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Originally posted by matt01992k9:
i just read another post on this forum and i was thinking back to my old and VERY FOND memories of the original splinter cell format and games....

totally bad@ss. especially the very first one. where you are hearing about grinko the whole game then you finally fight him in this awesome battle. this bad@ss US spy battling this bad@ss russian mercenary

ive been playing games for 20 years.

one sad reality that i learned is... franchises die, you just have to face it. and its always the developers fault. all of my favorite games, all the awesome games get killed by the developers stupidity.

"well with double agent we were tired of the old format so we wanted to try something new"

"well we are tired of the old format so we want to try something new. moving through crowds, a different kind of stealth"

Let me ask you something UBISOFT, what made you a multi-million dollar company.... ????

was it "advanced warfighting" ?? NO

was it "sam fisher being locked in jail and moving through crowds and dropping cell phones" ???? NO

it was GHOST RECON AND SPLINTER CELL. NOT DOUBLE AGENT, NOT CONVICTION NOT ADVANCED WARFIGHTER

think of how you got here, and think of the direction you are going now. PEOPLE ARE PISSED.

in 5 years ubisoft will be another midway or atari, or maybe even interplay


it doesnt make any sense. you have a format that everyone loves and makes you hugely successful and you want to go and change that.

pure stupidity.

mark my words... it wont be this year, it wont be next year, but in the next few, this comopany will go down.

UBISOFT used to fill in that niche of technical gameplay and quality games from quality studios. as a PUBLISHER. now they buy the studios and try and influence devs and they ruin everything the studios took so long to build.

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Originally posted by matt01992k9:
i just read another post on this forum and i was thinking back to my old and VERY FOND memories of the original splinter cell format and games....

totally bad@ss. especially the very first one. where you are hearing about grinko the whole game then you finally fight him in this awesome battle. this bad@ss US spy battling this bad@ss russian mercenary

quote:

Originally posted by matt01992k9:
i just read another post on this forum and i was thinking back to my old and VERY FOND memories of the original splinter cell format and games....

totally bad@ss. especially the very first one. where you are hearing about grinko the whole game then you finally fight him in this awesome battle. this bad@ss US spy battling this bad@ss russian mercenary

ive been playing games for 20 years.

one sad reality that i learned is... franchises die, you just have to face it. and its always the developers fault. all of my favorite games, all the awesome games get killed by the developers stupidity.

"well with double agent we were tired of the old format so we wanted to try something new"

"well we are tired of the old format so we want to try something new. moving through crowds, a different kind of stealth"

Let me ask you something UBISOFT, what made you a multi-million dollar company.... ????

was it "advanced warfighting" ?? NO

was it "sam fisher being locked in jail and moving through crowds and dropping cell phones" ???? NO

it was GHOST RECON AND SPLINTER CELL. NOT DOUBLE AGENT, NOT CONVICTION NOT ADVANCED WARFIGHTER

think of how you got here, and think of the direction you are going now. PEOPLE ARE PISSED.

in 5 years ubisoft will be another midway or atari, or maybe even interplay


it doesnt make any sense. you have a format that everyone loves and makes you hugely successful and you want to go and change that.

pure stupidity.

mark my words... it wont be this year, it wont be next year, but in the next few, this comopany will go down.

UBISOFT used to fill in that niche of technical gameplay and quality games from quality studios. as a PUBLISHER. now they buy the studios and try and influence devs and they ruin everything the studios took so long to build.

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Zherkezhi..... is that some kind of dried meat?

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Originally posted by Black-S:

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Originally posted by matt01992k9:
i just read another post on this forum and i was thinking back to my old and VERY FOND memories of the original splinter cell format and games....

totally bad@ss. especially the very first one. where you are hearing about grinko the whole game then you finally fight him in this awesome battle. this bad@ss US spy battling this bad@ss russian mercenary

ive been playing games for 20 years.

one sad reality that i learned is... franchises die, you just have to face it. and its always the developers fault. all of my favorite games, all the awesome games get killed by the developers stupidity.

"well with double agent we were tired of the old format so we wanted to try something new"

"well we are tired of the old format so we want to try something new. moving through crowds, a different kind of stealth"

Let me ask you something UBISOFT, what made you a multi-million dollar company.... ????

was it "advanced warfighting" ?? NO

was it "sam fisher being locked in jail and moving through crowds and dropping cell phones" ???? NO

it was GHOST RECON AND SPLINTER CELL. NOT DOUBLE AGENT, NOT CONVICTION NOT ADVANCED WARFIGHTER

think of how you got here, and think of the direction you are going now. PEOPLE ARE PISSED.

in 5 years ubisoft will be another midway or atari, or maybe even interplay


it doesnt make any sense. you have a format that everyone loves and makes you hugely successful and you want to go and change that.

pure stupidity.

mark my words... it wont be this year, it wont be next year, but in the next few, this comopany will go down.

UBISOFT used to fill in that niche of technical gameplay and quality games from quality studios. as a PUBLISHER. now they buy the studios and try and influence devs and they ruin everything the studios took so long to build.

Yes you are right franchises do die and that it is the one thing you have right. Franchises only survive if there is a change. Otherwise it becomes the same old thing just redone. Obviously you oppose the new direction and thats fine, but you are writing off Conviction as a complete failure based on 5mins of gameplay footage. Developers are also to blame for not changing gamplay mechanics and that is why the series do eventually fail.

Ubisoft Montreal developed Splinter Cell, they developed Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and they are developing Splinter Cell Conviction. Conviction is not the result of Ubisoft gobbling up some other developer and forcing their ideas on them. Franchises die because they do not keep up with the time, the rapid change of technology, the storyline of the series, the change in gameplay trends etc. There are probably hundreds of reasons why they change and its not stupidity all the time.

Take Half-Life for example. Half-Life 2 was completely and utterly different from the first one. Sure Half-Life 2 still had Gordon Freeman, still was in the first person perspective and a first person shooter but everything had changed. There was no Black Mesa any more, there was no more anything like we knew from Half-Life 1. Half-Life Episode 2 is even changing the mechanics again from Half-Life 2. Half-Life is still one of the most successful series because of the changes made.

The point I am trying to make is that you can completely change a series' gameplay mechanics yet still keep the series alive and successful through careful design and implementation of technology and through storyline and character development. Not only will this attract some of the old fans of the series but also YES bring in the new fans to the series.

I like the change. I have read the books, played all the SC games countless times and look forward to the change and I personally think that Ubisoft Montreal will deliver something fantastic based on their track record of delivering top notch games with storylines.

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Originally posted by matt01992k9:
in 5 years ubisoft will be another midway or atari, or maybe even interplay

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"Tonight's forecast...dark."

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Franchises come to an end.... or rather.... they SHOULD come to an end.

\\ YouTube \\ My Splinter Cell walkthroughs \\ Ruska Szkoła (Russian School)

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Originally posted by Aj6627:
Bingo!
DA should have ended it, but Ubi is too greedy.

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
@matt01992k9

I don't think there has been one ultimate series in Ubisoft's history which made it a multi-million-dollar company (although I'm definitely a hardcore Tom Clancy Fan). I think each title as well as each genre developed and sold so far, contributed a bit to the success of Ubisoft.

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
@matt01992k9

I don't think there has been one ultimate series in Ubisoft's history which made it a multi-million-dollar company (although I'm definitely a hardcore Tom Clancy Fan - just ask my colleagues). I think each title as well as each genre developed and sold so far, contributed a bit to the success of Ubisoft. Our devs tried something new, something that hasn't been done before instead of creating soulless sequels with a different number or a different title on it.

So to answer your question, I believe innovation as well as the talent of the people behind it, is what made Ubisoft a multi-million-dollar company and in order to create some innovative games (like Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Assassins Creed, EndWar but also like Beyond Good & Evil, Prince of Persia, Silent Hunter, Rayman, Far Cry, The Settlers etc.), you'll have to accept, that innovation always comes with a risk. If you don't risk something, you won't gain something!

That's my personal opinion.