I've been a Splinter Cell fan ever since the first game. It was one of the most breathtaking concepts I've ever played - lurking in the shadows while quietly taking out enemies, completing objects, and enjoying the humorous dialog. Pandora Tomorrow was next and while most people hated it, I thought it brought some more original concepts to the table - the concept of a multiplayer where one team is in first person and the other is in third person. It had never been done before and I was glad originality still existed in video games. After that followed Chaos Theory where we got another original piece of content - the CoOp and superior gameplay.

It was then when the series took a narrow split (literally) - Double Agent. Two different games on several different consoles - why? I'll never know. But I will tell you this - I enjoyed what Shanghai did by taking Sam out the shadows. It was a really good "break" for the series. Meanwhile, on the Xbox, Montreal released the "true" sequel to Chaos Theory and it was a whole lot better complete with the entire "plot", Chaos Theory CoOp, and overall better gameplay experience. Though Double Agent on Xbox failed because no one knew it was a completely different game thus not a lot of people bought it thinking it was just an inferior port of the Xbox 360 Double Agent.

So after Double Agent, what are we left with? The fans demanding one thing - that the series get back on track with keeping Sam in the shadows and that Montreal make the next game. But that isn't going to happen due to the fact that Sam isn't a spy anymore which essentially says that this isn't a Splinter Cell game anymore. You see, Conviction would have been another great change-of-pace if it followed a true "Splinter Cell" in-the-dark Montreal game. But it seems that we might not even get that this generation - Conviction is released, Shanghai makes the sequel and by that time Xbox3 and PS4 is ready to come out. *sighs* No true Splinter Cell in-the-dark Montreal game this generation.

Nevertheless I'll be getting this game.

Thanks for your opinions Perfect. Can you please explain why your getting the game though? You said it yourself that it wasn't the same Splinter Cell you grew up with.

Well I'm not really gonna jump ship on a series that I enjoyed and played for so much. Whether it's going to be good, bad, or just average, I'll buy it, play it, and judge it for myself. Montreal has yet to make a Splinter Cell game below "great." So, I guess I kinda owe them that much.

Don't forget that they are working for your business, not the other way around. You don't OWE Ubisoft anything since you already payed them for your games.

I payed them for all my games too but they didn't see fit to provide me with a working product for the $50 spent on Double Agent PC.

Its the idea and the time. Its insult to injury.

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Originally posted by ThePerfectSim07:
Well I'm not really gonna jump ship on a series that I enjoyed and played for so much. Whether it's going to be good, bad, or just average, I'll buy it, play it, and judge it for myself. Montreal has yet to make a Splinter Cell game below "great." So, I guess I kinda owe them that much.

If you, and all the other people in your position, decide to buy, Ubi will make more money and they will see no reason to return to L&S.

I dont think people realise that if you buy the game then your supporting it. UBI will look at the sales and say "Hey, not bad, lets keep the style of play". They don't look at reason for purchase just how many have been sold. My little protest is that I won't buy the game in hope that a load of people don't and then L&S gets reinstated.

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Originally posted by Tidenburg:
I dont think people realise that if you buy the game then your supporting it. UBI will look at the sales and say "Hey, not bad, lets keep the style of play". They don't look at reason for purchase just how many have been sold. My little protest is that I won't buy the game in hope that a load of people don't and then L&S gets reinstated.

So true. I'm not even doubting. Conviction is a pure lost sale with me. Simple economics : supply & demand ; Ubi doesn't supply my consumer wish, so i won't have demand for the product they will have in supply.

And since the power of a big company > sole individual consumer ; i can only have some say, by not buying into their Conviction product.

For me, the situation is a bit more clear because I don't have Xbox360(anymore) nor PS3 atm ; the games will help decide which to get ; if Sc5 would be the type of game i anticipate i would surely get Xbox360.... but since that not the case, MGS4 is surely the superior stealth experience to me , thus i will get PS3.

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Originally posted by ThePerfectSim07:
Montreal has yet to make a Splinter Cell game below "great."

Ah, but is SCC really a SC game?

Oh well then I guess you guys are right. Might give it a rental first.

Perfect, I'll be frank. When I saw Conviction I was excited too. But I was also worried because of the crappy street fighting Sam did the guards. What would help is if we got some goddamned updated information.

For me, I think this game looks really good! It's different and I'm kinda sad to see so much changed but I have 4 and a half (got DA on both xbox & 360 and the 360 version is still partly a L&S game imo) games of sneaking around, hiding in shadows, staying out of the light and grabbing guys from behind so it's nice to have a change. Most games end after 3 games to avoid redundancy and, imo, I would take a somewhat changed splinter cell compared to an ended splinter cell any day.

I do understand everyone's anger toward the change but I suggest trying the game before judging, you may end up loving it, who knows. I loved DA and I loved Assassins Creed, I've always loved this style of game so I have almost no doubt in my mind that I'll love this game but I don't know for sure, I'll just have to try it to find out. Like perfect, I think everyone who has doubts should rent it instead of buying it. Who knows, you may love it!

I would agree with you except for the fact that I don't. Hehe I wont play this game unless there is L/S. And I am sure there are very many who don't even bother with these forums because they don't see a point in talking about it. For every one person who is here saying this change sucks there are prob. a few thousand that agree but don't bother to post about it.

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Originally posted by Tidenburg:
I dont think people realise that if you buy the game then your supporting it. UBI will look at the sales and say "Hey, not bad, lets keep the style of play". They don't look at reason for purchase just how many have been sold. My little protest is that I won't buy the game in hope that a load of people don't and then L&S gets reinstated.

Then we would still be playing L/S Splinter Cell
Or then sales for L/S are going down because people want something new

Seriously that big protest is just absurd. Renting or buying from sale would be believable. There's always people and thoughts saying its all business and corporations cheating, making **** and not caring about anything else but money. Sure its good to question and protest when something is wrong, but come on. That sounds just close minded, "I want the old game and that's it" Old games were brilliant but next can be much better, old style game could be just better at best. Sure old game could have evolved in baby steps towards perfection, but would they all be worth 70€? Not every FIFA is worth it althought they evolve. Now Ubi is doing the other end of same game and so next game can be mix of best parts of the two. There's no idea what will happen after Conviction. What happens to Splinter Cell and where will it end. If you hate the game Conviction seems to be then just consider SC dead, game that ended after DA, or after CT.

Nothing will ever please anyone. The way of old games before DA would make me wonder is this short and slightly altered game worth this. While new way makes some peple think this is not Splinter Cell. DA was amazing jumping platform to new way and there's really no going back without cramping the entire series and saying it was just a dream. Like Tomb Raider, amazing till end of Chronicles. Then we should have forgotten everything when game became set unfitting pieces. So far Splinter Cell hasn't suffered the same fate.

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Originally posted by kalle90:

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Originally posted by Tidenburg:
I dont think people realise that if you buy the game then your supporting it. UBI will look at the sales and say "Hey, not bad, lets keep the style of play". They don't look at reason for purchase just how many have been sold. My little protest is that I won't buy the game in hope that a load of people don't and then L&S gets reinstated.

Then we would still be playing L/S Splinter Cell
Or then sales for L/S are going down because people want something new

Or Ubi spent a lot on AC and needed a backup plan in case it didn't sell.

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:

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Originally posted by kalle90:

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Originally posted by Tidenburg:
I dont think people realise that if you buy the game then your supporting it. UBI will look at the sales and say "Hey, not bad, lets keep the style of play". They don't look at reason for purchase just how many have been sold. My little protest is that I won't buy the game in hope that a load of people don't and then L&S gets reinstated.

Then we would still be playing L/S Splinter Cell
Or then sales for L/S are going down because people want something new

Or Ubi spent a lot on AC and needed a backup plan in case it didn't sell.

AC has sold very well and has gotten good reviews too, atleast what I've seen. Conviction can just be better.

If AC would've sucked why would have Ubi made Splinter Cell version of it and advertise it such strongly? Old way SC might have been better seller, and certainly more reliable plan.

AC sold more than they expected, it became the fastest-selling new videogame in the U.S.

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Originally posted by kalle90:

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:

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Originally posted by kalle90:
Then we would still be playing L/S Splinter Cell
Or then sales for L/S are going down because people want something new

Or Ubi spent a lot on AC and needed a backup plan in case it didn't sell.

AC has sold very well and has gotten good reviews too, atleast what I've seen. Conviction can just be better.

If AC would've sucked why would have Ubi made Splinter Cell version of it and advertise it such strongly? Old way SC might have been better seller, and certainly more reliable plan.

Both games have/had been in development for years. They had no idea how AC would end up when they started.
It's not like they decided to make SCC about crowds after AC did well.

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:

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Originally posted by kalle90:

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:

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Originally posted by kalle90:
Then we would still be playing L/S Splinter Cell
Or then sales for L/S are going down because people want something new

Or Ubi spent a lot on AC and needed a backup plan in case it didn't sell.

AC has sold very well and has gotten good reviews too, atleast what I've seen. Conviction can just be better.

If AC would've sucked why would have Ubi made Splinter Cell version of it and advertise it such strongly? Old way SC might have been better seller, and certainly more reliable plan.

Both games have/had been in development for years. They had no idea how AC would end up when they started.
It's not like they decided to make SCC about crowds after AC did well.

Yea, i just used wrong timewhatever I meant that when Ubi started to make AC and doubted its success why would have they made Splinter Cell using same basic? Old time Splinter Cell would have been much better backup plan.

To me it sounds they took double risk. Which seems to be paying out. AC as good first test of gameplay and then bring that redone, fixed and polished to 5th installation of worldwide success, The Splinter Cell.

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Originally posted by kalle90:
Yea, i just used wrong timewhatever I meant that when Ubi started to make AC and doubted its success why would have they made Splinter Cell using same basic? Old time Splinter Cell would have been much better backup plan.

To me it sounds they took double risk. Which seems to be paying out. AC as good first test of gameplay and then bring that redone, fixed and polished to 5th installation of worldwide success, The Splinter Cell.

It is the two birds, one stone thing.

They spent a LOT of money on AC. To cover their butts (can we say "butt" on here? LoL), they decided to copy some big features over to an established franchise. It would have been a bigger risk to develop two new games with the same features, but they figure, the SC's sell.
It shouldn't have been a problem, except the AI is pretty lousy, especially for a much more stealth-oriented game. So, now they're probably paying for it. Boohoo.

In any case, it's pretty standard.

Oh, and technically speaking, SCC will be the seventh SC game.