be referenced via the window/s / symbols and the canvas on the beach.

Well, I can see the # but still can't get the method of association.

The symbols which I see (as obvious) are not given on the canvas and/or the stumps which I turn.

So that is a dead end.


I've tried the painful turn one of the other stumps one symbol at a time and see what happens, but as I realised I don't know in what order the stumps reveal their "goodies", so I could have the right code, but it may be for further down the track, and I can't see the effect yet.

Getting kind of frustrated because of this.

Any chance of a hint?

The four symbols you saw reflected in the bowls after the rain correspond to symbols seen through the little windows in the rock on top of the island.
The symbols you see on the "stumps" correspond to the symbols seen on the windows when you close them.
Try to find out how the two sets of symbols relate to each other.

shy_kitten, does what you see on the table (large stone with four bowls around it) remind you of what you find on the plateau? You say that you took a screen shot of the reflected symbols and flipped it. Why? Hope this helps. Dave

P.S. Putting the # sign in the pillar to the right near the rope ladder may have gotten you further through the tunnel, but did it get you to another rotating door or a dead end?

Firstly, sorry if I am rambling. This tiny window makes it difficult for me to see what it is I am writing and keep things in context.

I don't know how others do it.


Ok, Dave first.

I flipped the image because I wasn't sure if the canvas was needed beyond getting the initial four symbols.

So if it was, as they are inverted on the canvas - and just for asthetics - I flipped the picture so the symbols matched the others on the windows/through the windows/anywhere else.

And yes you are correct, it only took me to a dead end. So I am suspicious that this is a "red herring" in some ways, or that I need more/other posts set before I can get further.

This is mentioned again below.


(More ramblings below)


Now, Vogelaar,

Don't get this as I am not agreeing with what you say, but I read what you said and tried it.

It doesn't fit together.

(Ok, anyone who is not past here look away. Big spoilers follow)
















You say I get the symbols I see in the "rock pool/s" and look through the windows to find them.

Ok. The 4 symbols are:

The hash sign.
Two vertical lines.
Two circles inside each other with a hash sign over the top of them.
Two circles with two vertical lines through them.

(I don't have my "cheat sheets" (notes) here with the symbols etc so I am doing all this from memory. Give me a bit of lattitude if I am a bit wrong. You asking me for clarification of my discriptions is ok though.)

Looking through some windows I see more than one symbol on the far wall. This makes it confusing to which one is "the one" I use.

I am erring on the brightest or most easily seen one.

I have reduced all the symbols to about 6 of the windows through which I see the afore mentioned 4 symbols.

The "gimmie" is the # sign on the post/stump/what ever which is to the right when you get off the ladder.

BUT!

The hash symbol window when opened and looking through doesn't show me any of the 4 reference symbols which are from the rock pool/s.



I think this is why I am taking so long to get through this stage.

Or as I said before it is a "red herring" and is distracting me from what is really the answer.

I can't remember what it is I see through that window, and I agree the symbol/s is/are close to one of the reference four, but "no cigar". (close but no.....)

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I've also noticed that if I put I think what I call the snake symbol on that post the door in the cave is partly open.

(the snake symbol: The line with a lump below it on the right side and 3 other circles below the line along it's length.)
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So without telling me the whole story, would it be possible to nudge me a bit more?


I think I had better stop here, as I think I have explained myself enough and may now start to repeat myself for no reason.

Thanks again for the help.

The big rock on top of Noloben has 15 windows. You can open and close each of these windows by clicking on them.

Each window, when closed, shows a symbol on the outside. Walk around the rock clockwise and write down each of these symbols as you go along. These symbols are of the same type as those shown on the rotating tops of the 4 small rocks spread out around the big one.

On the inside of the rock, there is a different symbol above each window. When you open a window by clicking on it, you can see one or two of these symbols by looking through the window. Write down these symbols too, clockwise. These symbols are of the same type as those you saw reflected in the four bowls after the rain.

By opening and closing windows judiciously, and by counting carefully, you can find out which symbol on the outside of a window corresponds to which symbol above the window on the inside.

Once you have done so, you can "translate" the four symbols from the bowls to their counterparts. You will need the translated symbols for the four small rocks with rotating tops.

shy_kitten, another point, don't worry about the symbols on the wall behind the table on the beach. You only need to make note of the four that you see reflected in the water in the four bowls and their relative positions.

Again, have you made any connection between the stone and stone bowls on the table (and their relative positions) and what you've found on the plateau?

Dave

P.S. As for the dead end being a red herring, the passage through the plug is curved, does this suggest something to you?

I am not sure which is the accepted way of quoting: top or bottom.

I'll go for top. Saves you scrolling past what you have already said.

Appart from going Anti-clockwise, I have done what you said.

New piece of paper.

Ok, so how you discribe it, seems I am on the right track.

I'm just a bit confused about the word: "judiciously" when you are talking of opening the windows.

But, I'll have a go and see what happens.

Thanks much for the info.

quote:

Originally posted by Vogelaar:
The big rock on top of Noloben has 15 windows. You can open and close each of these windows by clicking on them.

Each window, when closed, shows a symbol on the outside. Walk around the rock clockwise and write down each of these symbols as you go along. These symbols are of the same type as those shown on the rotating tops of the 4 small rocks spread out around the big one.

On the inside of the rock, there is a different symbol above each window. When you open a window by clicking on it, you can see one or two of these symbols by looking through the window. Write down these symbols too, clockwise. These symbols are of the same type as those you saw reflected in the four bowls after the rain.

By opening and closing windows judiciously, and by counting carefully, you can find out which symbol on the outside of a window corresponds to which symbol above the window on the inside.

Once you have done so, you can "translate" the four symbols from the bowls to their counterparts. You will need the translated symbols for the four small rocks with rotating tops.

Hi Dave.

Ok thanks. I was only mentioning it to clarify what I had/not done and why. (Going barmy in the mean time trying to get all four in the right place.)

Anyway,

Yes I understand the 5 rocks are the 5 points on the top of the island. Though how the 4 smaller ones are identified is still illuding me.

I was hoping to get a fix on one of them and use it as a starting point. The one to which I keep refering is only because I was "lucky" enough that when I was playing that the # symbol opened a bit more walkway.

The "curved passage" implies to me that the passages spin/rotate when I turn the posts up top.

Exactly how is not important I guess.

Anwyay, when I next find time I shall try to apply some of this new knowledge to the situation.

Thanks much again.

quote:

Originally posted by Dave_McB:
shy_kitten, another point, don't worry about the symbols on the wall behind the table on the beach. You only need to make note of the four that you see reflected in the water in the four bowls and their relative positions.

Again, have you made any connection between the stone and stone bowls on the table (and their relative positions) and what you've found on the plateau?

Dave

P.S. As for the dead end being a red herring, the passage through the plug is curved, does this suggest something to you?

shy_kitten, if you stand in front of the table and make your position South and the other side of the table North then, stand at the top of the rope ladder and make that position South and the other side of the plateau North, can you relate the positions of the symbols you see in the bowls with the pillars (with the turnable tops) on the plateau? Will this help to determine which symbol relates to which pillar.

Also, if the path through the plug is curved (and therefore has two openings), you can get to two passages depending on whether the plug is turned so that the path curves to the right or left.

Dave