Well, seeing that Conviction takes place after double agent, how will the team go along with the game, without making several parts to it?

In DA, you are given the option to kill or protect Lambert in the JBA Hq. This could drastically change the storyline and plot in the next game. Also, At teh end of DA, Sam retires from the NSA, and in the process of all of the problems that come up in the game, the NSA is trying to hunt down Sam. It would only make sense for this to be a huge part of the plot. Whats your take on SC:C?

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SCC has a whole different storyline and it isnt really continuing the story from SCDA. Confirmed from devs.

The game next in the storyline after DA isn't ConViction, it's Essentials.

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Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
The game next in the storyline after DA isn't ConViction, it's Essentials.

Yes SCC will be way after DA events but even in Essentials you HAD to kill Lambart so anyhow SCDA is somewhat uncompleted and more actually can't be completed...and therefore SCC won't have any reference to DA events...

Actually no it follows perfectly.

SCDA: Sam joins JBA and at the end escapes NSA. Lambert is the only one who knows Sam is NOC.

SCE: NSA detains Sam at Sarahs grave side as they knew he would be there on that particular day as it is the anniversary of Sarah's death. He in interrogated and accused of murdering Lambert and escapes. Grimmsdottir finds evidence of Sam's innocence and burns it to a disk, which Williams knows she's done and threatens her to give it back, which she does. Sam gets the disk back.

At the beginning of SC:C the reason why Sam is back in the NSA is because his innocence was proven when he recovered the disk. The fact that Grimsdottir knows that Williams is crooked and tried to expose him...as well as assisted Sam in breaking into the NSA...could that possibly be why she is in trouble?

Also, the reason why you have to kill Lambert in Essentials is that the levels with the exception of the NSA mission is what is being told to the NSA. The NSA thinks that Sam killed Lambert...hence that's how you had to play it.

Interesting... Although it does seem that E does pick up after DA, and if you killed Lambert in DA,why would you have to do it again in essentials?

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Originally posted by Shadow_Agent1:
Interesting... Although it does seem that E does pick up after DA, and if you killed Lambert in DA,why would you have to do it again in essentials?

In SCE, the mission where you killed Lambert was a flashback mission, so it already happened. So you're not killing him again.

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Originally posted by MKCC14:
SCC has a whole different storyline and it isnt really continuing the story from SCDA. Confirmed from devs.

WTF? so what IS it continueing from then exactly?

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Originally posted by rtm1137:

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Originally posted by MKCC14:
SCC has a whole different storyline and it isnt really continuing the story from SCDA. Confirmed from devs.

WTF? so what IS it continueing from then exactly?

Right now, we dont really know, but from what has been told of what happens in SCC it is a brand new story.

Well I know in star wars knights of the old republic two they have a character you played in the last game come up and you choose hwat you did in the last game to dictate what happens in the sequal pretty clever but I think That could work here.

..and where would that leave people who are new to the series or didn't play the last game?

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Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
Also, the reason why you have to kill Lambert in Essentials is that the levels with the exception of the NSA mission is what is being told to the NSA. The NSA thinks that Sam killed Lambert...hence that's how you had to play it.

I think you may just be reading a little too much into this bit...

Actually considering where I got that info, I don't think I am.

It's really very strange... The first three games were in a perfect line... Then along came DA, a game that was doing well, but lacked a story line as exciting as the others. There were several choices to be made in the game that were very dramatic, but left following games almost impossible. Now, with SCE being almost as complicated, yet another game is coming... Either there will have to be several games in one, there were so many controvercies in the two games before it, it should have ended with DA, saying in the end that Sam retired etc... I'am very excited about the new game coming out, but sceptical of it's plot and structre...

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Originally posted by Shadow_Agent1:Then along came DA, a game that was doing well, but lacked a story line as exciting as the others. There were several choices to be made in the game that were very dramatic, but left following games almost impossible.

They made a non-linear plotline for a game. It's not exactly a new idea. You just have to accept that they will have picked one of the possible outcomes when it comes to making the sequel, or done something very clever (as in KOTOR 2) and have you pick what you did and let the game know.

Most devs just pick a final outcome for the preceding game and write the sequel based on that chosen outcome. As a player, you just accept that outcome - you've probably played every possible conclusion if you've played through DA several times - as the final one.

Jackie, I've got a question. Is Essentials officially SC canon? As it only came out for PSP, I always assumed it was a bit of a stand-alone spin-off, but reading your post, it seems to tie into the overriding plot in a major way. Are the events of Essentials canon for the SC series?

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Originally posted by AgentXVII:

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Originally posted by Shadow_Agent1:Then along came DA, a game that was doing well, but lacked a story line as exciting as the others. There were several choices to be made in the game that were very dramatic, but left following games almost impossible.

They made a non-linear plotline for a game. It's not exactly a new idea. You just have to accept that they will have picked one of the possible outcomes when it comes to making the sequel, or done something very clever (as in KOTOR 2) and have you pick what you did and let the game know.

Most devs just pick a final outcome for the preceding game and write the sequel based on that chosen outcome. As a player, you just accept that outcome - you've probably played every possible conclusion if you've played through DA several times - as the final one.

Jackie, I've got a question. Is Essentials officially SC canon? As it only came out for PSP, I always assumed it was a bit of a stand-alone spin-off, but reading your post, it seems to tie into the overriding plot in a major way. Are the events of Essentials canon for the SC series?

Sorry, I've always wanted to use that smiley

But yeah, I echo AgentXVII's ideas and questions from that post.

Haven't you guys heard about sequels that just "accept" one part of the prequels storyline?

Take C&C as an example - it is a RTS game and it's SP storyline revolves around the wars of 2 factions - GDI and NOD. Each game has a campaign for both factions and each campaign has a different ending. In the sequel, the developers just pick one of the storylines and move on with it. The rest are just an extra. The way things could have happened, but didn't.
(Note: C&C3 is an exception. The campaigns there follow the same storyline, just through different POVs)

Another example - Prince of Persia: Warrior Within has 2 endings. Ubisoft just picked one of them and continued the story.

So to sum it up - the game is not real, it's story is modelled by it's creators and they have the right to say what happened in the prequels and what didn't. What choice you made when you were pointing a gun at Lambert doesn't matter; the dev's have the right to say what Sam did in that particular situation, because it is their character - not yours.

Alternate endings = replay value. One should realise that there is no way that a sequel can evolve each of the prequels endings.
Well, it was possible in KOTOR2, but that's a HUUUUUUUGE game and it's storyline works a little different from SC.

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Originally posted by AgentXVII:

Jackie, I've got a question. Is Essentials officially SC canon? As it only came out for PSP, I always assumed it was a bit of a stand-alone spin-off, but reading your post, it seems to tie into the overriding plot in a major way. Are the events of Essentials canon for the SC series?

Essentials is not a "stand alone" game. It does fit into the current storyline, picking up one year to the day after Sarahs death. There are plot points that include A.D. Williams, Lamberts notes about what Sam is doing and explains what could possibly have Grimsdottir in trouble, which we know is what brings Sam out of hiding.

If DA had not been delayed this would all make more sense. DA was supposed to be released first, then Essentials. But when the delays kept happening Essentials was released first and it ruined a lot of things..like the so called "death" of Lambert etc.

So let us have Essentials for the Xbox/360 before ConViction is released, to fill in the gaps!

I wouldn't even care if the graphics were old gen or poor, just let me play it on my preferred console...

I'm not gonna buy me a psp for just one game... maybe I'll read a walkthrough for it to catch up with the story...