Let me get this straight... you are trying to defend the inclusion of the sunglasses? Wow

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Originally posted by EskimoBob32:
Let me get this straight... you are trying to defend the inclusion of the sunglasses? Wow

He is just stating the usefulness it had in the game. It wasnt there just to make Sam look pretty.

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Originally posted by marinius:
The up-button would be Rage Mode, allowing Sam to knock out a dozen cops at a time.

This is exactly why I want Ubi to stop making Splinter Cell games.

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Originally posted by Tidenburg:
What I dont get is why, if Sam had these super vision powers all along, he ever actually needed the night vision goggles!?
Or maybe he gained those powers in conviction by getting struck by lightening or maybe that black guy in the trailer is some kind of warlock!!!!

OMG DRAMATIC PLOT TWIST

Im just gonna tell myself that's because Sam is a good hero opposing entire government in a free will. Plus I myself have always tried to do good on there games.

So there's no real problem. Sure, unrealistic, but so was NV view in 3rd person view. Sam's just a hero.

#1 rip off Farcry
#2 rip off AC
#3 add ability to throw and move more ****
#4 lose respect and loyalty of fans every where
=SCC

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Originally posted by MKCC14:

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Originally posted by EskimoBob32:
Let me get this straight... you are trying to defend the inclusion of the sunglasses? Wow

He is just stating the usefulness it had in the game. It wasnt there just to make Sam look pretty.

Actually, they were. You can always turn down the brightness on your TV / monitor if you need to.

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Originally posted by soron:
#1 rip off Farcry

?

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#2 rip off AC

You do know that the development of SCC started WAAAAAY before AC and that not even the genre is the same?

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#3 add ability to throw and move more ****

In other words, every game with a physics engine is according to your definition a SCC?

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#4 lose respect and loyalty of fans every where

We'll see.

Vth_F_Smith_ nice reply!!!

It's bad enough people are calling SCC & AC the same game but to call SCC a rip off of AC?!!! If anything, AC ripped off SCC! SC fans should be hating on AC for doing that, not SCC! Heck there should be no hating on anything cause they are not the same game! If they are the same game, then every flippin racing game is the same. They all have cars and they all race...OMG what rip off artists!

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Originally posted by go_clo:
Heck there should be no hating on anything cause they are not the same game!

Exactly!

You could be upset that you havent seen any L&S gameplay in the footage of the game, but going to lenghts as calling the game a rip-off? Now you're just looking for excuses to be more mad at the development of the game.

Development of SCC started after SCCT was finished...before it was even released actually.

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:

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Originally posted by soron:
#1 rip off Farcry

?

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#2 rip off AC

You do know that the development of SCC started WAAAAAY before AC and that not even the genre is the same?

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#3 add ability to throw and move more ****

In other words, every game with a physics engine is according to your definition a SCC?

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#4 lose respect and loyalty of fans every where

We'll see.

1st they ripped off Farcry with "hero vision"
2nd as far as SCC being dev before AC IDK but if it was then they sure are taking their sweet time with it considering AC came out way before SCC will. Even if it is the other way around it "crowd stealth" still sucks as a main concept for a game, it should be no more than a small addition to help get through lighted areas not the whole focus of the game. And no I never said any thing about a physics engine being a rip off, but now you mention it its been done by Valve already so you could say they ripped off them. I see nothing in this game that has not been done before. And as for the last thing yes we will see... It just it just makes me mad when ppl keep saying this is a new concept and that this series needs some thing new. Yes these thing are new to the series but they have been done before and are not ground breaking new ideas. Even crowd stealth has been done by Hitman to some extent.

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Originally posted by soron:
1st they ripped off Farcry with "hero vision"

Have you seen it? No? Well how do you know it's gonna be like the one in Far Cry then? How do you even know it's still there? It couldn't have made it into the Alpha or Beta or whatever stage they're in right now.

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Even if it is the other way around it "crowd stealth" still sucks as a main concept for a game, it should be no more than a small addition to help get through lighted areas not the whole focus of the game.

How do you know it's not going to be a addition? C'mon you have even seen the screenshots of Sam inside the building yourself. Now where's the crowd? I couldn't see any. It's not the whole focus of the game, it's a gameplay mechanic, just like the distraction, the use of physics and the optional aggressive interactions.

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And no I never said any thing about a physics engine being a rip off, but now you mention it its been done by Valve already so you could say they ripped off them.

With all due respect, now you're getting really ridiculous. Valve has used Physics before yes (like a dozen game companies before and after them), but Sam won't get a gravity gun, plus physics are totally different handled in this game. According to the concept you'll be able to use every object in your surroundings with the stealth, the normal and the aggressive button, which results in totally different actions. Not to mention, it's not even the same genre.

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Yes these thing are new to the series but they have been done before and are not ground breaking new ideas.

Ok, then what was the name of the game which enabled you to use all objects in your surroundings as tool, weapon or simply like they're supposed to be used?

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Even crowd stealth has been done by Hitman to some extent.

The crowd in Hitman does not even have a real collission detection - if you look at 47th's arms when he walks through the crowd then you see his arms are passing through their arms (the crowd in AC does have a proper collission detection) - it has literally NO effect whatsoever on the gameplay in Hitman - it's just there to look nice. And don't even think there's a stealth trigger attached to it. The engine only checks if you're wearing a uniform / suit of a dead body that hasn't been found yet and are in the line of sight of an NPC, that's all. That not even comes near the crowd mechanic concept in SCC because there's simply no interaction at all in Hitman, except walking through it.

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Originally posted by MKCC14:
Now you're just looking for excuses to be more mad at the development of the game.

I get the feeling you might be right!

BTW: If he doesn't like the game at all, why is he still posting here? Hmmm...

That was pretty weird to me in Hitman, you just walk through the crowd and push them aside and they didnt notice at all. The crowd was just there to make the level look pretty. Here is a non-crowd level:




I know CoastalGirl will definitely hate to see this:

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Originally posted by MKCC14:
I know CoastalGirl will definitely hate to see this:

LoL Can I carry the table with me? Like Snake and his oil drum? "Equipping table!"

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
LoL Can I carry the table with me? Like Snake and his oil drum? "Equipping table!"

Uhm, no not really. Also you most likely won't be able to hide below a cardboard box with the text "No place to hide" on it, but I'm not sure if there won't be any high glossy magazines to uh..."distract" the enemy!

Although...I have my doubts!

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
LoL Can I carry the table with me? Like Snake and his oil drum? "Equipping table!"

Uhm, no not really. Also you most likely won't be able to hide below a cardboard box with the text "No place to hide" on it, but I'm not sure if there won't be any high glossy magazines to uh..."distract" the enemy!

Although...I have my doubts!

Tease!!!

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
LoL Can I carry the table with me? Like Snake and his oil drum? "Equipping table!"

Uhm, no not really. Also you most likely won't be able to hide below a cardboard box with the text "No place to hide" on it, but I'm not sure if there won't be any high glossy magazines to uh..."distract" the enemy!

Although...I have my doubts!

Tease!!!

Uhm....*thinks of a very intelligent counter-strategy only known by very experienced Captains*

"Look, behind you - a threeheaded monkey!" *runs off*

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:

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Originally posted by soron:
Even if it is the other way around it "crowd stealth" still sucks as a main concept for a game, it should be no more than a small addition to help get through lighted areas not the whole focus of the game.

How do you know it's not going to be a addition? C'mon you have even seen the screenshots of Sam inside the building yourself. Now where's the crowd? I couldn't see any. It's not the whole focus of the game, it's a gameplay mechanic, just like the distraction, the use of physics and the optional aggressive interactions.

Exactly! I even read in an article today written by someone who had seen 2 different levels of the game that said exactly that. The creators are only hyping the crowd thing up so much because it is something soooo new to SC. In the previous games, they made every excuse possible to avoid having to create a crowd for Sam to deal with. The few times you came across a civilian, interaction was limited to 2 things: Walking past or knocking out. Everyone at ubi is just so thrilled that now, not only were they able to create a crowd that Sam will have to get into, but also interact with.

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:

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Originally posted by soron:
Yes these thing are new to the series but they have been done before and are not ground breaking new ideas.

Ok, then what was the name of the game which enabled you to use all objects in your surroundings as tool, weapon or simply like they're supposed to be used?

Oh yes, please tell me cause I for one have been looking and waiting for a game that made you able to do such things FOREVER and I had no such luck!

I don't really see the point of this conversation. Either you want L&S gameplay in SCC, which is not new, or you want the new gameplay, which as pointed out is not that new, or you want something else, in which case I don't know why you are here. If the only groundbreaking new feature in SCC is the ability to pick up anything and use it as a weapon, they are focusing their efforts into all the wrong areas, as the combat system shows. This is a stealth game. The more emphasis you put on action, be it compulsory or optional, the more the stealth suffers.

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:

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Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
Tease!!!

Uhm....*thinks of a very intelligent counter-strategy only known by very experienced Captains*

"Look, behind you - a threeheaded monkey!" *runs off*

:: watches gleefully as he trips and falls ::